• 65 years old knocked off his bicycle by three kids. Results? One dead, one wounded, one in jail
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Obviously the kids didn't 'deserve' what they got and the man shouldn't be praised (those suggesting otherwise and rating this winner are idiots), but at the same time the man shouldn't be treated like a murderer for this (although I don't think he should be let off with a pat on the back). Groups of teens attacking someone and killing them isn't a far-fetched scenario at all, and it's understandable how he would've panicked. It's just an unavoidable consequence of telling individuals they can use lethal force as they please if they feel their life is in danger. Problem is that individuals aren't always rational and reasonable, especially in situations such as this.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38169000]i'm happy that he's ok[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Bobie;38167668]why the fuck are you guys praising a child killer lol[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bobie;38169000]because it was irrelevant as i had already addressed it. i was wrong in some points yes such as the kid running towards him, but i still don't see why he didn't attempt to make a threat with the gun first, or why he decided to aim at all 3 instead of just one. [B]i don't know about you, but if my friend was dead on the floor i'd run like fuck, not attempt to take his wallet.[/B] and no, i'm not on the side of the teenagers like you all think i am, i'm happy that he's ok but it could have been done without any deaths.[/QUOTE] There's a flaw in that logic and the flaw is that you weren't there.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38169026][/QUOTE] the two are unrelated. he's a killer regardless of how you put it. and there should be no praise for his actions.
[QUOTE=Rapist;38167738]Fucking hell. You don't kill people for pushing you off a bike.[/QUOTE] I didn't realize you are an old man and not a young and healthy who can recover faster and have better reflexes and more endurance
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38169026]a[/QUOTE] those two quotes aren't even close to contradicting each other, better luck next time
[QUOTE=Bobie;38169043]the two are unrelated. he's a killer regardless of how you put it. and there should be no praise for his actions.[/QUOTE] Your flip flops and backpedaling would make Romney proud.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38169000] and no, i'm not on the side of the teenagers like you all think i am, i'm happy that he's ok but it could have been done without any deaths.[/QUOTE] Then you should've presented your opinion better instead of making ~edgy~ comments because this is pretty much what everyone thinks (excluding the 'deserved it' idiots of course). And maybe calm down a little bit. I know this is the internet and all but some [I]do[/I] appreciate an intelligent discussion.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38169000]because it was irrelevant as i had already addressed it. i was wrong in some points yes such as the kid running towards him, but i still don't see why he didn't attempt to make a threat with the gun first, or why he decided to aim at all 3 instead of just one. i don't know about you, but if my friend was dead on the floor i'd run like fuck, not attempt to take his wallet. [/QUOTE] When someone is rushing you from a couple feet away, you really don't have time to threaten them.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38169061]Your flip flops and backpedaling would make Romney proud.[/QUOTE] ok let's analyse this quote [quote]why the fuck are you guys praising a child killer lol[/quote] here i have presented a rhetorical question, in the format which depicts that i do not agree with praising a man who has killed a child. this does not relate to 'im happy that he's ok' because i have not presented anything in the previous quote that would contradict that. just because i don't think he's worthy of praise for his actions here does not mean that i wish he were dead, this is an exaggeration you have created and it only serves as a strawman argument.
And all three of them where assaulting him. He didn't have time to asses his situation after each shot.
I really wish I could be as cool as some of the people here. Honestly if anyone reads the article on what and how it happened I would be dazed and confused, most likely acting in a similar manner. I would probably not think, "gee my gun that I am using for protection could hurt someone, even though I was just attacked by a number of people, assaulted, and might be armed. I better try to think this situation out and think logically about it, seeing how my attackers are not using it they will marvel at my wisdom, thus leading to a peaceful resolution" You guys are the true hero's.
Is Bobie Dori's secret disguise or something?
