• 13-Year-Old Girl Dies By Suicide After Dad Shares Public Shaming Video
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[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;47893885]Hair grows back. Posting the video online was wrong, but other than that everything that was happening [B]would've blown over in a month or two. [/B][/QUOTE] You were clearly never bullied, weren't you.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47893839]I hadn't seen the other post with her comment about how she was treated at school when I posted this. If you'll notice, I shifted my tone afterward to mention heavily how it's very possible she never confided in her father about her situation and how it's very possible he had no idea how miserable she was.[/QUOTE] [B][I]Him [U]not [/U]being aware of the bullying at [U]school [/U]does [U]not [/U]excuse bullying her at [U]home[/U].[/I][/B]
I can't beleive there are people here blaming her death on her father, how can he be such a horrible person, a child abuser ect. I mean jesus christ guys, his fucking daughter just killed her self, I can asure you he feels likes absolute horseshit. The thing with punishment is that there needs to be a real punishment, you must loose something, for all we know he did have talks with her, he did try and work it, this most likely was the last straw. There is so much left out of this article, we don't know what she did,whe don't know how the dad tried to resolve it before, we don't know how serious the bullying was, we don't know if she tried to get help, we don't know if her parents knew and tried to help her. There is too much negative framing in this article to know what happened, to even consider that a farther killed her own daughter.
[QUOTE=Van-man;47893911]Ohh, the truth hurts eh?[/QUOTE] Wouldn't know.
[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;47893885]Hair grows back. Posting the video online was wrong, but other than that everything that was happening would've blown over in a month or two. Like I said, this isn't about anything like that. It's about a tragedy, not calling for someone's head.[/QUOTE] I think you're underestimating bullying I have been bullied for over 9 years starting with something petty as playing with friends
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;47893927][B][I]Him [U]not [/U]being aware of the bullying at [U]school [/U]does [U]not [/U]excuse bullying her at [U]home[/U].[/I][/B][/QUOTE] but if she had just told her abusive dad about the bullying i'm sure he would've reacted kindly and with the utmost understanding and friendliness i'm sure he wasn't the type of guy to publicly shame his children for fun!!
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47893880]I know how I'm going to parent my kids if I ever have any I'll steal their power cords whenever they get in trouble [B]Then watch with glee as their precious gadgets slowly die and they beg for the power cords back.[/B][/QUOTE] So you'll be the kind of parent who enjoys punishing your children. So you'll be exactly like the dad in this article. Don't have children, thanks.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47893934]This coming from someone with the username "Van-Man"[/QUOTE] goodbye
[QUOTE=.Isak.;47893915]"i can't wait to punish my kids by spanking the shit out of their ass, god i'm going to watch with glee as they cry and beg for me to stop the boner is unrelated"[/QUOTE] Yup. That's definitely what I said when I mentioned stealing their power cords for their gadgets. Mhmm.
[QUOTE=Hiruty;47893931]I can't beleive there are people here blaming her death on her father, how can he be such a horrible person, a child abuser ect. I mean jesus christ guys, his fucking daughter just killed her self, I can asure you he feels likes absolute horseshit. The thing with punishment is that there needs to be a real punishment, you must loose something, for all we know he did have talks with her, he did try and work it, this most likely was the last straw. There is so much left out of this article, we don't know what she did, he don't know what the dad did, we don't know how serious the bullying was, we don't know if she tried to get help, we don't know if her parents knew and tried to help her. There is too much negative framing in this article to know what happened, to even consider that a farther killed her own daughter.[/QUOTE] Feeling bad because your actions caused someone to commit suicide doesn't change the fact that [b]your actions caused someone to commit suicide[/b]
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;47893927][B][I]Him [U]not [/U]being aware of the bullying at [U]school [/U]does [U]not [/U]excuse bullying her at [U]home[/U].[/I][/B][/QUOTE] Ironically given the circumstance, that could mean they're even worse parents since that means they clearly didn't show any interest in their child's well being.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47893934]Wouldn't know.[/QUOTE] We can tell.
