• Anti-hunting mob urges Team-USA Trap-Shooter to kill herself
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[QUOTE=dogmachines;37114444]An animal that shows a basic inelligence(get food, reproduce, avoid danger, protect young, etc.) is hardly the same as a sentient animal with organized society.[/QUOTE] And to that I'd say I feel the same way, I'm just trying to play the other side of the issue.
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;37114362] [img]http://theniels.com/2008/DuckHunting/DuckHunting083.JPG[/img] Yeah look at all these mass murderers.[/QUOTE] There's probably this amount of ducks that continues to land in my pool alone, mallards are anything but endangered.
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;37114376]they're just animals[/QUOTE] “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated” Nice 'lil Gandhi quote. I'm all for hunting, though I think trophy hunting is stupid. However hunting to control populations, and hunting to sustain yourself or family I think is completely acceptable. I might have to be hunting moose for food in the near future too. I think the native Americans were onto something. They respected their animals, often as equals. They hunted, and used everything. Heart to bones. That's the mark of a society with resourceful and respectful people.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37114122]I'd like to point out that "trophy hunting" doesn't mean you don't eat the animal. Take deer for example. If you shoot a large buck with a good rack, you might want to mount the head. That doesn't keep you from eating the meat. Did she kill a lot of birds? Yes. Obviously she didn't go over her limit, which is specifically meant to prevent overhunting. Just because she has a massive pile doesn't mean any of it is going to waste.[/QUOTE] Yep. In many cases, hunters that bring in too much meat for their family will donate the surplus meat to homeless shelters. However, I can say that birds generally don't have a lot of meat on them.
[QUOTE=SadisticGecko;37114484]Yep. In many cases, hunters that bring in too much meat for their family will donate the surplus meat to homeless shelters. However, I can say that birds generally don't have a lot of meat on them.[/QUOTE] I know that Dove don't have a whole lot on them, with birds that aren't raised for meat your best bet is the breast. That huge pile has plenty of meat, but not as much as a knee-jerk impulse might say it does.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37114510]I know that Dove don't have a whole lot on them, with birds that aren't raised for meat your best bet is the breast. That huge pile has plenty of meat, but not as much as a knee-jerk impulse might say it does.[/QUOTE] It's going to feed someone for awhile, but overall, once you clean the bird and gut it, there's a lot less than first appearances.
I don't know man, hunting for recreational purposes is a dick move.
[QUOTE=aydin690;37114559]I don't know man, hunting for recreational purposes is a dick move.[/QUOTE] Not if you eat the meat. Not to mention that without recreational hunting it would be a lot harder to control animal populations.
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[QUOTE=dogmachines;37114574]Not if you eat the meat. Not to mention that without recreational hunting it would be a lot harder to control animal populations.[/QUOTE] i said recreational. Last time i checked it did not include hunting for food and population control.
[QUOTE=DesumThePanda;37113886]so any predatory animal is socopathj nice logic[/QUOTE]Teaching kids to kill things and go "yay I killed things" can fuck them up mentally, what is that debatable to you? I'm not saying it always happens or that it happens a lot but it can.
[QUOTE=aydin690;37114629]i said recreational. Last time i checked it did not include hunting for food and population control.[/QUOTE] Recreational sounds like people that hunt for fun, and just because you have fun doesn't mean you leave the animal dead where it lies.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;37114645]Teaching kids to kill things and go "yay I killed things" can fuck them up mentally, what is that debatable to you? I'm not saying it always happens or that it happens a lot but it can.[/QUOTE] it's like, a 1 in a million chance
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37114649]Recreational sounds like people that hunt for fun, and just because you have fun doesn't mean you leave the animal dead where it lies.[/QUOTE] Especially when it costs money to get the permits to shoot the damned thing. Here, a 5 day hunting permit which allows you to shoot pheasant and other small game is $75. For those curious, here's a list of hunting/fishing permits you can get in my state and the prices: [url]https://www.wildlifedepartment.com/forget1/LicenseDescription.aspx[/url] Edit: Oh, and the season permit to shoot pheasant is $142.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37114229]It's a matter of pride really. It isn't incredibly easy to shoot a bird as it flies.[/QUOTE] Could say those soldiers pissing on the dead muslims was 'just a matter of pride really'.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;37114714]Could say those soldiers pissing on the dead muslims was 'just a matter of pride really'.[/QUOTE] Are you saying a human has the same worth as a bird?
The wild isn't necessarily a discussion of worth as much as it is respect.
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37114749]Are you saying a human has the same worth as a bird?[/QUOTE]I'm saying life is life, just because it's the life of an animal doesn't mean you can disrespect it.
