[QUOTE=Strongbad;42177583]Quit flipping your engorged nips over a pack of animals being put down. As far as I'm concerned, and as far as any half-decent citizen should be concerned, they aren't humans any more, they're fucking walking sacks of scum. There is no excuse for doing that to someone, and there is no punishment that fits but death. They ended her life; they should have theirs ended, full stop, end of the story. They shouldn't be given jail terms, both because it would be letting them get away with it and because they would probably get ripped apart en route, or else while IN jail. I'm sure they ignored her pleas, so it's quite fitting that their own pleas should be ignored.[/QUOTE]
something is definitely wrong with you.
though there really is no reason to do that to someone, it is not true that they "are not even human beings and should be put down."
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42179398]No shit. Obviously it isn't going to do anything for them until people like you stop trying to treat the poor wikkel murdering rapists nicely.[/QUOTE]
well since you lack objective evidence for this assertion, i've got no choice but to assume that you're wrong until you can prove otherwise. but, hey, you just go on thinking that the government that apparently tortures people is simply being too kind.
[QUOTE=Cone;42179507]well since you lack objective evidence for this assertion, i've got no choice but to assume that you're wrong until you can prove otherwise. but, hey, you just go on thinking that the government that apparently tortures people is simply being too kind.[/QUOTE]
'And now you fall back on the "THEY WUR TORCHHURRED" defense. Despite the fact that I already pointed out it's bullshit, because this is the first they've mentioned it. They would have had that shit on the board from the beginning if they had actually been tortured.
[QUOTE=SirDavid255;42179503]something is definitely wrong with you.[/QUOTE]
thats a little unfair, what these men did was absolutely horrifying and you can hardly blame him for being upset and angry about it.
as i said in another thread when someone was calling for the death penalty for a rapist
[QUOTE=fulgrim;42172623]before anyone jumps in calling this guy barbaric and bloodthirsty, the term you are looking for is "understandably upset".
Many people i know have had their lives utterly ruined by sex offenders- every single time the offender has gotten away with it and every single time they dont show a shred of remorse, hell the guy who attacked my girlfriend still taunts her if he passes her in the street, and another friend of mine had half her friendship circle turn on her because the guy just spread around she was a lying slut.
i know its easy to look at posts like this and just think "hey look at this vindictive asshole out for blood!" but you have to understand how this kind of shit affects some people, ofc they are angry ofc they are going to have revenge in mind, don't judge them too harshly.[/QUOTE]
you are on a forum, you do not have to post your knee-jerk stupid responses. it is not comparable to someone that was actually closely affected by the incident in real life
I wont shed a tear when they die, but im still against the death penalty in all forms.
Dunno why this is getting winners. Even if you agree with the idea of the death penalty, do you really trust the Indian justice system enough to be assured that these people were certainly not innocent?
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42179732]you are on a forum, you do not have to post your knee-jerk stupid responses. it is not comparable to someone that was actually closely affected by the incident in real life[/QUOTE]
how do you know he hasn't been affected by such an incident in real life?
there's no need to start calling people stupid because they don't agree with you, i get that you are against the death penalty and if I'm honest, so am I, but there are other reasons people might support it than ignorance.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;42179813]how do you know he hasn't been affected by such an incident in real life?
there's no need to start calling people stupid because they don't agree with you, i get that you are against the death penalty and if I'm honest, so am I, but there are other reasons people might support it than ignorance.[/QUOTE]
i'm willing to listen to someone if they actually give reasons that aren't more than ignorance. again, you aren't obliged to post stupid knee jerk responses online. anything you post is your responsibility and any backlash because of it is solely your fault. if it really is a knee jerk response, then those people should apologize for posting without thinking
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;42179847]i'm willing to listen to someone if they actually give reasons that aren't more than ignorance. again, you aren't obliged to post stupid knee jerk responses online. anything you post is your responsibility and any backlash because of it is solely your fault. if it really is a knee jerk response, then those people should apologize for posting without thinking[/QUOTE]
So basically what you're saying is "Anyone who disagrees with my opinion, which is indisputably right, is an ignorant dumbass posting stupid kneejerk responses." This is ignorance and hypocrisy in their purest forms.
[QUOTE=Generic Monk;42178003]So instead of being ignorant you were just being tactless - is that better or worse?[/QUOTE]
How did ignorance play into what I said? All I said is that I was reminded of a quote and you attempted to be cheeky and completely miss my point.
