[QUOTE=Kopimi;32931756]And if you do think taxing the rich will impact them enough that they'll magically stop buying politicians (Your pal Obama got a lot of campaign contributions from Wall St), who decides these arbitrary taxes? And who are you to decide how much of their money you're entitled to?[/QUOTE]
Hey hey, how about this: We get some campaign finance reform like overruling the Citizens United case decision, limiting individual donations, and closing tax loopholes. How's that sound?
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;32931663]You've given us a false pretext for the problem we're working to solve. You have stated that the media and the government are trying to create an atmosphere of hatred for the rich is somehow contributing to income disparity. Ignoring that, here's why your "how to fix it" comes up short- you never defined "tax loopholes" or implied what "fair shares" [i]might[/i] be, which to put it plain and simple, means you've explained nothing about your opinion. It can be distilled to the following:
"We can fix income disparity by taxing some people who are not being taxed enough, and talk about something else in the future maybe."
You're coming off as a very angry voice in a crowded debate who has little idea of exactly what he wants. Occupy Wall Street has a better idea of how to fix America than you do.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I thought I was giving an idea based upon what I know. I don't know how government works internally, so I didn't give anything past the basics. I kept it simple, and gave a general idea of the direction I think we should be heading in. I personally don't care why it "comes up short" to your standards and I find it funny that a failed console is giving me advice on how to better my arguments.
Fix the loopholes first, thats the biggest issue. once that is fixed, then form another plan based on the result.
[editline]23rd October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;32932724]Hey hey, how about this: We get some campaign finance reform like overruling the Citizens United case decision, limiting individual donations, and closing tax loopholes. How's that sound?[/QUOTE]
I can get on board with that.
I know it's extremely typical and predictable of me, as an American, but I wanna see a graph. I'm a visual learner.
Well, time to leave. Would anyone in another country be kind enough to let me crash with them till I find a job?
[editline]23rd October 2011[/editline]
Dead serious.
[QUOTE=Xane_Alt;32935830]Well, time to leave. Would anyone in another country be kind enough to let me crash with them till I find a job?
[editline]23rd October 2011[/editline]
Dead serious.[/QUOTE]
Sure!
[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;32907657]I was sarcastic, but ignorance is bliss.
I really don't, I like being an actual person, not a spoiled little shithead like you.[/QUOTE]
My my are we a little defensive. You aren't a better person than anyone else, financial stability doesn't mean you have a less enjoyable life than someone without it.
And at least this "spoiled shit head" didn't come and flame you personally for no reason you aggressive douchebag.
[editline]24th October 2011[/editline]
Where's the logic in hating rich people? Hating greedy rich people that fuck over poor people sure, and hating the overall system in which poor get poorer and rich get richer, sure, but my god, most rich people earned their riches, to hate them is fucking ridiculous.
[QUOTE=Clementine;32936298]most rich people earned their riches, to hate them is fucking ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Not all of them acquired their money in a way that's morally right.
There's actually a lucrative business in screwing over people that can barely make ends meet.
Even though that's (mostly) legal it's still immoral, and that's some of the loopholes that needs to be closed.
And those businesses practicing in such areas should be disciplined.
Why do americans care about this "credit" junk so much? They refuse services just because you have no credit? What the fuck.
I think this whole Occupy movement should become a full blown revolution since it's obvious nothing we do will matter otherwise. Too bad we americans are so lazy and complacent being worker drones for the top 1% that the Occupy movement will fizzle out without accomplishing anything of worth.
I hate the human race sometimes.
[QUOTE=Kuro.;32945825]I think this whole Occupy movement should become a full blown revolution since it's obvious nothing we do will matter otherwise. Too bad we americans are so lazy and complacent being worker drones for the top 1% that the Occupy movement will fizzle out without accomplishing anything of worth.
I hate the human race sometimes.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps you could stop bitching about how people are so lazy on the internet and go join in? Things certainly haven't fizzled out yet.
True, but even as idealistic as I am I recognize that simply voicing my discontent isn't going to accomplish anything. Shouting slogans at the top of my lungs and waving around a sign isn't going to make corporate America less greedy, or make those who benefit from the status quo remaining as it is feel even a little bit guilty.
The Occupy movement raging against the combined forces of corporate malfeasance is the equivalent of a tribal shaman and his whole village standing on a bluff and thinking they can stop an incoming 500ft tsunami from wiping out their village through sheer force of will. It doesn't matter how hard you believe, it's just not going to happen. We can piss and moan all we want in public or online but the bottom line is these people are not going to give up the absolute power that they've worked for the better part of the last century and longer to obtain. Nothing short of complete global financial collapse would even come close to killing them off, and by that point there are bigger problems to worry about.
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