George Zimmerman photographed with bloody head after shooting Travyon Martin (Somewhat Graphic)
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[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;35648469]Not all policemen are racist, biased, cunts. [/QUOTE]
but a whole lot of them are. i don't know if you're aware, but the police in america have a really bad track record with non-white people
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;35648469]And I think his point was that the media wouldn't be in an uproar right now if it was a white teenager that got shot.[/QUOTE]
because if Trayvon was white there's a really good chance that the police wouldnt have let zimmerman go so easily. I literally just said that, jesus
This whole thing is a big stupid Shakespearean Tragedy. Zimmerman is a paranoid guy who acts as neighborhood watch to boost his self esteem and confidence. One day, he sees Trayvon walking around and being the idiot he is get's the vision of him being on drugs. So, he calls the cops and describes the person on drugs he thinks is black. He then follows Trayvon describing everything to the dispatcher, who then says hey stop fucking following him. Zimmerman keeps going for a bit then turns and walks away. On his way back to the car, obviously no longer following him, is actually confronted by Trayvon. Words are exchanged, and a witness claims to see Trayvon attack Zimmerman and slam his head into the ground, now backed up by visual evidence. Zimmerman than stands up and shoots Trayvon, the supposed druggie who just slammed his head into the ground. One everything is said and done, he complies with police every step even now.
Good luck on that 2nd Degree Murder conviction, because as I see it; due to the nature of the stand your ground law, Zimmerman was retreating and then standing firm when he was actually attacked. I think the judge is going to point out that Trayvon didn't flee but in fact turned and pursued his previous pursuer, then attacked.
I think Zimmerman should [i]feel[/i] guilty for what he had done, but I don't think he commited a crime based on what happened, and that this is all just a tragedy regarding the unnecessary loss of a youth.
With all the contradicting information about, I think Zimmerman should have been arrested. Holding a trial will at least clear a lot of this up. Let the court decide his fate. Guilty or not guilty, we'll get some closure and hopefully they'll get the facts straight.
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;35650037]This whole thing is a big stupid Shakespearean Tragedy. Zimmerman is a paranoid guy who acts as neighborhood watch to boost his self esteem and confidence. One day, he sees Trayvon walking around and being the idiot he is get's the vision of him being on drugs. So, he calls the cops and describes the person on drugs he thinks is black. He then follows Trayvon describing everything to the dispatcher, who then says hey stop fucking following him. Zimmerman keeps going for a bit then turns and walks away. On his way back to the car, obviously no longer following him, is actually confronted by Trayvon. Words are exchanged, and a witness claims to see Trayvon attack Zimmerman and slam his head into the ground, now backed up by visual evidence. Zimmerman than stands up and shoots Trayvon, the supposed druggie who just slammed his head into the ground. One everything is said and done, he complies with police every step even now.
Good luck on that 2nd Degree Murder conviction, because as I see it; due to the nature of the stand your ground law, Zimmerman was retreating and then standing firm when he was actually attacked. I think the judge is going to point out that Trayvon didn't flee but in fact turned and pursued his previous pursuer, then attacked.
I think Zimmerman should [i]feel[/i] guilty for what he had done, but I don't think he commited a crime based on what happened, and that this is all just a tragedy regarding the unnecessary loss of a youth.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your breakdown of the situation, except for one thing...
[quote]So, he calls the cops and describes the person on drugs he thinks is black.[/quote]
Zimmerman never claimed to think Trayvon was on drugs. And he only said the kid was black after the 911 operator asked him the skin color.
It could very well be that it isn't his own blood either. I can't see any wounds.
Either way, I'm not going to jump to any conclusions. I'll see how it plays out.
Zimmerman's or Martin's innocence is not the issue here though, the issue is the failure of the American justice system.
Had people and the media not gotten involved, Zimmerman likely never would have gone to trial. The long, brutal track record of the American justice system with regards to virtually all minorities in this country; the long history of disproportionate incarceration and execution of people of color, of poor police protection in areas populated by minorities, of similar police inaction with regards to the deaths of other people of color and police brutality against people of color all lead me to think that maybe, just maybe, the decision of the Sanford Police Department to release Zimmerman without arrest was based on the race of the person he shot.
