[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;32929609]That's funny because you just did exactly that.
Don't you claim you came here to debate when you go "YOU GUYS SUCK ME AND MY BROTHER ARE SOOOOOOO MUCH SMARTER THAN YOU SO I'M LEAVING!" like a whiny child. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.[/QUOTE]
Hmmmmmmmnot done yet.
If one were to look at the way YOU ALONE have been acting, they would have little choice other than to assume you are either a child or someone with little actual debating and social skills. It also looks like you missed the "common courtesy" course in kindergarten. I never said I was smarter than you (hey look you're shoving words in my mouth again!) or even that HE was smarter than you. I said he was more LOGICAL than you and can actually consider someone elses opinion rather than resort to calling them completely wrong on the basis that they are evil or have the audacity to support the opinions that an obviously evil person has.
And if I wasn't looking for a debate, why in the hell did I even post? Theorize that one because i'm incredibly interested in what you come up with.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;32929729]Hmmmmmmmnot done yet.
If one were to look at the way YOU ALONE have been acting, they would have little choice other than to assume you are either a child or someone with little actual debating and social skills. It also looks like you missed the "common courtesy" course in kindergarten. I never said I was smarter than you (hey look you're shoving words in my mouth again!) or even that HE was smarter than you. I said he was more LOGICAL than you and can actually consider someone elses opinion rather than resort to calling them completely wrong on the basis that they are evil or have the audacity to support the opinions that an obviously evil person has.
And if I wasn't looking for a debate, why in the hell did I even post? Theorize that one because i'm incredibly interested in what you come up with.[/QUOTE]
You still here? I thought you left? Put your money where your mouth is.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;32927530]Its an extreme version of a [I]hypothetical situation[/I]... and you are taking it literally?
So these are the kind of people that debate on here about the future? Pfft, fuck that. Its like debating with children on here.
Actually, no, scratch that, i'd rather debate with my 12 year old younger brother, he's already miles ahead of you people in terms of logic and understanding anyway.
Except for Megafanx, he's pretty cool.[/QUOTE]
And everyone knows that it's an extreme version of a hypothetical when you're screaming about how it's a direct equivalent to taxation to high heaven.
The next time you eat out or go to buy things, I want to tell the person you're paying that they should stop complaining about how the rich aren't taxed enough and they need to suck it up and work hard.
It should be just as easy as preaching on an internet forum, right?
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;32929769]You still here? I thought you left? Put your money where your mouth is.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I don't have any money, it all goes to taxes and gas.
Starting next year everything will be made 2% more expensive over here.
Doesn't sound like much, but it's been doing that ever since the euro. Froze wages, increased costs.
Nothing in comparison though.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;32929777]And everyone knows that it's an extreme version of a hypothetical when you're screaming about how it's a direct equivalent to taxation to high heaven.
The next time you eat out or go to buy things, I want to tell the person you're paying that they should stop complaining about how the rich aren't taxed enough and they need to suck it up and work hard.
It should be just as easy as preaching on an internet forum, right?[/QUOTE]
And what in the hell are you even talking about? I don't eat out, and I rarely buy shit. I'd probably do so if I had money, but oh yeah I don't.
Damn, merge-sniped.
For the record, during the Eisenhower era we had the top income tax bracket giving 90% of their income. Eisenhower was a Republican through and through.
Stop trying to hunt for skeletons in the closet. No amount of "OH GOD SOCIALISM OR COMMUNISM" will help the fact that we need more revenue in the first place, and serious government reform that the Republicans are currently trying to block because their strategy right now is to just block everything the Democrats try to pass and then blame everything on the Democrats because this country is going to the shitter.
[editline]23rd October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;32929842]And what in the hell are you even talking about? I don't eat out, and I rarely buy shit. I'd probably do so if I had money, but oh yeah I don't.[/QUOTE]
Go to a supermarket and tell the person checking out your shit that they need to work harder and stop being a lazy bum. Do it.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;32929729]
And if I wasn't looking for a debate, why in the hell did I even post? Theorize that one because i'm incredibly interested in what you come up with.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pnzcxuR9ULQ/TJVK-wNFTYI/AAAAAAAAPdg/j82Tkd85X7U/s1600/freud.jpg[/img]
It stems from your attraction to your mother, which also manifests in your continual usage of phallic symbology (long erect objects penetrating the atmosphere) on deviantart. Your extremely liberal mother beat you as a child, and you have developed a paraphilic disorder in which you gain sexual pleasure for supporting contextually abhorred ideas.
By the way, being poor is a tax in of itself.