[QUOTE=Hiruty;47893931]I can't beleive there are people here blaming her death on her father, how can he be such a horrible person, a child abuser ect. I mean jesus christ guys, his fucking daughter just killed her self, I can asure you he feels likes absolute horseshit. The thing with punishment is that there needs to be a real punishment, you must loose something, for all we know he did have talks with her, he did try and work it, this most likely was the last straw. There is so much left out of this article, we don't know what she did, he don't know what the dad did, we don't know how serious the bullying was, we don't know if she tried to get help, we don't know if her parents knew and tried to help her. There is too much negative framing in this article to know what happened, to even consider that a farther killed her own daughter.[/QUOTE] I won't argue that we can't pin the girl's death entirely on the father. But as I've said twice before, there were things he could completely control and he chose to take on the role of an abuser, even if he wasn't aware of it. He chose to do this. And if her death was a culmination of things including this stunt, he should be held accountable. Not to the point where he is charged with anything. But he needs help in the form of counseling. Especially after an end result like that. He doesn't need punishment, he needs help. But that doesn't excuse what he did. If you take it as a separate action in and of itself - even if the girl did not kill herself - it would still be abusive.
jesus christ what a fucking shitfest you guys have started. just because it isn't the dad's fault doesn't mean it's the kid's fault. the kid could have had undiagnosed mental health issues and and a perfect storm of hormonal imbalances, social stigmas, and this inappropriate and misguided but ultimately mild punishment caused this to happen. it doesn't have to be black and white
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47893934]Wouldn't know.[/QUOTE] And in this post we see Snoberry admitting to not accepting the truth about his abusive childhood and living in a fantasy world where he's a very successful internet poster
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;47893938]So you'll be the kind of parent who enjoys punishing your children. So you'll be exactly like the dad in this article. Don't have children, thanks.[/QUOTE] Finding mirth in your kid not being able to charge their cell phones/portable games/turn on their game consoles does not equate to abuse. If you're going to sit here and seriously liken that to child abuse you have a problem.
[QUOTE=butre;47893956]jesus christ what a fucking shitfest you guys have started. just because it isn't the dad's fault doesn't mean it's the kid's fault. the kid could have had undiagnosed mental health issues and and a perfect storm of hormonal imbalances, social stigmas, and this inappropriate and misguided but ultimately mild punishment caused this to happen.[/QUOTE] Forcibly cutting a grown child's hair isn't a mild punishment.
[QUOTE=Paramud;47893959]And in this post we see Snoberry admitting to not accepting the truth about his abusive childhood and living in a fantasy world where he's a very successful internet poster[/QUOTE] My childhood wasn't abusive, thanks.
[QUOTE=Van-man;47893969]Forcibly cutting a grown child's hair and then publicly showing it as if it was a great achievement of parenthood isn't a mild punishment.[/QUOTE] Ftfy
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47893961]Finding mirth in your kid not being able to charge their cell phones/portable games/turn on their game consoles does not equate to abuse. If you're going to sit here and seriously liken that to child abuse you have a problem.[/QUOTE] I never equated it to child abuse, I said that you will enjoy punishing your children - which is exactly (I would imagine) what this dad was doing when he uploaded this on the internet for all of his friends and family to see. Because he thought it'd be fun. I'm saying enjoying any kind of punishment on your children is bad, and you should feel bad for it. Punishment should never be fun. It's mean to teach a lesson, [I]not [/I]to make your children despise or fear you.
