• Delhi gang rapists sentenced to death
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Also, is Facepunch actually SUPPORTING the death penalty? Hold on while I look out the window and make sure the sky is still up there, and that the rivers aren't running red with blood.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42177110]Does the death penalty even deter crime?[/QUOTE] never has done, never will. people don't commit crimes with the intent of being caught.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42177609]Also, is Facepunch actually SUPPORTING the death penalty? Hold on while I look out the window and make sure the sky is still up there, and that the rivers aren't running red with blood.[/QUOTE]What rock have you been living under?
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;42177650]What rock have you been living under?[/QUOTE] Only the "didn't visit FP for several months straight" rock. It's a pretty big one. The last time I frequented SH, people would go absolutely fucking rabid at the mention of the death penalty. Cut me some slack.
[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;42177132]I thought a majority of Facepunch was against the death penalty? Or was I wrong?[/QUOTE] Facepunch is never very consistent in opinion. I for one think what they did was absolutely disgusting but it's a worse punishment to let them rot in jail(And they deserve that instead). You also need to realize that inprisonment is rehabilitation, not punishment, there's a reason countries with such a dogma have much less crime.
Their lives are forfeit, and no amount of arguing on a forum is going to change that.
[QUOTE=GoldenDargon;42177814]Their lives are forfeit, and no amount of arguing on a forum is going to change that.[/QUOTE] From what I've heard, even if they escape hanging, the crowd WILL lynch them. I'm guessing that the same fate awaits the teenage perp in juvie - he's gonna get killed in there, or he's gonna get killed when he goes out. Either way, their lives were forfeit from the moment they decided to rape her.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42177583]Quit flipping your engorged nips over a pack of animals being put down. As far as I'm concerned, and as far as any half-decent citizen should be concerned, they aren't humans any more, they're fucking walking sacks of scum. There is no excuse for doing that to someone, and there is no punishment that fits but death. They ended her life; they should have theirs ended, full stop, end of the story. They shouldn't be given jail terms, both because it would be letting them get away with it and because they would probably get ripped apart en route, or else while IN jail. I'm sure they ignored her pleas, so it's quite fitting that their own pleas should be ignored.[/QUOTE] this is why we have a justice system, so retributive nerds like you won't dehumanize somebody in order to justify killing them. look at it this way. they're not animals or monsters or demons, they are [I]human.[/I] they have families, they have friends, there are people that hated them in life, and there are people who loved them in life. [I]just like you, just like me, just like everybody.[/I] instead of saying that they're "walking bags of scum" (lol), we need to realize that something happened to these [I]PEOPLE[/I] that made them rape and murder somebody. we need to figure out why people do shit like this before it happens. killing people who do bad shit is like trying to use a thimble to empty out a bath tub instead of just turning off the tap.
death penalty is pretty much the government asserting that they own you, terrible. these guys should be getting some years of jail time and rehabilitation, but no. india is taking the lazy solution and just killing them like barbarians
I would rather give them a life sentence. The fear of death enables rapists to be concealing about their crime, most likely resorting to kidnapping, threatening, or murdering the victim.
[QUOTE=CoolKingKaso;42177961]I would rather give them a life sentence. The fear of death enables rapists to be concealing about their crime, most likely resorting to kidnapping, threatening, or murdering the victim.[/QUOTE] what would be the point in a life sentence? a fate even worse than a death penalty (especially in a place like india)? prison systems are meant for punishment, not for revenge. throwing someone in jail for life isn't going to punish them, it's going to give them severe mental illnesses and suicidal thoughts.
[QUOTE=Boaraes;42177606]You know exactly what I'm saying. Don't think you're being cheeky, because I explicitly said I know it wasn't appropriate and that it merely reminded me of the quote.[/QUOTE] So instead of being ignorant you were just being tactless - is that better or worse?