[url]http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-things-nobody-tells-you-about-being-poor/[/url]
Yeah, let's hate on the poor, because even if they're responsible they will never get a loan because fuck them for never having to borrow money.
[QUOTE=Contag;32929864][img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pnzcxuR9ULQ/TJVK-wNFTYI/AAAAAAAAPdg/j82Tkd85X7U/s1600/freud.jpg[/img]
It stems from your attraction to your mother, which also manifests in your continual usage of phallic symbology (long erect objects penetrating the atmosphere) on deviantart. Your extremely liberal mother beat you as a child, and you have developed a paraphilic disorder in which you gain sexual pleasure for supporting contextually abhorred ideas.[/QUOTE]
That was good. Not a single bit of it is even partially accurate in any measurement, but it was good.
[editline]23rd October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;32929849]Go to a supermarket and tell the person checking out your shit that they need to work harder and stop being a lazy bum. Do it.[/QUOTE]
Again, what the hell are you talking about? I'm in the exact same fucking spot as that person checking out the shit that I never buy because I have no money.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;32929938]That was good. Not a single bit of it is even partially accurate in any measurement, but it was good.
[editline]23rd October 2011[/editline]
Again, what the hell are you talking about? I'm in the exact same fucking spot as that person checking out the shit that I never buy because I have no money.[/QUOTE]
Because you're such an apologist for the rich.
Unless you're claiming that you don't buy basic food and you're on foodstamps, or that you grow your own food, you should do it.
[editline]23rd October 2011[/editline]
Try it, tell the person checking out anything you buy, anywhere you go, that they do not work hard enough and that is why they are earning minimum wage. Prove it not to me, but prove to yourself that you can say this to someone while staring them in the eye.
Do it.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;32930060]Because you're such an apologist for the rich.
Unless you're claiming that you don't buy basic food and you're on foodstamps, or that you grow your own food, you should do it.[/QUOTE]
Go to hell, okay? This thread has devolved from something where a debate MIGHT happen to simply attacking me because I think differently.
[editline]23rd October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;32930060]
Try it, tell the person checking out anything you buy, anywhere you go, that they do not work hard enough and that is why they are earning minimum wage. Prove it not to me, but prove to yourself that you can say this to someone while staring them in the eye.
Do it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, go to hell.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;32930102]Go to hell, okay? This thread has devolved from something where a debate MIGHT happen to simply attacking me because I think differently.[/QUOTE]
No, because instinctively the way you perceive the world is spitting on the face of someone who can't break out of poverty, which right now is pretty much more than half the country you live in.
I'm asking you to show that you have the willpower and the strength to stick to your guns when confronted with reality. If you don't have the strength to do that, stop trying to argue your weak-willed beliefs.
[editline]23rd October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;32930102]Go to hell, okay? This thread has devolved from something where a debate MIGHT happen to simply attacking me because I think differently.
[editline]23rd October 2011[/editline]
Yeah, go to hell.[/QUOTE]
Have you done it yet?
You aren't answering this challenge with any sort of the "debate" you came in for. I thought you wanted a debate, so here's my argument.
You don't have the strength to stand by what you believe and defend it when it actually matters.
[QUOTE=Contag;32929864][img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pnzcxuR9ULQ/TJVK-wNFTYI/AAAAAAAAPdg/j82Tkd85X7U/s1600/freud.jpg[/img]
It stems from your attraction to your mother, which also manifests in your continual usage of phallic symbology (long erect objects penetrating the atmosphere) on deviantart. Your extremely liberal mother beat you as a child, and you have developed a paraphilic disorder in which you gain sexual pleasure for supporting contextually abhorred ideas.[/QUOTE]
My studies in psychology finally pays off...
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;32930102]Go to hell, okay? This thread has devolved from something where a debate MIGHT happen to simply attacking me because I think differently.
[editline]23rd October 2011[/editline]
Yeah, go to hell.[/QUOTE]
And you wonder why we've had enough of you.
In the words of DOG-GY from the Cain: For the Poor thread:
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;32912837]stay classy[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;32930144]No, because instinctively the way you perceive the world is spitting on the face of someone who can't break out of poverty, which right now is pretty much more than half the country you live in.
I'm asking you to show that you have the willpower and the strength to stick to your guns when confronted with reality. If you don't have the strength to do that, stop trying to argue your weak-willed beliefs.
[editline]23rd October 2011[/editline]
Have you done it yet?
You aren't answering this challenge with any sort of the "debate" you came in for. I thought you wanted a debate, so here's my argument.