That's why this case is such a big deal; it is emblematic of a long history of the failure of the American legal system's failure to do justice to America's minority populations. All of the media's hand-wringing about whether or not Zimmerman was justified in shooting Martin just goes to show that people wicked fucking don't get it.
What's so fucking special about this case?
It's just another case of racism.
[QUOTE=znk666;35651270]What's so fucking special about this case?
It's just another case of racism.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't even that till the media got a hold of it.
[QUOTE=znk666;35651270]What's so fucking special about this case?
It's just another case of racism.[/QUOTE]
The case has nothing to do with race.
[QUOTE=znk666;35651270]What's so fucking special about this case?
It's just another case of racism.[/QUOTE]
the post above yours
[QUOTE=Noble;35648098]Or maybe they just wiped the blood off at that time?[/QUOTE]
That doesn't look like blood.
[QUOTE=znk666;35651270]What's so fucking special about this case?
It's just another case of racism.[/QUOTE]
hey dogg, I literally posted what was so special about the case right above you. why don't you stop, like, posting for the sake of posting even when the only purpose of any of your posts is acknowledge yr. own lack of knowledge and ask questions that have already been answered because that's a really good way to not get things done
[editline]20th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=-nesto-;35651326]The case has nothing to do with race.[/QUOTE]
(except for the part of it that has to do with race)
That's a cutting wound, you can clearly tell the delimitation of it, and it doesn't look deep enough to suggest a blade was involved. Seems to be what, two, three inches wide. Considering there was no concussion you can assume it was not caused by a rock or blunt weapon with a hard edge.
Cuts like this COULD be caused by the knuckles scraping against skin, so it is possible that Treyvon hit him. Now all that's left to see? Treyvon's body. Honestly, the photographer took a shot of the back of Zimmerman's head but not the body? It isn't because it's evidence, 'cause this is clearly evidence too.
Also why is the blood dripping sideways?
[QUOTE=Big Bang;35651427]That's a cutting wound, you can clearly tell the delimitation of it, and it doesn't look deep enough to suggest a blade was involved. Seems to be what, two, three inches wide. Considering there was no concussion you can assume it was not caused by a rock or blunt weapon with a hard edge.
Cuts like this COULD be caused by the knuckles scraping against skin, so it is possible that Treyvon hit him. Now all that's left to see? Treyvon's body. Honestly, the photographer took a shot of the back of Zimmerman's head but not the body? It isn't because it's evidence, 'cause this is clearly evidence too.[/QUOTE]
it's already been established at this point that martin was on top of zimmerman banging his head into the ground, not that that brings any resolution to the issue though
i'm seriously surprised that after at least 3 threads people are still arguing with and missing sigma's point, the entire issue isn't about whether or not zimmerman was justified, it's about how flimsily this case was handled and why, and the fact that because of how badly this case was handled, even if martin WAS completely innocent zimmerman could have gotten away with it, had the media not hyped this up and turned the case into a huge deal where the police had no choice but to investigate and do their job.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;35651495]it's already been established at this point that martin was on top of zimmerman banging his head into the ground, not that that brings any resolution to the issue though
i'm seriously surprised that after at least 3 threads people are still arguing with and missing sigma's point, the entire issue isn't about whether or not zimmerman was justified, it's about how flimsily this case was handled and why, and the fact that because of how badly this case was handled, even if martin WAS completely innocent zimmerman could have gotten away with it, had the media not hyped this up and turned the case into a huge deal where the police had no choice but to investigate and do their job.[/QUOTE]As someone pointed out, these appear to be different wounds from the ones previously shown. Its still debated whether or not Martin actually attacked Zimmerman.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;35651495]it's already been established at this point that martin was on top of zimmerman banging his head into the ground, not that that brings any resolution to the issue though
i'm seriously surprised that after at least 3 threads people are still arguing with and missing sigma's point, the entire issue isn't about whether or not zimmerman was justified, it's about how flimsily this case was handled and why, and the fact that because of how badly this case was handled, even if martin WAS completely innocent zimmerman could have gotten away with it, had the media not hyped this up and turned the case into a huge deal where the police had no choice but to investigate and do their job.[/QUOTE]
Uh...Because if Martin was entirely innocent and he was killed that means Zimmerman killed an innocent kid, and therefore shouldn't walk off free? That's the reason there was a big fucking deal about this, the police didn't even bother arrest him first due to some pretty lax interpretation of Florida's law, regardless of how Martin didn't have a weapon, a criminal history or a justified cause of aggression?