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;38169165]Is Bobie Dori's secret disguise or something?[/QUOTE] Did Dori get banned or something? I forgot all about him.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38169116]ok let's analyse this quote here i have presented a rhetorical question, in the format which depicts that i do not agree with praising a man who has killed a child. this does not relate to 'im happy that he's ok' because i have not presented anything in the previous quote that would contradict that. just because i don't think he's worthy of praise for his actions here does not mean that i wish he were dead, this is an exaggeration you have created and it only serves as a strawman argument.[/QUOTE] Dude wtf, I fucking hope you are trolling. You're NOT debating, you already used sarcasm, ad hominems and strawman arguments to the degree that you can't call any of your posts any kind of debating. Your main argument here is that the teen was only running at the old man. Ok let's imagine: You are 65 years old. Moments ago you were casually biking along, the next moment some teen runs up and punches you in the face. You shoot him, and his friend who is running towards you despite your gun. Now do you: A) Assume he is coming to harm you, or B) Assume he will come to you and shake your hand and say he's sorry?
[QUOTE=Croix;38169188]Dude wtf, I fucking hope you are trolling. You're NOT debating, you already used sarcasm, ad hominems and strawman arguments to the degree that you can't call any of your posts any kind of debating. Your main argument here is that the teen was only running at the old man. Ok let's imagine: You are 65 years old. Moments ago you were casually biking along, the next moment some teen runs up and punches you in the face. You shoot him, and his friend who is running towards you despite your gun. Now do you: A) Assume he is coming to harm you, or B) Assume he will come to you and shake your hand and say he's sorry?[/QUOTE] where did you get the idea that they carried on after he got his gun out?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38169026]snip[/QUOTE] How does being happy that the man didn't get hurt himself go against saying that him killing young teens shouldn't be celebrated? On a side note, I believe a good general rule is that firearms should always be used first and foremost as deterrents before actually being used to impart lethal force.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38169217]where did you get the idea that they carried on after he got his gun out?[/QUOTE] You just skipped over his main argument. 10/10 good arguing skills you would win a medal.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38169217]where did you get the idea that they carried on after he got his gun out?[/QUOTE] He was being rushed at, the whole thing probably happen in a second or two.
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;38169250]You just skipped over his main argument. 10/10 good arguing skills you would win a medal.[/QUOTE] it's a major factor in the argument. if the kids were to stop after the gun was drawn, then it would change everything lol. however, that information is unknown and therefore impossible to assume or determine and i haven't insulted anyone...
[QUOTE=RobbL;38169226]On a side note, I believe a good general rule is that firearms should always be used first and foremost as deterrents before actually being used to impart lethal force.[/QUOTE] Problem is, you need distance between you and your attacker if this can be considered safe and effective.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38169276]it's a major factor in the argument. if the kids were to stop after the gun was drawn, then it would change everything lol. however, that information is unknown and therefore impossible to assume or determine[/QUOTE] [quote]As one of the teens ran toward the man, he shot Johnson and the 15-year-old.[/quote]
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;38169303][/QUOTE] that doesn't prove that they carried on after he got his gun out. you're just making assumptions and filling in the gaps for your own argument.
While I am saddened the result was death, the shooting is justified due to self defense. I am going to abandon thread now before I get seared by the fury of the gun debate.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38169328]that doesn't prove that they carried on after he got his gun out. you're just making assumptions and filling in the gaps for your own argument.[/QUOTE] [quote] [B]As one of the teens ran toward the man[/B], he shot Johnson and the 15-year-old.[/quote] That by every definition means he was actively attacking after the gun was pulled.
[QUOTE=Bobie;38169328]you're just making assumptions and filling in the gaps for your own argument.[/QUOTE] So are you.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;38169299]Problem is, you need distance between you and your attacker if this can be considered safe and effective.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's just a general rule I believe in, but it's dangerous to society as a whole if people always go into situations with a trigger-happy, "shoot first, ask questions later" mindset
[QUOTE=Bobie;38169328]that doesn't prove that they carried on after he got his gun out. you're just making assumptions and filling in the gaps for your own argument.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but when people are attacking you, especially when you're 65, the last thing you're going to do it pull out your gun and hope they might stop attacking you. A lot of old people die in attacks like this since they're much weaker than the average person and can't take it. If the police have already determined it was justified I see no problem with what the old guy did.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;38169365]That by every definition means he was shot after the gun was pulled.[/QUOTE] You mean that the kid was running toward him even after he had pulled out the gun. [editline]24th October 2012[/editline] Oh, yeah and that the other kid had been shot.
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