Israel PM tries to put blame of Holocaust on Palestinians, claims Hitler only wanted to expel Jews
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[QUOTE=Falstad007;48953423]Did you read the article at all?
Bibi isn't saying that the Nazi's had no hand and / or didn't commit the holocaust, rather he's saying that a man from the Palestinian region helped convince Hitler to round up and exterminate the Jews rather then expel them.[/QUOTE]
Which is blatantly false. The idea the nazis were still contemplating deportation is bullshit. The quote is dated from November 1941, the Nazis and the einsatzgruppen in particular were already massacring Jews, communists, and slavs with Eastern European collaborators. Hitler promised such should Britain and France declare war.
After all, by November one of the worst massacres of the holocaust, Babi Yar, already happened.
This is like saying German Zionists and the founder of Zionism stoked anti-Semitism by agreeing Jews don't belong in a non-Jewish society, pressing for the shipping of Jews to Palestine, and suggesting that anti-Semitism was a natural response. In the 1930s I don't think there were many non-socialists, jewish or otherwise, that didn't believe there was a Jewish question (or problem)
[QUOTE=Conscript;48953462]Which is blatantly false. The idea the nazis were still contemplating deportation is bullshit. The quote is dated from November 1941, the Nazis and the einsatzgruppen in particular were already massacring Jews, communists, and slavs with Eastern European collaborators. Hitler promised such should Britain and France declare war.
After all, by November one of the worst massacres of the holocaust, Babi Yar, already happened.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't questioning that point, rather pointing out that Deathtrooper seems to think the article is about the Palestinians carrying out the holocaust instead of the Nazis.
Was just wondering if he even bothered to read the article or just looked at the headline was all.
[QUOTE=Conscript;48953369]Even his examples serve to underscore how divided 'Palestine' was. Black September denied any ties to the PLO, and Hamas was encouraged to take power by Israel to counter the communists (using Islamists in such a way is an old strategy).[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_Organization"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_Organization[/URL]
Black September was affiliated with Fatah which is part of the PLO.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;48953592][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_Organization"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September_Organization[/URL]
Black September was affiliated with Fatah which is part of the PLO.[/QUOTE]
Right from your link bro
[Quote]There is disagreement among historians, journalists, and primary sources about the nature of the BSO and the extent to which it was controlled by•Fatah, the•PLO•faction controlled at the time by•Yasser Arafat.
In his book•Stateless, Salah Khalaf (Abu Iyad), Arafat's chief of security and a founding member of Fatah, wrote that: "Black September was not a terrorist organization, but was rather an auxiliary unit of the resistance movement, at a time when the latter was unable to fully realize its military and political potential. The members of the organization always denied any ties between their organization and Fatah or the PLO."[/quote]
Besides, the PLO is an amalgam of organizations of various political stripes only united by one thing, again undermining the credibility of your 'visible leader' stuff in light of the fact that Israel in contrast is a consolidated state.
[QUOTE=Conscript;48953626]Right from your link bro
Besides, the PLO is an amalgam of organizations of various political stripes only united by one thing, again undermining the credibility of your 'visible leader' stuff in light of the fact that Israel in contrast is a consolidated state.[/QUOTE]
Right after your quote
[QUOTE]The denial described in Abu Iyad's claim was mutual: according to a 1972 article in the Jordanian newspaper Al-Dustur, Mohammed Daoud Oudeh, also known as Abu Daoud, a BSO operative and former senior PLO member, told Jordanian police: "There is no such organization as Black September. Fatah announces its own operations under this name so that Fatah will not appear as the direct executor of the operation." A March 1973 document released in 1981 by the U.S. State Department seemed to confirm that Fatah was Black September's parent organization.[/QUOTE]
There is actually a big faction of jews that used to support Hitler as Hitler promoted zionism.
Actually a lot of jews supported Hitler's party on it's rise to power. Hitler supported israeli jews because they were oponents of Britain. Later, with concentration camps set up and all that, many jews continued to believe Hitler's antisemitism was only a rumor.
