• Windows XP at risk as antivirus vendors jump ship
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[QUOTE=Corey_Faure;40516961]I had a feeling the general consensus would be that this was a good thing when I came into this thread. It may be a good thing for the advancement of the PC, but it kind of brings me down as an individual XP user. I can't upgrade past XP on my old laptop, and I can't afford a new laptop anytime within the next 2-3 years. Oh well. I can only hope Malwarebytes and Avira stick around XP for just a bit longer. At least I have 7 on my desktop.[/QUOTE] I would give Linux Mint a try. 700 MB are being used on this nearly 7 year old Core2Duo laptop. But that may be because I have 3 GB of RAM on it and Firefox has a bazillion tabs in it. Like 400 MB is going to Firefox. And I have lots of other little services in the background.
[QUOTE=borisvdb;40511014]Oh no! Protect the seven people that still use it![/QUOTE] It was a joke. Grow a sense of humor.
[QUOTE=theaceattourney;40519505]The computer I am currently using has Windows XP and 256 megabytes of ram. I can run everything in my steam library with little to no lag or graphical issues. Come at me.[/QUOTE] What sourcery is this?
[QUOTE=theaceattourney;40519505]The computer I am currently using has Windows XP and 256 megabytes of ram. I can run everything in my steam library with little to no lag or graphical issues. Come at me.[/QUOTE] Civ 5 with 256 mb of ram. Sounds legit.
whoever wrote that article is a fucking cunt
I favor 7 due to security. No more viruses and malware sneaking their way onto the computer, at least without a dumbass hittting "yes" to install it lol.
[QUOTE=Metalcastr;40519758]I favor 7 due to security. No more viruses and malware sneaking their way onto the computer, at least without a dumbass hittting "yes" to install it lol.[/QUOTE] well not always. malware isnt as easy as that. exploits will happen and so will many other things like driveby malware and the like.
[QUOTE=Metalcastr;40519758]I favor 7 due to security. No more viruses and malware sneaking their way onto the computer, at least without a dumbass hittting "yes" to install it lol.[/QUOTE] Not all malicious programs are trojans. Like if somehow some malware made its way onto these forums, there is some exploit in Firefox, and the malware also used a Windows 7 exploit to bypass UAC. Provided it was designed to be stealthy, you would never even know it existed.
[QUOTE=Demache;40520155]Not all malicious programs are trojans. Like if somehow some malware made its way onto these forums, there is some exploit in Firefox, and the malware also used a Windows 7 exploit to bypass UAC. Provided it was designed to be stealthy, you would never even know it existed.[/QUOTE] there was a few years back actually, there was a keylogger on here.
I can't believe so many people who use computers on a daily basis are stuck with this mentality of "if it's not broken don't fix it". How can society expect to get any better if people are constantly thinking like this. Change is good. Even in a corporate atmosphere, how can you expect to keep your business alive 10+ years if you don't foresee your computer infrastructure becoming obsolete? What's the point in basing your entire business around a set of software that isn't being constantly upgraded for the ever changing computer industry?
[QUOTE=reedbo;40520365]I can't believe so many people who use computers on a daily basis are stuck with this mentality of "if it's not broken don't fix it". How can society expect to get any better if people are constantly thinking like this. Change is good. [B]Even in a corporate atmosphere, how can you expect to keep your business alive 10+ years if you don't foresee your computer infrastructure becoming obsolete?[/B] What's the point in basing your entire business around a set of software that isn't being constantly upgraded for the ever changing computer industry?[/QUOTE] My father works for the Florida Park System. They're still stuck with PCs with Windows XP because of software compatibility and no budgeting toward newer systems. Same thing with many schools. It really sucks that they can't/won't upgrade their OS or advance their technology.
[QUOTE=reedbo;40520365]I can't believe so many people who use computers on a daily basis are stuck with this mentality of "if it's not broken don't fix it". How can society expect to get any better if people are constantly thinking like this. Change is good. Even in a corporate atmosphere, how can you expect to keep your business alive 10+ years if you don't foresee your computer infrastructure becoming obsolete? What's the point in basing your entire business around a set of software that isn't being constantly upgraded for the ever changing computer industry?[/QUOTE] There are some cases where "if its not broken, don't fix it" works. Messing with core equipment in critical company infastrucuture for little issues but requires the five nines of uptime would probably fall under that. However, I wouldn't apply that to 12 year old OS software that's on its deathbed. Quite frankly, its going to [I]become[/I] broken. Inherent limitations of foresight in 2001 (mainly being that its 32 bit, 64 isn't worth mentioning), and bugs will stop being patched. Meaning there will be an exploit that literally becomes unpatchable because MS won't fix it. And naturally people will stop developing for it. I would put that in the category of broken.
[QUOTE=bohb;40512065]There are two levels of security: 1) The local machine. 2) The network that the machine resides on. You can have a group of machines that have more vulnerabilities than swiss cheese has holes, but if you have a strong network security policy and proper access control on the network perimeters to the WAN (firewalls, packet filters,web filters, email filters, etc.) then you'll be fine in most cases. Securing the network around insecure machines is far cheaper than spending thousands of dollars on new software. And just because software is newer, doesn't mean that it's any more secure.[/QUOTE] It's a good job portable computers which are taken outside of a controlled network environment don't exist, right?
sitting here on my mothers computer. Windows XP Pro, 1.25GB ram, a 1.6GHz AMD Sempron and Office 2003. Can this seriously run W7? So, let's look at it logically. For her to jump ship, she [B]needs [/B]a new computer. It's going to have to last a long time as well, so lets say £400?. That will get her an i5, a few gig of ram and a decent sized hard drive. She will need Windows 7 over 8 since the change from XP to 7 is drastic enough, let along dropping the start menu completely. That is [I]potentially[/I] £70 or so. Then we need to buy a new copy of Office 2010, so that is £100 gone. So, overall this is around £500 of unnecessary and painful upgrades for a person who hates change from what they know. Not to mention I'll have to move over her 5 or 6GB Outlook mailbox. Maybe I'll just give her my old Mac?