It is my opinion that some people should not live. That is all I am saying. It isn't being tactless -- I'm not going to be considerate to people who rape and mutilate innocent people. I feel they do not deserve my compassion, and that's that. You can disagree and whine at how inconsiderate I am towards monsters, but my position still stands.
[QUOTE=Boaraes;42181036]How did ignorance play into what I said? All I said is that I was reminded of a quote and you attempted to be cheeky and completely miss my point.
It is my opinion that some people should not live. That is all I am saying. It isn't being tactless -- I'm not going to be considerate to people who rape and mutilate innocent people. I feel they do not deserve my compassion, and that's that. You can disagree and whine at how inconsiderate I am towards monsters, but my position still stands.[/QUOTE]
It is tactless because believing you can arbitrarily judge who should live and who shouldn't is a terrible fucking opinion.
[editline]13th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42180712]So basically what you're saying is "Anyone who disagrees with my opinion, which is indisputably right, is an ignorant dumbass posting stupid kneejerk responses." This is ignorance and hypocrisy in their purest forms.[/QUOTE]
Pot calling the kettle black.
[editline]13th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42179262]I didn't say that killing dudes and violating human rights is necessary in any way, shape or form. I said that punishment is necessary, contradicting your earlier statement. That being said, yes, it is necessary to kill some of these bastards in the worst cases, both because it's justice to do so and because it will scare anyone else who may consider doing this. They'll think twice about raping someone to death if they know they might get a well-deserved long drop with a short stop for it.[/QUOTE]
No what you need to prove is that punishment and the death penalty actually deter crime.
[editline]13th September 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42179467]"deathpenaltyinfo.org"
Seems legit :v:
[editline]13th September 2013[/editline]
Regardless, these stats are from America, not India.[/QUOTE]
That info IS legit and at least he posted a source. Something which you have failed to do to prove your claim so there's no good reason for anyone to listen to your uneducated dribble. And so what if it's from America? Do Americans breed different kinds of rapists than Indians?
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42181223]It is tactless because believing you can arbitrarily judge who should live and who shouldn't is a terrible fucking opinion.
[editline]13th September 2013[/editline]
Pot calling the kettle black.
[editline]13th September 2013[/editline]
No what you need to prove is that punishment and the death penalty actually deter crime.
[editline]13th September 2013[/editline]
That info IS legit and at least he posted a source. Something which you have failed to do to prove your claim so there's no good reason for anyone to listen to your uneducated dribble. And so what if it's from America? Do Americans breed different kinds of rapists than Indians?[/QUOTE]
No, dear, but you see, America doesn't have a massive problem with rapists like India does.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42181398]No, dear, but you see, America doesn't have a massive problem with rapists like India does.[/QUOTE]
umm sorry to burst your bubble [I]my fellow american[/I], but that is in fact not correct:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States[/url]
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42181398]No, dear, but you see, America doesn't have a massive problem with rapists like India does.[/QUOTE]
It's still a pretty big problem.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42181398]No, dear, but you see, America doesn't have a massive problem with rapists like India does.[/QUOTE]
why are you so averse to thinking that you'll even just chalk rape up as an 'indian problem'
[QUOTE=SirDavid255;42176748] Killing is so wrong that we kill people who kill people because killing people is wrong.[/QUOTE]
Violence at times is the only way to end violence
That and the fucking fact that they raped her and ripped out her intestines. If the government didn't sentence them to death then there would be a good chance someone would go and waste them.
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;42181717]Violence at times it the only way to end violence
That and the fucking [B]fact that they raped her and ripped out her intestines[/B]. If the government didn't sentence them to death then there would be a good chance someone would go and waste them.[/QUOTE]
Why are you assuming this is a fact? India is a pretty messed up place, I personally don't hold much faith in the indian justice system and while I'm in no way implying they are wrong, I wouldn't be surprised to see that maybe one of the guys were innocent or something :v:
[editline]13th September 2013[/editline]
Also, why do people who want to bring the worse punishment upon the criminals think death is the worst penalty of them all? I'd rather die than spend 10 years in prison myself.
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;42181717]there would be a good chance someone would go and waste them.[/QUOTE]
Why do you say this as though it should be the norm?
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;42181765]Why are you assuming this is a fact? India is a pretty messed up place, I personally don't hold much faith in the indian justice system and while I'm in no way implying they are wrong, I wouldn't be surprised to see that maybe one of the guys were innocent or something :v:
[/QUOTE]
Alright, I fucked up there and apologize.
