I always liked cars that were from the late 90s and early 2000s, I hope I can get a used car, hatchback and manuel one day when I get enough money
Honestly to me the only extra thing a car needs is an AUX, otherwise that's it, if I want a GPS I'd buy my phone a cradle and use Google Maps navigation because that's flawless
[QUOTE=Mr. Zombie;43185297][IMG]http://i.minus.com/iA96cQhSrpjmz.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
So what about vertical space?
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;43185515]So what about vertical space?[/QUOTE]
It's safe to assume an extreme number of parking spots will have plenty of vertical space.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;43185515]That doesn't look like 'inches of space' to me...[/QUOTE]
It slides up then pans out, looks like it needs about a foot of space to fully open. Much better than a conventional door - opening a regular door about a foot wide leaves you with about 6 or 8 inches to squeeze through. :v:
[QUOTE=Mr. Zombie;43185553]It's safe to assume an extreme number of parking spots will have plenty of vertical space.[/QUOTE]
So fuck people with slightly older garages?
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43185577]So fuck people with slightly older garages?[/QUOTE]
Most people buying teslas won't have slightly older garages, or just plain won't buy one.
They'll probably offer a regular door kit anyways.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43185577]So fuck people with slightly older garages?[/QUOTE]
It'll open in any garage you can currently open conventional hatch backs/SUV rear doors in.
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It might even be programmable so it only goes up a certain height before stretching out. The rear hatch on the Model S can be programmed to stop at any height you wish.
[QUOTE=OvB;43185613]It'll open in any garage you can currently open conventional hatch backs/SUV rear doors in.[/QUOTE]
That's some mighty tall SUV's even by US standards then.
Why not just go MPV/minivan style and have sliding rear doors, or god forbid ordinary doors?
[QUOTE=Mr. Zombie;43185596]Most people buying teslas won't have slightly older garages, or just plain won't buy one.
They'll probably offer a regular door kit anyways.[/QUOTE]
but why should you feel restricted because of your garage isnt tall enough
its just not needed, it costs a lot to make and wont become a feature on your every day car for a long time
Apparently the doors will have proximity sensors and will stop if they're about to hit something, and the car (like the model S) is on air suspension and can be lowered a few inches.
Unless for some reason you have a super small <7 foot roof there shouldn't be any issues.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43185666]That's some mighty tall SUV's even by US standards then.
Why not just go MPV/minivan style and have sliding rear doors, or god forbid ordinary doors?[/QUOTE]
That is a concept model. They are obviously demonstrating a new feature. Nobody said it won't have conventional doors. Who knows, that may just be an "option".
Well I learned that there's a new Formula E racing series like Formula 1 but with electric cars, so I think that with that much money being invested to win races, the tech will generally get a lot cheaper anyway
I had the opportunity to test drive a Model S in a local racetrack, paid 60€ for three laps around it.
...to be honest, I was disappointed. I was expecting it to be faster, it felt quite a lot heavier than I expected too. And that iPad they have for a central console just does not work at all, in my opinion.
I mean, don't get me wrong, it's still a very good car and a HUGE step from previous electrical vehicles, not counting the Tesla Roadster.
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[QUOTE=Antdawg;43185345]
If you want a car that gets you from A to B, why buy a new car? My car cost me $2,400 and sure it had 275,000km on it but it drives well, is roomy (5 seats and you can fit two bodies in the boot, no there was nothing suss going on there we were just curious) decent on fuel for a V6, has power windows, aircon, cruise control, and its metallic paint was very well looked after for a 13 year old car. Why spend ten times as much as that to buy a brand new car to get you from A to B.[/QUOTE]
Buying a new car is generally a waste of money. If you find a reliable used car that has been taken care of properly, you save a hell of a lot more money than on a new one, simply because it's new.
I'm sorry, a base Mitsubishi Lancer which isn't even an Evo is not and will never be worth $20,000. I don't care if it was made this year.
[QUOTE=MR2;43186562]I had the opportunity to test drive a Model S in a local racetrack, paid 60€ for three laps around it.
...to be honest, I was disappointed. I was expecting it to be faster, it felt quite a lot heavier than I expected too. And that iPad they have for a central console just does not work at all, in my opinion.
I mean, don't get me wrong, it's still a very good car and a HUGE step from previous electrical vehicles, not counting the Tesla Roadster.[/QUOTE]
It does pretty good for a two ton luxury sedan.
[QUOTE=OvB;43186668]It does pretty good for a two ton luxury sedan.[/QUOTE]
It does do good, yeah. It just wasn't the "rocket" I heard so much about.
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The only thing that annoys me about Tesla is their ability to produce fanboys - if you've actually driven their cars and like them, fine but rubbing your dick all over the brand, and berating others for not doing the same, despite never actually having driven the cars, is just irritating, especially when they attack me for saying I would prefer to drive something with a petrol engine and gears that I can change manually. You know who you are, you cancerous wankers, especially on 4chan.