If trayvon actually attacked him, then there was a whole 30 seconds afterwards where he was begging zimmerman for his life. We heard the recording, it was proved to be trayvon. it doesnt make sense.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;35651708]If trayvon actually attacked him, then there was a whole 30 seconds afterwards where he was begging zimmerman for his life. We heard the recording, it was proved to be trayvon. it doesnt make sense.[/QUOTE]
No it wasn't.
Our sound professor actually took a look at the audio, and showed that frequencies were so muddled together by the phone's shitty recording equipment that pulling anything from it was impossible and inconclusive.
There's also the fact that its a fucking phone, it doesn't have the same ability to remove noise that good recording equipment does.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;35651596]Uh...Because if Martin was entirely innocent and he was killed that means Zimmerman killed an innocent kid, and therefore shouldn't walk off free? That's the reason there was a big fucking deal about this, the police didn't even bother arrest him first due to some pretty lax interpretation of Florida's law, regardless of how Martin didn't have a weapon, a criminal history or a justified cause of aggression?[/QUOTE]
that's what i just said..
[editline]20th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;35651755]No it wasn't.
Our sound professor actually took a look at the audio, and showed that frequencies were so muddled together by the phone's shitty recording equipment that pulling anything from it was impossible and inconclusive.
There's also the fact that its a fucking phone, it doesn't have the same ability to remove noise that good recording equipment does.[/QUOTE]
i'm glad your professor had fun playing with it for an hour in class but until he provides that data to someone that matters we're going to stick with what has been established so far by other audio engineers
[QUOTE=VengfulSoldier;35651755]No it wasn't.
Our sound professor actually took a look at the audio, and showed that frequencies were so muddled together by the phone's shitty recording equipment that pulling anything from it was impossible and inconclusive.
There's also the fact that its a fucking phone, it doesn't have the same ability to remove noise that good recording equipment does.[/QUOTE]
Well we won't know for sure who it was screaming then, but why would a man carrying a pistol that is being attacked yell for help instead of just pulling out his pistol? In the 30 seconds we hear in the recording don't you think he would have had the chance to deploy his pistol?
That is the one bit of evidence that doesn't add up and we know it wasn't tampered with, shitty as it is it is all we rely on because everything else is he said she said crap. This photo is the only thing that suggests Zimmerman was attacked but it is not for sure what happened to give him those injuries.
I don't like to get involved with this whole Trayvon case but something doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I have gone through all the evidence released so far and some of it points to Zimmerman and some to Trayvon.
I think like others are saying the justice system is at fault here. The evidence might have been there when it happened and now it is all gone..
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;35648469]Not all policemen are racist, biased, cunts. And I think his point was that the media wouldn't be in an uproar right now if it was a white teenager that got shot.[/QUOTE]
Not every policeman is a rampaging KKK member no, but there is a degree of institutional racism lurking around this case, at the very least. Remember that shit like this happens all the fucking time, this particular case just happened to get on the news.
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;35651385]hey dogg, I literally posted what was so special about the case right above you. why don't you stop, like, posting for the sake of posting even when the only purpose of any of your posts is acknowledge yr. own lack of knowledge and ask questions that have already been answered because that's a really good way to not get things done
[editline]20th April 2012[/editline]
(except for the part of it that has to do with race)[/QUOTE]
Except Zimmerman isn't white
[QUOTE=Ericson666;35652134]Except Zimmerman isn't white[/QUOTE]
that wasn't even close to his point
[QUOTE=Kopimi;35651820]that's what i just said..
