Back From The Dead: How the Public Option Went From DOA to Alive & Kicking
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[QUOTE=TH89;18043524]That doesn't make any sense at all
Do you know what a margin for error is?[/QUOTE]
Ah I'm sorry and I do know what a margin of error is and I realize that the wording of that sentence is rather shoddily put together. I'll fix it when I get the chance.
[QUOTE=Anteep2;18041613]get with the times america you fucking idiots[/QUOTE]
Is making anti-American posts all you ever do?
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18043581]Right.
So it cost you $270 to fix a problem with your toe.
Say you'd shattered your foot like I had. Now, how much do you reckon that would cost.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing close to a $2000 or $3000 without insurance. I'd have to ask some questions to be really accurate.
[QUOTE=evilking1;18043588]
What the fuck almost 300$ for a 10-minute job.[/QUOTE]
It was close to an hour. And back in the UK it felt like they were..."procrastinating" over cutting it out. I was a stressed and clueless 15 year old at the time and my mom was "It's what the Doctor says. It has to work."
[QUOTE=Black-Ice;18042636]Welcome to 1950.[/QUOTE]
The shittiest years of anyone country who is the province of the soviet union
Communism is the dumbest policital structure ever made.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;18042593]*points to the place north of the American border...* Anymore questions?[/QUOTE]
because canadians are just oh so unhappy with free health care
[QUOTE=M_B;18044147]because canadians are just oh so unhappy with free health care[/QUOTE]
Double edged sword eh!
[QUOTE=McSanchez;18037110]It's just one more step towards a socialist police state. :downs:[/QUOTE]
Have a box
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;18043705]I'm guessing close to a $2000 or $3000 without insurance. I'd have to ask some questions to be really accurate.
It was close to an hour. And back in the UK it felt like they were..."procrastinating" over cutting it out. I was a stressed and clueless 15 year old at the time and my mom was "It's what the Doctor says. It has to work."[/QUOTE]
Now. Compare that 2000 and 3000 dollars to it being free.
How can you disagree with this?
yeah too bad it's gonna be opt-out and the only states that will have it will be the west coast and new england
Doctors don't want to be paid minimum wage, so they will leave. There will be a shortage of doctors and that's where the wait comes from. If they'd stop leaving, waiting times would be reduced greatly.
I'm all for that.
Obama sending money to Africa for abortions and wanting to euthanize the old seems a bit too extreme.
What if you have a brain tumor with a 1:10 chance of survival? With our current system, people will continue treatment (if they choose) and either live or die. In Obama's world, you are unfit and therefor you must be euthanized to save money.
/rant
[QUOTE=CrazyMoron;18048826]Doctors don't want to be paid minimum wage, so they will leave. There will be a shortage of doctors and that's where the wait comes from. If they'd stop leaving, waiting times would be reduced greatly.[/QUOTE]
who said that doctors are going to be paid minimum wage under a public option?
[QUOTE=CrazyMoron;18048826]
Obama sending money to Africa for abortions and wanting to euthanize the old seems a bit too extreme.
What if you have a brain tumor with a 1:10 chance of survival? With our current system, people will continue treatment (if they choose) and either live or die. In Obama's world, you are unfit and therefor you must be euthanized to save money.
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lol you're just making shit up now
[QUOTE=CrazyMoron;18048826]Doctors don't want to be paid minimum wage, so they will leave. There will be a shortage of doctors and that's where the wait comes from. If they'd stop leaving, waiting times would be reduced greatly.
I'm all for that.
Obama sending money to Africa for abortions and wanting to euthanize the old seems a bit too extreme.
What if you have a brain tumor with a 1:10 chance of survival? With our current system, people will continue treatment (if they choose) and either live or die. In Obama's world, you are unfit and therefor you must be euthanized to save money.
/rant[/QUOTE]
So what you're trying to say is.
You don't understand Obama's healthcare reforms?
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;18042249]I'd rather not have the government decide whats good for me and I don't want to pay for other peoples darn healthcare.[/QUOTE]
hurf durf, sounds like someone doesn't know what the PUBLIC OPTION means
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[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;18042271]If I want to pay for someone else's healthcare, I'll volunteer to do it. I don't want somebody else forcing me to do it.[/QUOTE]
If I want to pay for someone to use a sewer, I'll volunteer to do it. I don't want somebody else forcing me to do it.
[editline]10:48PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;18042593]*points to the place north of the American border...* Anymore questions?[/QUOTE]
Yeah I got a question
what's your point?
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18045220]Now. Compare that 2000 and 3000 dollars to it being free.
How can you disagree with this?[/QUOTE]
The real question is how much more you had to pay in taxes for that "free" care.
[editline]04:49PM[/editline]
I'm not advocating for private insurance either.