You don't have the strength to stand by what you believe and defend it when it actually matters.[/QUOTE]
Quote me somewhere stating clearly that these are my beliefs. Do it, do THAT and perhaps the bullshit you are spraying at me might have some sort of merit. IF those were even my beliefs, I would stand by them but be DAMN sure to clarify them in fucking bullet points. You don't know a single damn thing about MY beliefs, you know only what I have posted on the INTERNET and what I have chosen to defend in the most one sided "debate" i have seen since that abortion debate in my fucking junior year of highschool.
You are taking posts off of [I]Facepunch[/I] of ALL things and trying to use them to claim you know the kind of person I am, and thats fucking pathetic. So, as I said before, and as I am adding to now: Take your stupid, bigoted demands and go to hell.
[editline]23rd October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;32930204]And you wonder why we've had enough of you.[/QUOTE]
I don't wonder that at all. -pulls more words I never said out of mouth-
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;32930326]Quote me somewhere stating clearly that these are my beliefs. Do it, do THAT and perhaps the bullshit you are spraying at me might have some sort of merit. IF those were even my beliefs, I would stand by them but be DAMN sure to clarify them in fucking bullet points. You don't know a single damn thing about MY beliefs, you know only what I have posted on the INTERNET and what I have chosen to defend in the most one sided "debate" i have seen since that abortion debate in my fucking junior year of highschool.
You are taking posts off of [I]Facepunch[/I] of ALL things and trying to use them to claim you know the kind of person I am, and thats fucking pathetic. So, as I said before, and as I am adding to now: Take your stupid, bigoted demands and go to hell.[/QUOTE]
"Exactly, and when that democratic society has a small number of people that make more money, and a large number of people that say they need stuff, the small number of people loses out. But thats democracy, right?"
"Fuck the majority that actually needs enough money to even get by, because the rich clearly need to keep their billions to wipe their ass"
I'm very clearly being bigoted and stupid when I'm asking you to show that you actually have the willingness to tell a very real person in person that they deserve to watch the rich get massive tax breaks.
You're trying to hide, but I don't care about the debate, I care about the strength of your conviction, and right now you're showing me nothing.
There is no debate here and there never was.
[QUOTE=Hunt3r.j2;32930481]"Exactly, and when that democratic society has a small number of people that make more money, and a large number of people that say they need stuff, the small number of people loses out. But thats democracy, right?"
"Fuck the majority that actually needs enough money to even get by, because the rich clearly need to keep their billions to wipe their ass"
I'm very clearly being bigoted and stupid when I'm asking you to show that you actually have the willingness to tell a very real person in person that they deserve to watch the rich get massive tax breaks.
You're trying to hide, but I don't care about the debate, I care about the strength of your conviction, and right now you're showing me nothing.[/QUOTE]
...neither of those quotes say those are my beliefs, moving on.
You're trying to make me say I hate poor people, I stopped caring about the debate when it became clear that I was simply being attacked. Whether or not I have the willingness to tell a very real person that is completely irrelevant and it looks like you've brought it up to paint me as a bad person. I've done absolutely nothing to suggest that I would even consider it to be their fault that they aren't rich and the fact that you are trying to imply I have is incredibly rude and rather ignorant.
If the outcome of this... whatever this is even mattered at all, then the strength of my conviction would be clear and I would be showing it, but since it doesn't matter and since there is no way I can even begin to prove anything otherwise, I don't even see why you asked that of me to begin with.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;32931012]...neither of those quotes say those are my beliefs, moving on.
You're trying to make me say I hate poor people, I stopped caring about the debate when it became clear that I was simply being attacked. Whether or not I have the willingness to tell a very real person that is completely irrelevant and it looks like you've brought it up to paint me as a bad person. I've done absolutely nothing to suggest that I would even consider it to be their fault that they aren't rich and the fact that you are trying to imply I have is incredibly rude and rather ignorant.[/QUOTE]
I literally just said there is no debate and there never was. Stop saying there was a debate because there wasn't.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;32931012]...neither of those quotes say those are my beliefs, moving on.
You're trying to make me say I hate poor people, I stopped caring about the debate when it became clear that I was simply being attacked. Whether or not I have the willingness to tell a very real person that is completely irrelevant and it looks like you've brought it up to paint me as a bad person. I've done absolutely nothing to suggest that I would even consider it to be their fault that they aren't rich and the fact that you are trying to imply I have is incredibly rude and rather ignorant.
If the outcome of this... whatever this is even mattered at all, then the strength of my conviction would be clear and I would be showing it, but since it doesn't matter and since there is no way I can even begin to prove anything otherwise, I don't even see why you asked that of me to begin with.[/QUOTE]
So what is exactly is your point, then? Having read the thread, your only views seem to anti-anything that vaguely resembles socialism. Why do you believe this divide is happening, and how do you think, to the best of your knowledge, it should be fixed?