[QUOTE=The golden;37113908]Gunning down helpless wildlife for no reason whatsoever, not even for the purpose of feeding your family. I'm sorry, but I see no reason to side with her at all. Just because the things she killed (for no reason) are not human doesn't many her any less of a piece of shit.[/QUOTE] It isn't like 24/7 blow shit up and kill everything, there are seasons. It called population control, in order to keep other species alive which in return keep that areas system balance. They have limits as to the numbers, it just depends on what animal it is. People need to learn what environmental carrying capacity means. I suggest before people start throwing a shit fit about hunting and what it does, i highly suggest you read something like this. [url]http://www.hunter-ed.com/pa/course/1-1_objectives.htm[/url] It breaks it down. Also most places have posted charts [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EQFJVcsSrtU/TneyhTnzBPI/AAAAAAAAKdg/w1MbfscB5dg/s1600/Hunting_Seasons_and_Bag_Limits_table_361388_7.png[/img] You shoot it, and it dies. I don't see how it is cruel, it is a quick and painless death (You can actually get fined and in some pretty big trouble, can't just shoot off and wound animals and hope they die). It isn't like these hunters bait and trap animals then pull their legs off and skin them alive. Most people who hunt love the outdoors and respect the animals they do kill. Showing off your catch is a part of the thing, you show friends and family what you got. As for that pile of birds, who is to say she sold it to someone? People who don't hunt buy that stuff, they use the parts of it. Best example I have is a friend who hunts rabbits like crazy, he does not eat the meat (they're nasty rabbits) but he sells the pelts to someone else for a few bucks each. He kills a lot of them and takes them in all at once. Most of it is pest control anyway, some of these animals that are hunted in large numbers are trouble-sum and cause a shit ton of issues.
Respect other life: you're not the center of the world. Respect mother nature: she birthed you and you better damn well take care of her. Respect history: we've exterminated species like the passenger pigeon by hunting, a bird that just 200 years ago existed in hundreds of millions. If we can't take care of every element in the food chain then we're on a good path to wipe ourselves out. This means hunt responsibly.
[QUOTE=Ybbats;37114805]I'm saying life is life, just because it's the life of an animal doesn't mean you can disrespect it.[/QUOTE] Why is finding it satisfying to shoot a bird out of the sky disrespectful? You don't seem to have ever hunted.
death to all the gay hippies
[QUOTE=aydin690;37114629]i said recreational. Last time i checked it did not include hunting for food and population control.[/QUOTE] You'd be hard pressed to find hunters that simply shoot at something, go take a few bits of hide or antler off the body, and leave the rest to rot without a good reason. Hunting seasons are usually tailored towards population control (bigger populations meaning more bucks/does allowed per license, for example.)
It's a Twitter comment, get some perspective. They aren't actually advocating her death, they're just angry. In every contentious news thread there will be a Facepunch user calling for a homophobe or politician or criminal to kill himself. I'm sure not even 1% of the time would they actually be happy to see the person die in real life. [editline]7th August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=dogmachines;37114749]Are you saying a human has the same worth as a bird?[/QUOTE] I don't think that's what he's saying, but by justifying killing with "It's a matter of pride", it's almost as if you're saying it's okay to kill things that are mentally inferior to you because it makes you feel better. That to me seems like the most egotistical thing ever.
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;37114912]I'm sure not even 1% of the time would they actually be happy to see the person die in real life.[/QUOTE] ehhh
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;37114912]It's a Twitter comment, get some perspective. They aren't actually advocating her death, they're just angry. In every contentious news thread there will be a Facepunch user calling for a homophobe or politician or criminal to kill himself. I'm sure not even 1% of the time would they actually be happy to see the person die in real life. [editline]7th August 2012[/editline] I don't think that's what he's saying, but by justifying killing with "It's a matter of pride", it's almost as if you're saying it's okay to kill things that are mentally inferior to you because it makes you feel better. That to me seems like the most egotistical thing ever.[/QUOTE] I'm not justifying killing animals as a matter of pride, I'm saying that's why people show them off. If you have the biggest deer/most birds when you get home at the end of the day, no shit you're going to show it off.
Why the hell did she need to kill herself... Why didn't she just block them on Twitter/wherever? I mean damn!
[QUOTE=dogmachines;37115086]I'm not justifying killing animals as a matter of pride, I'm saying that's why people show them off. If you have the biggest deer/most birds when you get home at the end of the day, no shit you're going to show it off.[/QUOTE] Alright, then. My bad. I just think when pride is the motivation rather than need, it's pretty self centred.
[QUOTE=bunguer;37113506]The bloodthirst of some people is really something...[/QUOTE] She doesn't look like she has any bloodthirst. She's just training.
I like how the lives of dumb animals are worth more than the lives of people now.
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