• Now it's Swexit! Swedish MEP says his homeland could be next to leave the EU
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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/rxe7v8K.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE]Sweden could be the next country to turn its back on the EU, an MEP who branded Brexit 'a breath of fresh air' has claimed. Sweden Democrat MEP Peter Lundgren earlier this week likened Article 50 being triggered to 'D-Day', and he now predicts a similar referendum will soon be held in his homeland. As the letter signalling Britain's intention to leave the EU was handed over on Wednesday, Mr Lundgren said: 'The British people have shown the rest of Europe it's possible to leave. At last we have a breath of fresh air.' And the right-wing politician said his anti-Europe party is growing in popularity all the time, stating it currently has a 27 per cent share of the vote.[/QUOTE] Good, more countries need to realize the EU is nothing but a plot by the globalists to undermine the common people and create a global state. [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4371134/Swedish-MEP-says-homeland-leave-EU.html"]Source[/URL].
I'm not sure what I'll vote if they decide to have an election for it. Probably stay.
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;52043113]Good, more countries need to realize the EU is nothing but a plot by the globalists to undermine the common people and create a global state.[/QUOTE] tell me this is satire
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52049239]tell me this is satire[/QUOTE] Two years ago, the likes of Trump were mistaken for satirists. Look at us now.
[QUOTE=archangel125;52049252]Two years ago, the likes of Trump were mistaken for satirists. Look at us now.[/QUOTE] It's just crazy that people still believe this Illuminati shit, and crazier that it's becoming less and less fringe.
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;52043113] Good, more countries need to realize the EU is nothing but a plot by the globalists to undermine the common people and create a global state. [/QUOTE] Even as a Eurosceptic, I find this belief absurd. I don't believe for a second that the EU is a malevolent body, just an incompetent one.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52049239]tell me this is satire[/QUOTE] Yeah, it is, i thought that april 1st + the daily mail as a source was a dead giveaway. Still there are people out there that really think like this, which is kinda sad.
Hah, that guy is a buffoon. SD has always been anti-EU, but if he seriously thought that would happen, he's even dumber than he looks.
April 1st shenanigans aside, why are people so against globalism? Is it such a huge fear among the extreme right that a global government will lead to their cultures being erased? I mean, even among globalists, that's not an ideal they want to see happening.
[QUOTE=archangel125;52049560]April 1st shenanigans aside, why are people so against globalism? Is it such a huge fear among the extreme right that a global government will lead to their cultures being erased? I mean, even among globalists, that's not an ideal they want to see happening.[/QUOTE] the EU even funds loads of culture related stuff
[QUOTE=archangel125;52049560]April 1st shenanigans aside, why are people so against globalism? Is it such a huge fear among the extreme right that a global government will lead to their cultures being erased? I mean, even among globalists, that's not an ideal they want to see happening.[/QUOTE]They fear totalitarianism from a global government. That's one of the things I've heard in terms of opposition.
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;52049406]Yeah, it is, i thought that april 1st + the daily mail as a source was a dead giveaway.[/QUOTE] My mistake, it's April 2nd here now.
[QUOTE=MissingNoGuy;52049665]They fear totalitarianism from a global government. That's one of the things I've heard in terms of opposition.[/QUOTE] They tend towards totalitarianism themselves! An ethnically homogeneous country is their dearest wish. Are they just projecting?
[QUOTE=archangel125;52049702]They tend towards totalitarianism themselves! An ethnically homogeneous country is their dearest wish. Are they just projecting?[/QUOTE] Generally speaking, they'd rather have a authoritarian government with a cohesive culture and therefore a solid identity as a nation or people instead of a global authoritarian government that would perhaps change or even supplant their own culture in lieu of a different one, or even eradicate established cultures and create a mixed and meaningless culture based upon nothing but materialism, not history, religion, or geography, but a synthetic culture that deprives people of true identity. Many people hold their national/ethnic/spiritual/cultural identity very sacred and dislike when anything attempts to water it down or balkanize it. That being said, don't mistake fear of globalism for fear of globalization. Globalism is more often associated with the above sentiments while globalization usually refers to trade, goods, products, infrastructure, etc. and most people enjoy that. Brave New World comes to mind, everyone is infatuated with brands, looks, gadgets, pleasure, data with no meaning, sensation without humanity.
[QUOTE=archangel125;52049702]They tend towards totalitarianism themselves! An ethnically homogeneous country is their dearest wish. Are they just projecting?[/QUOTE]Probably. I wouldn't doubt it.