Netanyahu more like Nut-and-yahoo
Israel deserves a better leader
[QUOTE=Svinnik;48953662]Right after your quote[/QUOTE]
Which means it's still contested, as the wiki says. Again, you're clinging to the closest thing you can find to an Israeli PM, but there really isn't any. Its a false equivalency to compare a western-blessed state with a bunch of non-state actors.
Nobody commented on this yet, but you have to give props to Germany for responding so quickly after Bibi's remark. A lot of countries don't like admitting to historical wrong-doing, Germany seems like the only one that owns it.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;48953233]Meanwhile, the visible political leader of the PLO funded the Munich massacre
[URL="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2003/07/did_mahmoud_abbas_finance_the_1972_munich_olympic_takeover.html"]http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2003/07/did_mahmoud_abbas_finance_the_1972_munich_olympic_takeover.html[/URL]
While the visible leader of Hamas is a terrorist[/QUOTE]
All the evidence for that sits on the account of a single person who isn't even alive anymore, you've conveniently left out the part where said person also mentioned that he wouldn't have known what his money was used for.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;48953289]Because Israel and Palestine are on even footing diplomatically and on a statehood level, right?
Oh wait, massive amounts of occupation and invasive settlements. Sure, let's still compare them like we're comparing apples to apples. k.[/QUOTE]
and when we make fair comparisons, we would see that pre-Israel, many Jewish leaders were terrorists. Even after the establishment of the state, present and future Israeli leaders planned or committed terrorist acts. A notable example being David Ben Gurion's (1st PM) and Sharon's (11th PM) planning/carrying out of the Qibya massacre.
[QUOTE=Conscript;48952472]Palestine isn't a united entity unlike the state of Israel, which incidentally the West stakes its liberal democratic reputation on. It's a bunch of fractured politically diverse groups, often with rival patrons, with no real unitary state.
The Israel PR victim mentality never really goes away, does it?[/QUOTE]
And yet somehow this fractured not-a-state was responsible for the holocaust?
Of course there is always conflict in Israel. The people there must hate peace. After all, why would they elect a guy like this as the fucking PM.
[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;48952503]this is the kind of stuff you'd expect to come from stormfront[/QUOTE]
I have a feeling Lamar has a Stormfront account.
I knew Netanyahu was crazy but this confirms he is absolutely bonkers
Claiming Hitler's innocence in any way just seems like a bad idea if you are leading a [I]state formed for Jews after the holocaust[/I]
Like how is this not causing riots (or is it, i've only read this thread because i am a lazy shit)
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;48954810]I have a feeling Lamar has a Stormfront account.[/QUOTE]
Any criticism of Israel and you're a white nationalist/Neo-Nazi?
Thats absurd.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48954877]Any criticism of Israel and you're a white nationalist/Neo-Nazi?
Thats absurd.[/QUOTE]
Normally no, but I mean.. look at his post history.
It's literally [i]nothing but[/i] israel threads.
Go Bibi!!
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;48955034]Normally no, but I mean.. look at his post history.
It's literally [i]nothing but[/i] israel threads.[/QUOTE]
The Israeli government appears to be totally nuts. I don't blame him for posting news about daft shit they've said or done recently. It's not anti-Semitic to despise the Israeli government for their actions as an expansionist state that does a piss poor job of hiding it.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;48955562]The Israeli government appears to be totally nuts. I don't blame him for posting news about daft shit they've said or done recently. It's not anti-Semitic to despise the Israeli government for their actions as an expansionist state that does a piss poor job of hiding it.[/QUOTE]
Like 80% of his posts are things random Israeli citizens/settlers do, not the government. His goal is to make Israel look as bad a possible, not attempt rational criticism against the Israeli government.
Also, it's interesting that people keep excusing the palestinians for making insane comments because they aren't a real government... and yet that's exactly what they argue that we should make them. It seems like by saying that the palestinian government can't be held to the same standard as the Israeli government you're, in effect, saying that they aren't ready to be an independant nation.
really, the jewish PM who makes every case about the plight of the jews after the holocaust, is trying to defend [I]the [B]nazis[/B][/I] for the holocaust?