[editline]20th April 2012[/editline]
i'm glad your professor had fun playing with it for an hour in class but until he provides that data to someone that matters we're going to stick with what has been established so far by other audio engineers[/QUOTE]
He actually spent a week on it, with the other professors who handle the Audio Engineering classes at my university.
So about 3 of them. However, you're correct they didn't post the findings, they were just showing us in the class how difficult it can be to clean up crappily recorded sounds.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;35651708]If trayvon actually attacked him, then there was a whole 30 seconds afterwards where he was begging zimmerman for his life. We heard the recording, it was proved to be trayvon. it doesnt make sense.[/QUOTE]
Got a source that it was proved to be Trayvon?
[QUOTE=Noble;35652647]Got a source that it was proved to be Trayvon?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/04/george-zimmerman-not-voice-crying-help-say-audio-experts[/url]
Got proof it was Zimmerman?
[QUOTE=UnknownDude;35651027]It could very well be that it isn't his own blood either. I can't see any wounds.
Either way, I'm not going to jump to any conclusions. I'll see how it plays out.[/QUOTE]
Unless we have an injured mysterious third party, I doubt that. For spatter to hit the back of his head like that, he would need to be facing away from the victim. That spatter isn't accurate with what you'd get from a gunshot wound anyway.
Can we just have a megathread about this? It keeps reappearing in mainstream media like emotes in a 12 year old's sentence.
Damn it there is no point arguing anymore. I get the feeling this will end up in the supreme court.
[QUOTE=Cone;35648451]yeah, and even the people with all the evidence aren't necessarily looking at it fairly[/QUOTE]
Yeah they are. Where do you people come up with this shit? Are you just going to ignore any evidence and the entire trial if it doesn't fit your preconceived viewpoint? You know NOTHING about this case. NOTHING AT ALL. All you have is hearsay from shitty sources that are completely unverifiable. Nobody except the police, prosecutors, and defenders have any evidence that is of value. Stop making up your minds about something that you know nothing of.
[editline]20th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;35648509]Because there hasn't been a case like this with a white teenager.
Because they wouldn't have just let him fucking walk.[/QUOTE]
You are an idiot who doesn't know how the law works. I'm not even going to explain why because I am sure it has already been explained to you why he was not jailed at the time but you ignored it because it doesn't fit with your view of the case.
[editline]20th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=The Baconator;35648850]The reason why this got big was because the police let him go. All those other crimes that are black on black or white on white or black on white? There is due process, aka a trial.
There [I]wasn't[/I] going to be a trial initially for Zimmerman, until there was an uproar from the local black community and other groups.
The media then had to corrupt the information and idiots couldn't think for themselves and now believe it's because society hates light skinned people or some bs.
Realize if you kill someone, even in self defense, the authorities don't just fucking let you go.[/QUOTE]
You're making this up.
[editline]20th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=icantread49;35648975]Something about that photo looks iffy. The pattern of the blood and the direction it's going, something just doesn't look quite right.[/QUOTE]
You are dumb. His head didn't start spontaneously bleeding while he was standing up. According to his story (And this is only what I have heard so far so I am not able to draw a conclusion on this picture, just a possible explanation that isn't completely pulled out of my ass.), his head was injured while he was ON THE GROUND. The blood patterns would not be running downward in a straight line as if he were standing up. Your head is round. Go get a ball and pour dyed water on a side, then turn it over. See what happens. I'll give you a hint, it isn't all going to run down one side is one straight line. It will go multiple directions.
THIS IS ONLY A POSSIBLE EXPLANATION OF THIS PARTICULAR PHOTO.
[QUOTE=Nazereth666;35652686][url]http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/04/george-zimmerman-not-voice-crying-help-say-audio-experts[/url]
Got proof it was Zimmerman?[/QUOTE]
Wait where did I claim that it was proven to be Zimmerman's voice? I was asking for proof that it was confirmed to be Trayvon's voice (this is what the poster I quoted claimed, that it was proven).
That article says it has not been proven to be either Zimmerman's or Trayvon's voice, and on top of that, just how reliable is analysis of the background audio of a low quality phone call recording? If they have no way to prove with absolute certainty whose voice it is, then how exactly is this going to be used as strong evidence in court?
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