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;42177987]Um yeah it is actually better arguably. Torturing somebody for a confession has the potential to make an innocent person confess to a crime they didn't actually commit.[/quote] you could get somebody to legitimately believe that they're an antelope if you torture them hard enough torture is the worst
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;42177920]this is why we have a justice system, so retributive nerds like you won't dehumanize somebody in order to justify killing them. look at it this way. they're not animals or monsters or demons, they are [I]human.[/I] they have families, they have friends, there are people that hated them in life, and there are people who loved them in life. [I]just like you, just like me, just like everybody.[/I] instead of saying that they're "walking bags of scum" (lol), we need to realize that something happened to these [I]PEOPLE[/I] that made them rape and murder somebody. we need to figure out why people do shit like this before it happens. killing people who do bad shit is like trying to use a thimble to empty out a bath tub instead of just turning off the tap.[/QUOTE] Hitler had a family. Mussolini and Stalin had families. Not families that they were close with - it's highly unlikely that these assholes are that close to their families, either - but families none the less, so obviously they deserve sympathy, rite gaiz? No. You wouldn't defend any of them for murdering innocents just because they had families or because they liked crisps too or because they enjoy your brand of icecream as much as you do, that would be really, really, stupid. Regardless of what happened to them, it was their decision to rape her and rip her intestines out with an iron pipe, not society's decision or whatever excuse people like you always try to make for these people. Raping and murdering someone is bad enough, but adding torture to the mix? Nothing justifies that - not the longest jail term, not the highest amount of undeserved sympathy. In any case, you throwing a temper tantrum because I think they deserve it and bitching me out isn't going to change my opinion, and it isn't going to save them. If the court doesn't kill them, the crowd will. If the crowd doesn't kill them, some particularly bloodthirsty, mentally unstable citizen will, sooner or later. [editline]13th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Blind Lulu;42177987]Um yeah it is actually better arguably. Torturing somebody for a confession has the potential to make an innocent person confess to a crime they didn't actually commit.[/QUOTE] If they had actually been tortured for a confession, the defense would have put that shit on the table right from the start. This is the first they've mentioned it. It's a last desperate ploy to garner some much-needed public sympathy.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42177583]Quit flipping your engorged nips over a pack of animals being put down. As far as I'm concerned, and as far as any half-decent citizen should be concerned, they aren't humans any more, they're fucking walking sacks of scum. There is no excuse for doing that to someone, and there is no punishment that fits but death. They ended her life; they should have theirs ended, full stop, end of the story. They shouldn't be given jail terms, both because it would be letting them get away with it and because they would probably get ripped apart en route, or else while IN jail. I'm sure they ignored her pleas, so it's quite fitting that their own pleas should be ignored.[/QUOTE] Fuck yes, let's strip all humanity from them so we don't feel bad when we kill them! Let's push all the anguish and confusion we feel onto these men and call them nothing more than animals so we don't have to think about what could have driven them to this! Let's bury all of that with them and forget about it! you are one maladjusted individual [editline]13th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=D-Roy;42175561]Allowing a rapist to serve only 30 days in jail is any better? Especially when the victim committed suicide as a result? Can't forget about this: [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1307030[/url][/QUOTE] How is this even an argument? Wow, this other failure of justice exists - obviously the only option is to choose between one of the two
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42178088]Fuck yes, let's strip all humanity from them so we don't feel bad when we kill them! Let's push all the anguish and confusion we feel onto these men and call them nothing more than animals so we don't have to think about what could have driven them to this! Let's bury all of that with them and forget about it! you are one maladjusted individual[/QUOTE] But it's completely fine that THEY stripped someone of HER humanity, raped her, tortured her, and then as good as killed her, right? They'll be fine, as long as we REHABILITATE them!
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42177609]Also, is Facepunch actually SUPPORTING the death penalty? Hold on while I look out the window and make sure the sky is still up there, and that the rivers aren't running red with blood.[/QUOTE] btw you're saying this like FP has ever had a shred of integrity
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42177985]what would be the point in a life sentence? a fate even worse than a death penalty (especially in a place like india)? prison systems are meant for punishment, not for revenge. throwing someone in jail for life isn't going to punish them, it's going to give them severe mental illnesses and suicidal thoughts.[/QUOTE] You're definitely right about the conditions of a prison. I don't necessarily agree with their view, I just picked that decision based on their standard. Anyway, most inhabitants of society view the punishment differently. Being killed at the hands of another person is oddly worse than slowly suffering in an area.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42178114]But it's completely fine that THEY stripped someone of HER humanity, raped her, tortured her, and then as good as killed her, right? They'll be fine, as long as we REHABILITATE them![/QUOTE] Oop you got me, you read between the lines and yep, as you so succintly put, I'm actually a wholesale supporter of fatal gang rapes! Don't fucking put words into my mouth. It's true that I don't see any eventuality where these men would be able to be rehabilitated - if they weren't sentenced to death they'd be lynched within a week anyway, and while emotionally I'm not really sorry about that it's a shame that that's the case. I was talking more however about the rehabilitation of the rape culture - killing them won't help that cause in the slightest, the death penalty never has.
[QUOTE=The golden;42178216]They raped her, tore out her intestines, and then murdered her. Jail time, sure. But please tell me what you think rehab will do to a person that has gone that far. What will it actually accomplish in this situation? This is beyond a simple misjudgment or a poor choice.[/QUOTE] Isn't that the whole point? Why do you need to rehabilitate someone who made "a simple misjudgment or a poor choice"? This is exactly the case where it is applicable.