Weird that this is the first I've heard of this. Then again Swedish media is highly selective about what they publish. (But at the same time which media outlet isn't) Either way I think the EU is flawed in a lot of ways, but I don't know what would happen if the EU would cease to exist. Ideally something better would replace it but who knows, shit might just get worse. I highly doubt the average Swede feels like leaving.
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;52049771]Weird that this is the first I've heard of this. Then again Swedish media is highly selective about what they publish. (But at the same time which media outlet isn't) Either way I think the EU is flawed in a lot of ways, but I don't know what would happen if the EU would cease to exist. Ideally something better would replace it but who knows, shit might just get worse. I highly doubt the average Swede feels like leaving.[/QUOTE] The average Swede doesn't feel like leaving, same with how the average Swede doesn't sympathize with SD. Whichever flaws the EU has won't be fixed by leaving it, as Britain is sure to find out.
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;52049771]Weird that this is the first I've heard of this. Then again Swedish media is highly selective about what they publish. (But at the same time which media outlet isn't) Either way I think the EU is flawed in a lot of ways, but I don't know what would happen if the EU would cease to exist. Ideally something better would replace it but who knows, shit might just get worse. I highly doubt the average Swede feels like leaving.[/QUOTE] Some would say that the Swedes are being deceptive about their murder statistics due to the refugee crisis. While this may or may not be true, I know that the political structure (which is owned by the socialists) I agree with you that they aren't going to budge out of the EU. However, if the climate changes within the next decade in respect to Frexit and other potentials, there could be a discourse.
[QUOTE=Big Bang;52049891]The average Swede doesn't feel like leaving, same with how the average Swede doesn't sympathize with SD. Whichever flaws the EU has won't be fixed by leaving it, as Britain is sure to find out.[/QUOTE] 3rd largest party with I think it's 10 big parties to vote for. I think the average swede sympathises with SD on a bunch of matters. [editline]3rd April 2017[/editline] nvm, it's 8 big parties.
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;52043113][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/rxe7v8K.jpg[/IMG] Good, more countries need to realize the EU is nothing but a plot by the globalists to undermine the common people and create a global state. [URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4371134/Swedish-MEP-says-homeland-leave-EU.html"]Source[/URL].[/QUOTE] yeah fuck a unified currency and open travel for citizens, worst shit in the world as an American, I'd absolutely love having to have my biannual cross-country commute home involve 5 border crossings and a transition from the Minnesota Goose Sterling to the Texas Freedom Unit for a 5% additional charge at the only convenient currency exchange. You guys have it lucky. [editline]3rd April 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Johnny Joe;52049719]Generally speaking, they'd rather have a authoritarian government with a cohesive culture and therefore a solid identity as a nation or people instead of a global authoritarian government that would perhaps change or even supplant their own culture in lieu of a different one, or even eradicate established cultures and create a mixed and meaningless culture based upon nothing but materialism, not history, religion, or geography, but a synthetic culture that deprives people of true identity. Many people hold their national/ethnic/spiritual/cultural identity very sacred and dislike when anything attempts to water it down or balkanize it. That being said, don't mistake fear of globalism for fear of globalization. Globalism is more often associated with the above sentiments while globalization usually refers to trade, goods, products, infrastructure, etc. and most people enjoy that. Brave New World comes to mind, everyone is infatuated with brands, looks, gadgets, pleasure, data with no meaning, sensation without humanity.[/QUOTE] The EU is incredibly different from a totalitarian government. It's effectively the world's first real, effective transnational government. There are plenty of fair criticisms of it - that's what representative are for. People who think tearing down every institution ever created and starting from the ground up is a good solution to "2 many immigrants" need to go into a coma and live a second life in a country where institutions actually collapsed. The irony of eurosceptics being afraid of cultural balkanization from the EU. It's like they don't know why it's called balkanization. And that people slaughtered each other in the Balkans over fucking [I]cultural differences[/I] not even 30 years ago.