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;42181717]
[U][B]That and the fact that they have been found guilty[/B][/U] of raping that poor girl and ripping out her intestines.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=AK'z;42181791]Why do you say this as though it should be the norm?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]a case which led to violent protests across India and new laws against rape.[/QUOTE]
Shit was getting violent as it was, it would of escalated a good chunk had they not have been found guilty.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;42181223]It is tactless because believing you can arbitrarily judge who should live and who shouldn't is a terrible fucking opinion.[/QUOTE]
opinions are subjective, my friend
I'm not fond of the death penalty, believe me. However, I just can't bring myself to think "Yeah, these people should live." That's just not how I see things. I'm the inconsiderate one because I don't think monsters like them should live? They raped and brutally murdered a woman and I'm the inconsiderate one? I'm sorry but that's backwards as fuck.
I understand your viewpoint on how people's lives shouldn't be judged willy-nilly, but given the circumstances it's, in my opinion, not inappropriate to believe they deserve death. You can tell me I'm just as bad as them all you want. If feeling justice was served is equally as awful as raping and butchering a woman, then I honestly don't know what to say.
[QUOTE=Strongbad;42179221]And now, you're resorting to the absolute last tool in the arsenal - yelling for me to prove a fact. [/QUOTE]
i think that says something about you when proving your assertions is the "last tool" lol
[QUOTE=jiggu;42177760]Facepunch is never very consistent in opinion. I for one think what they did was absolutely disgusting but it's a worse punishment to let them rot in jail(And they deserve that instead). You also need to realize that inprisonment is rehabilitation, not punishment, there's a reason countries with such a dogma have much less crime.[/QUOTE]
Then they probably would have to keep them in solitary confinement for the rest of their lives, due to the risk of getting killed by other prisoners. Hell, that's why they kept them away from everyone else since day one that this happened.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;42179797]do you really trust the Indian justice system enough to be assured that these people were certainly not innocent?[/QUOTE]
The only reason I have to oppose the death penalty is the fact that all Justice systems are flawed and make giant mistakes regularly.
[QUOTE=Auto Taco;42186184]Then they probably would have to keep them in solitary confinement for the rest of their lives, due to the risk of getting killed by other prisoners. Hell, that's why they kept them away from everyone else since day one that this happened.[/QUOTE]
No, they weren't - [URL="http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/delhi-gangrape-main-accused-ram-singh-found-hanging/article4496333.ece"]the main accused succesfully managed to kill himself by hanging while the other inmates in his cell were asleep.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Cone;42176782]you seem to not realize how badly the government is overstepping its bounds by killing people, and that's far more important than any supposedly just punishment could ever be. how can you possibly oppose PRISM but not this?
[editline]13th September[/editline]
i wonder how many people who support the death penalty also want the government to impose less on its citizens[/QUOTE]
Fuck that, cocksuckers like these are well beyond ANY rehabilitation.
And yeah, I want the government to impose less on their citizens, I also want these fucks dead.
Whats your fucking point Cone?
Why are you guys even arguing about this? If it's 100% proven that they're the rapists then your argument about death penalty killing innocent people might as well disappear (at least in this thread).
Call me backward, but I think you're the backward ones if you try to defend perpetrators the whole time especially if they did something as fucked up as this.
And don't give me that crap how life in prison is worse than death, since death is p much the human's worst fear.
[QUOTE=Cone;42175558]so according to Facepunch the government has the right to torture and kill its citizens, but not to monitor them
[editline]13th September[/editline]
[I]"The government has too much power. Maybe if we give them control over life and death they'll start listening to us!"[/I][/QUOTE]
If people vote for their representatives who have death penalty in their program, then PEOPLE have chosen for the death penalty to be in effect. In other words if a law is supported by the public it's a social agreement that for this and that you get this or that.
Now I don't remember Obama having "we're gonna spy on our citizens on pretty much everything they do". It was done without people's consent.
There's what people chose and there's what the government did behind their back. It's not the government killing people if it was decided by the public. It is however the government spying on people if it's done without their knowledge and consent.
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;42187514]death is p much the human's worst fear.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for this, friend. I thought I was afraid of a nest of spiders, but now I have discovered the [i]true fear[/I].
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;42187514]If it's 100% proven that they're the rapists then your argument about death penalty killing innocent people might as well disappear (at least in this thread).[/QUOTE]
Except it's never 100% proven.
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