Another note I'd like to add is that their CEO takes an unnormally aggressive stance towards critics. The Top Gear incident aside, they also raised a shitstorm when a New York Times reviewer expressed complaints about the Model S in an article. I mean, I get that there has been an anti-electric bias in the general media for years, but attacking critics seems more like it would turn off people rather than attract them.
The critic lied and tesla had the evidence to prove it. As did top gear.
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I've never driven one yet. I just go off of honest reviews. I've heard a variety of pros and cons. Though Tesla does have a huge cult following.
To be fair that new York times article turned out to be wrong. But I do understand what youre saying about blind fanboyism.
I do think Tesla is doing a good job mixing up the market. If they offer a 40,000 dollar car that competes with other comparable cars then that's just more money coming in that they can develop something that'll be even cheaper.
[QUOTE=Sableye;43183686]"cheap" car as in...as expensive as a volt, ford focus-e or nisson leaf or mitsubishi MIV
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15,000 is a cheap car
40,000 is far from a cheap electric car[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://editorial.autos.msn.com/10-cheapest-cars-to-own-2013-1"]Just did some light reading on the subject.[/URL]
Cheapest you'll get is the Nissan Versa. Not the best thing ever made but still. A lot of the cars on that list are featured on other cheap car lists. And going by pounds-to-dollars, 12k isn't too far off from 5k £. You could do woese as far as pricing.
If they insist on going overly complex and flashy, atleast do it right.
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I'd like to hear how reliability stacks up for Tesla once their cars get upwards of >200,000 miles, especially with the cheaper models. Just how the battery wears + the electric engines. They seem like nice cars, so I hope they're still reliable at lots of miles.
Also do those doors hinge at both roof and by the top of the window?
[QUOTE=Jackpody;43189109]I'd like to hear how reliability stacks up for Tesla once their cars get upwards of >200,000 miles, especially with the cheaper models. Just how the battery wears + the electric engines. They seem like nice cars, so I hope they're still reliable at lots of miles.
Also do those doors hinge at both roof and by the top of the window?[/QUOTE]
Apparently batteries hold up very well, and the motor hold up fantastically.
It's a brushless AC motor, so it's not doing any sort of rubbing, think of it like a MagLev train rolled up in a cylinder.
Doors hinge in two places.
[QUOTE=Jackpody;43189109]I'd like to hear how reliability stacks up for Tesla once their cars get upwards of >200,000 miles, especially with the cheaper models. Jut how the battery wears + the electric engines. They seem like nice cars, so I hope they're still reliable at lots of miles.
Also do those doors hinge at both roof and by the top of the window?[/QUOTE]
Elon says they have one in the lab with over 500,000 miles on it but we can't exactly prove that. The 85kwh battery is under unlimited mile 8 year warrenty and elon says It should be able to go as far as you want it but time will be the true test.
[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43188948]If they insist on going overly complex and flashy, atleast do it right.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAtkoje4-eM[/media][/QUOTE]
bmw z1 had something similar
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Remember guys the Model X has gullwing doors. The Model E (the one the article talks about) is going to be a lot cheaper than the Model X so I can pretty much guarantee it's not going to have expensive gullwing doors.
Yeah, a 40k car isn't really what Elon said he was going to make. That's not an economy car for most of the United States, that's too big of an investment for a lot of people who are already, at best, unsure about an electric vehicle. I was thinking something in the twenty to twenty-five thousand price range.
You know what? The fact that there's so many cars on the road that are running very poorly is probably a major factor in automotive pollution. Think about it, when you start up an old piece of shit car that your typical college kid, low income family, or otherwise poor person usually has it's just a cloud of black or white smoke, and visible exhaust. Cars... cars aren't supposed to run like that, you're not actually supposed to [i]see[/i] the exhaust or be able to hear it being coughed out of the tailpipe like the car's been stricken with some mechanical form of bronchitis. For a company, and founder, who wants to change the nation, save the environment, get us off an oil addiction, etc that's a big problem that I think should be addressed and done so as soon as possible.
Still, this is a step forward. At least the middle-class will be able to have a reliable electric vehicle option.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;43197942]Yeah, a 40k car isn't really what Elon said he was going to make. That's not an economy car for most of the United States, that's too big of an investment for a lot of people who are already, at best, unsure about an electric vehicle. I was thinking something in the twenty to twenty-five thousand price range.
You know what? The fact that there's so many cars on the road that are running very poorly is probably a major factor in automotive pollution. Think about it, when you start up an old piece of shit car that your typical college kid, low income family, or otherwise poor person usually has it's just a cloud of black or white smoke, and visible exhaust. Cars... cars aren't supposed to run like that, you're not actually supposed to [i]see[/i] the exhaust or be able to hear it being coughed out of the tailpipe like the car's been stricken with some mechanical form of bronchitis. For a company, and founder, who wants to change the nation, save the environment, get us off an oil addiction, etc that's a big problem that I think should be addressed and done so as soon as possible.
Still, this is a step forward. At least the middle-class will be able to have a reliable electric vehicle option.[/QUOTE]
The average car price is around $31,000 so its right on target for "average" if they can keep it under 40k. There will be a cheaper one after it most likely.
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