There's no way that Sweden, out of all places, would do an exit. The people seem far too liberal, progressive or however you want to describe it. [QUOTE=.Isak.;52051621]yeah fuck a unified currency and open travel for citizens, worst shit in the world as an American, I'd absolutely love having to have my biannual cross-country commute home involve 5 border crossings and a transition from the Minnesota Goose Sterling to the Texas Freedom Unit for a 5% additional charge at the only convenient currency exchange. You guys have it lucky. The EU is incredibly different from a totalitarian government. It's effectively the world's first real, effective transnational government. There are plenty of fair criticisms of it - that's what representative are for. People who think tearing down every institution ever created and starting from the ground up is a good solution to "2 many immigrants" need to go into a coma and live a second life in a country where institutions actually collapsed. The irony of eurosceptics being afraid of cultural balkanization from the EU. It's like they don't know why it's called balkanization. And that people slaughtered each other in the Balkans over fucking [I]cultural differences[/I] not even 30 years ago.[/QUOTE] I couldn't care less about the Euro and would rather have Litas back, so my country could actually manipulate it and in turn represent my interests better (Greece could have had it better with Drachma). There's also an issue of sharp price rises after that (though it was because of a too lax transition), many things became 2-3 times more expensive in relation to our income. You mention that irony, but in the meantime the EU enables easier settling of foreign cultures into Europe. Then European security communities have to foil terror plots with such frequency that I barely see it popping into the news anymore (this [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_thwarted_Islamist_terrorist_attacks"]list[/URL] is increasing in size for each year by like 50% since 2015. I had some more stats elsewhere that I can't find now, but irc that wiki page omits most of them). So there's nothing ironic here and it actually seems extremely similar, as different ethnicities/cultures in close proximity led to tensions then and now. So because of that it doesn't fill me with confidence that EU is increasing our safety long term and I don't agree that being in it is something like a moral obligation. Why should countries in Europe, without EU, suddenly start fighting each other like 100 years ago, sounds like saying you can't have a moral compass without a God in your life.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;52053012]As if EU is a place for "too liberal, progressive" parties. As if it wasnt set up, and led by, mainly European "conservatives", the European People's Party members. (Conservatives in quotes because this is an American-British forum and continental conservatives aren't comparable - not retarded, for starters. British conservatives aren't a member of EPP as well. )[/QUOTE] Didn't talk about the parties. [QUOTE=Trebgarta;52053012]Greece could have it better if they didnt underreport their deficit.[/QUOTE] Doesn't change the other. [QUOTE=Trebgarta;52053012]I am sure terrorism is a cultural phenomenon. And the sharp rise after 2011 is because of the EU, established in the 90s, and not because of some war that started then or something. Syria, who cares, half the world away from Europe.[/QUOTE] The last London terrorist is home grown and is another example of how they just get worse in subsequent generations. So because of the war in Syria he must kill on the side of the caliphate, isn't that just an argument that integration has failed. Then if the EU plan is to resettle some of them near me why shouldn't I say it has something to do with the problem.
We're not leaving the EU, there's simply not support for it. His party and the Left Party (ex-communists) are the only anti-EU parties in parliament with just 17% of the vote and EU support remains high. Euro (currency) support is low though, no one wants that problem currency.
Nah Sweden won't do that. This country is too far to the left to even consider that.
My only problem with the EU is that there's no levels of integration to go through. It's a long walk in, a long walk out, and it's mostly all or nothing. Had we say, looked at greece, seen some problems, and given them limited access to EU powers (no euro, no need to bail them out etc) the union would be much stronger. Romania and bulgaria are pretty corrupt (I lived with a romanian, all he'd do is complain about it) and had the EU been heavier handed with problem states, maybe things'd be better (That said, they're hardly a problem) The baltic states are fine because they've got a very small population. And poland is a wonderful land... Yeah, it's really just the greeks and a few south-east countries that're causing shit.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;52049349]It's just crazy that people still believe this Illuminati shit, and crazier that it's becoming less and less fringe.[/QUOTE] globalism and the objections to it have nothing to do with illuminati kookiness any more than objections to massive surveillance have to do with worrying about google becoming skynet, but I too get my education from video game forums so what do I know
Didn't people say "there's no way the UK is leaving EU" before the UK voted to leave the UK? [editline]3rd April 2017[/editline] There might be some noteworthy support for leaving the EU here in Sweden, I think.
There was an opinion poll made after Brexit. 52% would vote to stay in the EU, 31% would vote to leave. 52% believed the EU was heading into the wrong direction, 14% in the right direction. Swedish source: [url]http://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/ny-undersokning-efter-brexit-majoritet-ar-for-svenskt-medlemskap-i-eu[/url]
Isn't Sweden already somewhat less than a full member so they can keep using kronor?
We should have changed to euro a long time ago imo. We shouldn't have a vote to leave the eu, we should vote to get more involved.
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