[QUOTE=The golden;42178216]They raped her, tore out her intestines, and then murdered her. Jail time, sure. But please tell me what you think rehab will do to a person that has gone that far. What will it actually accomplish in this situation? This is beyond a simple misjudgment or a poor choice.[/QUOTE] do you know what rehabilitation entails? it doesn't have to be just sitting with a therapist every once in a while, it could be a daily routine while in prison, but i guess that's never going to happen in a shithole like india at what point do we throw rehabilitation out the window? [I]where do we draw that line?[/I]
[QUOTE=The golden;42178216]They raped her, tore out her intestines, and then murdered her. Jail time, sure. But please tell me what you think rehab will do to a person that has gone that far. What will it actually accomplish in this situation? This is beyond a simple misjudgment or a poor choice.[/QUOTE] You're acting like jail time and rehabilitation are two completely different things
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42178225]Oop you got me, you read between the lines and yep, as you so succintly put, I'm actually a wholesale supporter of fatal gang rapes! Don't fucking put words into my mouth. It's true that I don't see any eventuality where these men would be able to be rehabilitated - if they weren't sentenced to death they'd be lynched within a week anyway, and while emotionally I'm not really sorry about that it's a shame that that's the case. I was talking more however about the rehabilitation of the rape culture - killing them won't help that cause in the slightest, the death penalty never has.[/QUOTE] [quote]Don't fucking put words into my mouth.[/quote] [quote=Generic Monk]Fuck yes, let's strip all humanity from them so we don't feel bad when we kill them! Let's push all the anguish and confusion we feel onto these men and call them nothing more than animals so we don't have to think about what could have driven them to this! Let's bury all of that with them and forget about it! you are one maladjusted individual[/quote] [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-2DBYr_Z1hfg/TzQEMQoSCpI/AAAAAAAAC7U/adKEI54v0zY/s320/IronyMeter1.gif[/img] [editline]13th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42178250]do you know what rehabilitation entails? it doesn't have to be just sitting with a therapist every once in a while, it could be a daily routine while in prison, but i guess that's never going to happen in a shithole like india at what point do we throw rehabilitation out the window? [I]where do we draw that line?[/I][/QUOTE] I dunno, maybe the point where they rip her fucking intestines out with an iron pipe.
strongbad, seriously stop trying to put yourself at a higher moral position than monk if you actually condone government sponsored murder of citizens prisoners still have human rights because well, [I]they haven't turned in to anything else.[/I] they are still human regardless of what they have previously done no matter how terrible. i understand the knee jerk response but the prison system is not for revenge
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42178308]strongbad, seriously stop trying to put yourself at a higher moral position than monk if you actually condone government sponsored murder of citizens prisoners still have human rights because well, [I]they haven't turned in to anything else.[/I] they are still human regardless of what they have previously done no matter how terrible. i understand the knee jerk response but the prison system is not for revenge[/QUOTE] Actually, considering that this is India we're talking about, being locked up in one of their shithole prisons would probably make them wish they were dead. Regardless, I'm not deliberately putting myself at a higher moral position - that's his job with his "they deserve to live" view - but I am sure as shit defending my view that they deserve the death penalty.
yeah responding to his very much valid posts with zany and wacky reaction gifs is really defending your stance well
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42177583]Quit flipping your engorged nips over a pack of animals being put down. As far as I'm concerned, and as far as any half-decent citizen should be concerned, they aren't humans any more, they're fucking walking sacks of scum. There is no excuse for doing that to someone, and there is no punishment that fits but death. They ended her life; they should have theirs ended, full stop, end of the story. They shouldn't be given jail terms, both because it would be letting them get away with it and because they would probably get ripped apart en route, or else while IN jail. I'm sure they ignored her pleas, so it's quite fitting that their own pleas should be ignored.[/QUOTE] you are literally telling me that human rights can and should be subverted and worked around by "any half-decent citizen." that's exactly what you're saying. well let me spell it out for you why you're wrong, and everyone who agrees with you is wrong: that's a fucking evil thing to say. like, oh my god, that's completely maniacal. humans rights exist for a REASON dude, if you can just say "oh well their not humans anyway derp de derp" as it becomes convenient to yourself, then what the fuck kind of arbitrary, retarded line in the sand are you drawing to separate yourself from the criminals? why is it right when you dehumanize and kill people, but not when they do literally the exact same fucking thing? what is the actual difference? let me ask you something. you ever notice how the kinds of sociopaths who commit these crimes never care about their victims in the slightest bit? sounds obvious... right?
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42178339]Actually, considering that this is India we're talking about, being locked up in one of their shithole prisons would probably make them wish they were dead. Regardless, I'm not deliberately putting myself at a higher moral position - that's his job with his "they deserve to live" view - but I am sure as shit defending my view that they deserve the death penalty.[/QUOTE] This is not some type of excuse for murdering them.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42178370]yeah responding to his very much valid posts with zany and wacky reaction gifs is really defending your stance well[/QUOTE] I thought it made a nicer point than saying "Do you realize how hilariously ironic your words are?"
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42178402]I thought it made a nicer point than saying "Do you realize how hilariously ironic your words are?"[/QUOTE] they aren't ironic at all though [editline]13th September 2013[/editline] your response was a lazy one and that's all there is to say. instead of explaining why his posts are contradictory you just posted a stupid image
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