[editline]21st October 2015[/editline]
to make a counter point, yes the nazis didn't initially want to exterminate the jews, they were content kicking them out to other countries, until that started to become an issue with foreign capital and labor pouring out of germany, plus the war sort of closed the boarder between eastern europe and the safer places to run like the US, or South America
[QUOTE=piddlezmcfuz;48954866]I knew Netanyahu was crazy but this confirms he is absolutely bonkers
Claiming Hitler's innocence in any way just seems like a bad idea if you are leading a [I]state formed for Jews after the holocaust[/I]
Like how is this not causing riots (or is it, i've only read this thread because i am a lazy shit)[/QUOTE]
It's not claiming Hitler is innocent of anything. The comment he made is still bloody stupid.
[QUOTE=sgman91;48955622]Like 80% of his posts are things random Israeli citizens/[B]settlers[/B][/QUOTE]
Not seeing why criticizing their actions is bad.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini[/URL]
Wow, the guy he's referring to really is an asshole.
This is obviously rhetoric that he's saying, who knows if he literally meant it, but yeah, the dude he's talking about agreed with gassing millions of people. If you look at the quote that Benny was saying, it's obviously he didn't mean "This guy was the architect of the Holocaust", but a badly worded form of "These fuckers tried to kill us off!"
[QUOTE]Hitler didn’t want to exterminate the Jews at the time; he wanted to expel the Jews. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, ‘If you expel them, they’ll all come here.’ ‘So what should I do with them?’ he asked. He said, ‘Burn them.’[/QUOTE]
Putting into context, this was said in anger.
[QUOTE]“It is absurd. I had no intention to absolve Hitler of responsibility for his diabolical destruction of European Jewry,” he said. “Hitler was responsible for the Final Solution extermination of 6 million Jews. He made the decision.”
However, Netanyahu held firm to his characterization of Husseini: “The mufti was instrumental in the decision to exterminate the Jews. We must not ignore the importance of his role. The mufti repeatedly suggested that the Jews should be exterminated. He considered it an appropriate solution to the Palestinian question.”[/QUOTE]
He's still wrong though, and no matter what, he's distorting the fact that Hitler intended to kill them no matter what this guy said. But it was said out of irrational anger, and the fact that a head of state can't keep his perspective, or keep his anger under control is disturbing.
[QUOTE=Xystus234;48956654][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini[/URL]
Wow, the guy he's referring to really is an asshole.
This is obviously rhetoric that he's saying, who knows if he literally meant it, but yeah, the dude he's talking about agreed with gassing millions of people. If you look at the quote that [B]Benny[/B] was saying, it's obviously he didn't mean "This guy was the architect of the Holocaust", but a badly worded form of "These fuckers tried to kill us off!"
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It's Bibi, not Benny. I think that's slightly worse.
[QUOTE]
Putting into context, this was said in anger.
He's still wrong though, and no matter what, he's distorting the fact that Hitler intended to kill them no matter what this guy said. But it was said out of irrational anger, and the fact that a head of state can't keep his perspective, or keep his anger under control is disturbing.[/QUOTE]
You know what's the worst part? Netanyahu's father is a [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzion_Netanyahu"]famous historian[/URL].
The ironic thing is that Husseini received the least amount of votes from the Palestinian people, yet was still put into office by the British for their own goals.
[QUOTE=Tarver;48952191]Holy fuck Lamar,he's only blaming Amin al-Husseini and you think he's trying to blame all the Palestinians for the Holocaust? you're fucking hilarious dude haha[/QUOTE]
While the article never straight up mentions it, thats what Netanyahu is implying.
He's just indirectly blaming muslims for the holocaust and thusly create hate towards palestinians
[QUOTE=Svinnik;48952343]I don't understand why Palestinian leaders can spout out bullshit just as bad as this and no one cares but when Netanyahu says something retarded, the world loses its mind.
The mufti did support the nazis though[/QUOTE]
Because Netanyahu is an actual head of state where as Palestine isn't even a fully recognized country and doesn't have defined leadership.
It may also be because it is hypocritical to hide behind the Holocaust yet Netanyahu's extremely racist policies directly mirror many Nazi policies.
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