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;32931098]I literally just said there is no debate and there never was. Stop saying there was a debate because there wasn't.[/QUOTE]
Stop assuming I'm trying to debate now, my god. My miswording didn't help, I see that, but godDAMN I KNOW there wasn't one. Did you not see I agreed with you?
[editline]23rd October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Camundongo;32931185]So what is exactly is your point, then? Having read the thread, your only views seem to anti-anything that vaguely resembles socialism. Why do you believe this divide is happening, and how do you think, to the best of your knowledge, it should be fixed?[/QUOTE]
I stated earlier that a good mix of the 2 is what we should be aiming at, and I agreed with someone earlier about how doing so works to eliminate the limitations of just one of them.
This devide is happening for 2 reasons. One is the rich keep getting richer (for whatever reasons that may be), and the other is the media and government throwing sparks at a growing glow of hatred for the rich because of the previous fact.
How to fix it? First step is plug the tax loopholes and make it dead simple. Then work from there to discuss "fair shares" and shit like that so we can end this class warfare thing that seems to be catching on.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;32931190]Stop assuming I'm trying to debate now, my god. My miswording didn't help, I see that, but godDAMN I KNOW there wasn't one. Did you not see I agreed with you?[/QUOTE]
I did see that you agreed with me but then you AGAIN mentioned a debate that never existed. Exactly where in that post did I say you were currently trying to debate? My exact words were "Stop saying there was a debate because there wasn't." and not "Stop debating when there is no debate.".
Debating about whether a debate exists. :inception:
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;32931190]How to fix it? First step is plug the tax loopholes and make it dead simple. Then work from there to discuss "fair shares" and shit like that so we can end this class warfare thing that seems to be catching on.[/QUOTE]
Class warfare? You can't be serious.
[QUOTE=DesolateGrun;32906845]Honestly for something like this, I wish the executive branch could override congress and pass the jobs bill and tax the fuck out of the rich, something has to be done about this bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Fuck those guys lets take their money because I'm angry grrrr
Balance of power is for losers, just take their money by force
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;32931190]How to fix it? First step is plug the tax loopholes and make it dead simple. Then work from there to discuss "fair shares" and shit like that so we can end this class warfare thing that seems to be catching on.[/QUOTE]
You've given us a false pretext for the problem we're working to solve. You have stated that the media and the government are trying to create an atmosphere of hatred for the rich is somehow contributing to income disparity. Ignoring that, here's why your "how to fix it" comes up short- you never defined "tax loopholes" or implied what "fair shares" [i]might[/i] be, which to put it plain and simple, means you've explained nothing about your opinion. It can be distilled to the following:
"We can fix income disparity by taxing some people who are not being taxed enough, and talk about something else in the future maybe."
You're coming off as a very angry voice in a crowded debate who has little idea of exactly what he wants. Occupy Wall Street has a better idea of how to fix America than you do.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;32931632]Fuck those guys lets take their money because I'm angry grrrr[/QUOTE]
Fuck those guys lets take their money because they buy the government to make laws that funnel more money into their [I]job creating[/I] bank accounts grrrr
[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;32907255]I can see someones mommy and daddy have made sure you've never known a real problem in life.
That must be so nice, I wish I had a bubble like that.[/QUOTE]
Wow baseless personal attacks to defend your idea that you're entitled to someone else's money if you need it more?
You should join a debate club
[editline]24th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Hidole555;32931737]Fuck those guys lets take their money because they buy the government to make laws that funnel more money into their [I]job creating[/I] bank accounts grrrr[/QUOTE]
The people who buy out politicians, and the politicians that are allowed to be bought out should be tried for treason
I fucking hate the 1% and I hope they all get ass cancer, but do you really think taxing them more is going to be rightful payback for the wholesome destruction of the country?
And if you do think taxing the rich will impact them enough that they'll magically stop buying politicians (Your pal Obama got a lot of campaign contributions from Wall St), who decides these arbitrary taxes? And who are you to decide how much of their money you're entitled to?
[QUOTE=Contag;32929864][img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_pnzcxuR9ULQ/TJVK-wNFTYI/AAAAAAAAPdg/j82Tkd85X7U/s1600/freud.jpg[/img]
It stems from your attraction to your mother, which also manifests in your continual usage of phallic symbology (long erect objects penetrating the atmosphere) on deviantart. Your extremely liberal mother beat you as a child, and you have developed a paraphilic disorder in which you gain sexual pleasure for supporting contextually abhorred ideas.[/QUOTE]
I'd enjoy seeing a gimmick account where they ONLY post like this
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