[QUOTE=borisvdb;40511014]Oh no! Protect the [B]millions[/B] of people that still use it![/QUOTE] You forgot that 90% of Eastern Europe uses XP
[QUOTE=viperfan7;40514080]try it out, I think you'll be surprised [/QUOTE] I did try it, I use an external wireless adapter and it required dicking around in the command line interface and I just got overwhelmed and gave up. [QUOTE=The Baconator;40514282]get Linux Mint. Ubuntu is considered terrible and hard to use despite what Canonical may say or promote[/QUOTE] I'll definitely check it out next time my computer shits itself, thanks.
[QUOTE=IPK;40523756]You forgot that 90% of Eastern Europe uses XP[/QUOTE] Please. Even Russians, despite their absolute love for XP, slowly moving to 7. Even my mother who doesn't know shit about PCs having 8 on her shitty laptop.
[QUOTE=cueballv2themax;40523319]sitting here on my mothers computer. Windows XP Pro, 1.25GB ram, a 1.6GHz AMD Sempron and Office 2003. Can this seriously run W7? So, let's look at it logically. For her to jump ship, she [B]needs [/B]a new computer. It's going to have to last a long time as well, so lets say £400?. That will get her an i5, a few gig of ram and a decent sized hard drive. She will need Windows 7 over 8 since the change from XP to 7 is drastic enough, let along dropping the start menu completely. That is [I]potentially[/I] £70 or so. Then we need to buy a new copy of Office 2010, so that is £100 gone. So, overall this is around £500 of unnecessary and painful upgrades for a person who hates change from what they know. Not to mention I'll have to move over her 5 or 6GB Outlook mailbox. Maybe I'll just give her my old Mac?[/QUOTE] Eh, you dont need to get her a new copy of office really. just run a belarc report to get the key off the computer if you dont have it already, then reinstall it on windows 7.
[img]http://nerdnirvana.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/common-sense.jpg[/img] This is the only "antivirus" you'll ever need. If that doesnt work use malwarebytes antimalware
I bet people who are still defending XP as being the best OS will claim that Microsoft is now bribing Anti virus companies. Just like they did with videogame developers. :downs:
[QUOTE=cueballv2themax;40523319]sitting here on my mothers computer. Windows XP Pro, 1.25GB ram, a 1.6GHz AMD Sempron and Office 2003. Can this seriously run W7? So, let's look at it logically. For her to jump ship, she [B]needs [/B]a new computer. It's going to have to last a long time as well, so lets say £400?. That will get her an i5, a few gig of ram and a decent sized hard drive. She will need Windows 7 over 8 since the change from XP to 7 is drastic enough, let along dropping the start menu completely. That is [I]potentially[/I] £70 or so. Then we need to buy a new copy of Office 2010, so that is £100 gone. So, overall this is around £500 of unnecessary and painful upgrades for a person who hates change from what they know. Not to mention I'll have to move over her 5 or 6GB Outlook mailbox. Maybe I'll just give her my old Mac?[/QUOTE] Or you know, don't get her an i5. Just about any modern budget PC can run windows 7. Hell that thing can probably run windows 7 with a RAM upgrade. Like someone said before, pull the office serial off the machine and re-install office 2003 on the new machine. Just about any dual-core CPU runs windows 7 perfectly fine, it'll be even cheaper if you don't buy an Intel processor.
Using XP is like fucking a $2 whore without a condom.
winXP for lyfe
[QUOTE=reedbo;40524917]Or you know, don't get her an i5. Just about any modern budget PC can run windows 7. Hell that thing can probably run windows 7 with a RAM upgrade. Like someone said before, pull the office serial off the machine and re-install office 2003 on the new machine. Just about any dual-core CPU runs windows 7 perfectly fine, it'll be even cheaper if you don't buy an Intel processor.[/QUOTE] read that 2003 was incompatable with 7, will need to check that out. it's more ensuring the machine will last the next 5+ years, and from the way resource usage has increased from purely web browsing i want to make sure it's future proof.
[QUOTE=prooboo;40524526][img]http://nerdnirvana.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/common-sense.jpg[/img] This is the only "antivirus" you'll ever need. If that doesnt work use malwarebytes antimalware[/QUOTE] If you can't even check to see if a domain blocks hotlinking how can you possibly be trusted to keep viruses off your PC? "It works for me!" in 3...2...
2003 is compatible with 7. I use bits and pieces from it for coursework
[QUOTE=reedbo;40520365]I can't believe so many people who use computers on a daily basis are stuck with this mentality of "if it's not broken don't fix it". How can society expect to get any better if people are constantly thinking like this. Change is good. Even in a corporate atmosphere, how can you expect to keep your business alive 10+ years if you don't foresee your computer infrastructure becoming obsolete? What's the point in basing your entire business around a set of software that isn't being constantly upgraded for the ever changing computer industry?[/QUOTE] tell that to all the people opposed to win8
Once again I ask, does this mean I need to upgrade my parents computer finally?
I'm using Vista [IMG]http://3dmm.com/images/smilies/frown.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=theaceattourney;40519505]The computer I am currently using has Windows XP and 256 megabytes of ram. I can run everything in my steam library with little to no lag or graphical issues. Come at me.[/QUOTE] 0.0 hours
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