[QUOTE=Limed00d;47893935]I think you're underestimating bullying I have been bullied for over 9 years starting with something petty as playing with friends[/QUOTE] So have I, though? Shit, it started in first grade for me and lasted until tenth (where people generally chill out). Somewhere out there on MySpace or wherever, there are at least seven videos of me being half asleep then getting slapped in the face, then getting shared to my peers. I've been pantsed infront of the class, had people actually ram my head facedown into a table and chipped a tooth, and if there's anything else that happened I've forgotten it. I'm not underestimating bullying. It sucks, and I wouldn't wish it to happen to anyone. Hell, I had my head shaved after getting gum stuck in it and it sucked for about a week but everyone shut up and got over it. It would've blown over. It always does. Don't know what kind of vindictive hell-children you had to deal with if they wouldn't fuck off after a bit.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47893971]My childhood wasn't abusive, thanks.[/QUOTE] And yet you support the practices that leads to abusive parenting. [QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;47893980]So have I, though? Shit, it started in second grade for me and lasted tenth. Somewhere out there on MySpace or wherever, there are at least seven videos of me being half asleep then getting slapped in the face, then getting shared to my peers. I've been pantsed infront of the class, had people actually ram my head facedown into a table and chipped a tooth, and if there's anything else that happened I've forgotten it. I'm not underestimating bullying. It sucks, and I wouldn't wish it to happen to anyone. Hell, I had my head shaved after getting gum stuck in it and it sucked for about a week but everyone shut up and got over it. [B]It would've blown over. It always does.[/B][/QUOTE] That thing called mental trauma must be unheard to you. The mind is at its most fragile state during the teenage years.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47893941]Yup. That's definitely what I said when I mentioned stealing their power cords for their gadgets. Mhmm.[/QUOTE] if you get any joy out of punishing your kids you're a shitty parent seriously, if you get excited at the thought of making your kids sad and forcing them to beg to you, you're a self-centered narcissistic sociopathic dick. you don't want them to learn a lesson, you want to express power and control over them. that's the absolute worst kind of parenting - and I know because I lived through it. punishing your kids is a way to teach them to learn from their mistakes. you take away their shit, and then you talk to them about why you shouldn't do whatever it is that they did. it's not a tool to make them scared of doing something again - if you try to raise a kid like that you're going to have the most rebellious asshole of a child in the world, or one wracked by anxiety and fear of their own parents, crippled socially for a very long time.
It's things like these that makes me wish parents had much more support than they do when it comes to raising children. Things like free classes on how to properly dispense behavior management for different ages or children with different mental disorders, etc. etc. Sometimes things like these can be avoided with the right support and education and it makes me upset that people would rather just do whatever they think is best without at least considering the ramifications of it. Or consulting alternative methods. Something like that.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47893971]My childhood wasn't abusive, thanks.[/QUOTE] I would like to refer to this post [QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47893518]I was spanked on the buttocks with an open palm by my mother (and later father once I got older) when I fucked up. If I swore, they washed my mouth out with ivory soap.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;47893978]I never equated it to child abuse, I said that you will enjoy punishing your children - which is exactly (I would imagine) what this dad was doing when he uploaded this on the internet for all of his friends and family to see. Because he thought it'd be fun. I'm saying enjoying any kind of punishment on your children is bad, and you should feel bad for it. Punishment should never be fun. It's mean to teach a lesson, [I]not [/I]to make your children despise or fear you.[/QUOTE] I seriously doubt any kid would despise/fear a parent for [i]taking their cell phone charger[/i] as a form of punishment.
[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47893971]My childhood wasn't abusive, thanks.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;47893518]I was spanked on the buttocks with an open palm by my mother (and later father once I got older) when I fucked up. If I swore, they washed my mouth out with ivory soap. If I did something minor that didn't warrant being spanked they'd take away privileges like TV or video games.[/QUOTE] ????????
[QUOTE=Van-man;47893969]Forcibly cutting a grown child's hair isn't a mild punishment.[/QUOTE] "grown child" hair grows back. Whether you think so or not, and whether she thinks so or not, losing some hair isn't a big deal.
[QUOTE=Paramud;47893942]Feeling bad because your actions caused someone to commit suicide doesn't change the fact that [b]your actions caused someone to commit suicide[/b][/QUOTE] Okay, I'll cut your hair off and you can jump off a bridge, seems rationale to me. I myself would be responsible to your death. That seems perfectly fine, like there is literally nothing else happening in your life. No, there is more to this story we DO NOT KNOW. To blame a daughters death over something like that is fucking crazy.
[QUOTE=Van-man;47893969]Forcibly cutting a grown child's hair isn't a mild punishment.[/QUOTE] His view of "punishment" is pulling out a belt and smacking a kid's ass until it's covered in welts and bruises. By that standard, yeah, cutting hair is mild as shit. To the rest of the world, cutting hair is a pretty harsh punishment and beating your child's ass to the point of bruising and bleeding and broken skin is something that should have CPS knocking on your door.
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