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;18043099]What.
Okay.
You are wrong.
I've met people FROM Canada who've come down to the US because they're delayed into oblivion and got tired of [b]WAITING[/b] in the Canadian system and came down to the US to get it DONE so they can carry on with their lives without the hassle of their injuries.
My older brother met a guy on his flight from the UK to here, this guy left the UK to get treatment for a knee surgery he had in the UK that went completely wrong. Got tired of [b]waiting.[/b]
That's the disaster with a Nationalized Health Care system. You get absolutely obscene delays and waiting periods for treatments you can get snippity snap here.[/QUOTE]
I have more anecdotal evidence giving the contrary. So in a way, I beat you.
And btw, I am part of that anecdotal evidence.
[editline]10:50PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;18043312]I was responding to another post saying:
That statement there is simply not true. From my experience at least.[/QUOTE]
Your experience of being retarded?
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[QUOTE=KestasLT;18043798]The shittiest years of anyone country who is the province of the soviet union
Communism is the dumbest policital structure ever made.[/QUOTE]
That's funny you imply the Soviet union is communist and that communism is a political system
lol you have no clue, do you?
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[QUOTE=CrazyMoron;18048826]Doctors don't want to be paid minimum wage, so they will leave. There will be a shortage of doctors and that's where the wait comes from. If they'd stop leaving, waiting times would be reduced greatly.
I'm all for that.
Obama sending money to Africa for abortions and wanting to euthanize the old seems a bit too extreme.
What if you have a brain tumor with a 1:10 chance of survival? With our current system, people will continue treatment (if they choose) and either live or die. In Obama's world, you are unfit and therefor you must be euthanized to save money.
/rant[/QUOTE]
Are you on meth?
[QUOTE=CrazyMoron;18048826]Doctors don't want to be paid minimum wage, so they will leave. There will be a shortage of doctors and that's where the wait comes from. If they'd stop leaving, waiting times would be reduced greatly.
I'm all for that.
Obama sending money to Africa for abortions and wanting to euthanize the old seems a bit too extreme.
What if you have a brain tumor with a 1:10 chance of survival? With our current system, people will continue treatment (if they choose) and either live or die. In Obama's world, you are unfit and therefor you must be euthanized to save money.
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1) Doctors won't get paid any minimum wages, here the average toe sticher get $8,5k/month and with some experience you usually get +$10k. I don't say that that's any minimum wage.
2) It's not like they leave you untreated if you are under some 1/10 odds of living. They might prioritize you, say that you are 91 years old waiting for multiple organ transplant, well, not going to happen. But you can always pay up and get what you need.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18049075]Are you on meth?[/QUOTE]
yes
he is
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18045220]Now. Compare that 2000 and 3000 dollars to it being free.
How can you disagree with this?[/QUOTE]
I disagree with it because its not "free."
You pour money into that system with large taxes on just about everything else.
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[QUOTE=Trotsky;18049075]
Your experience of being retarded?
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Way to go.
[quote]I had an ingrown toenail for over a year (February 2005 to June 2006 ) . All I was given were these stupid little anti-biotic's which did nothing to stop the infection. This was while I was living in the UK.
I went out to the US on holiday to see my Dad. My Dad saw that, took me to the Doc he looked at it 4 days later he numbed up my feet and cut out the ingrown nail. 2 weeks later I no longer had that fucking infection in my toe which was caused by the ingrown nail.
TL;DR in my case it got solved in 2 weeks and 4 days vs a 1 year and a bit.[/quote]
[img_thumb]Jerk.[/img_thumb]
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;18049845]I disagree with it because its not "free."
You pour money into that system with large taxes on just about everything else.
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Yes, like education, culture, and god forbid infrastructure.
[QUOTE=evilking1;18049950]Yes, like education, culture, and god forbid infrastructure.[/QUOTE]
You missed it. With a nationalized health system you need to raise taxes on everything else in order to pay for it.
Living under one I know and understand, you get used to the government sponging your money away in dozens of small ickle taxes that seriously add up.
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;18050080]You missed it. With a nationalized health system you need to raise taxes on everything else in order to pay for it.
Living under one I know and understand, you get used to the government sponging your money away in dozens of small ickle taxes that seriously add up.[/QUOTE]
Well naturally, I thought that it was obvious that to get money you need to tax shit.
And it's not like the healthcare is going to cost like 10% of what you earn.
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;18050080]You missed it. With a nationalized health system you need to raise taxes on everything else in order to pay for it.
Living under one I know and understand, you get used to the government sponging your money away in dozens of small ickle taxes that seriously add up.[/QUOTE]
They also mean not paying massive amounts of money for health insurance
Since I'll be lucky to pull a triple-digit salary in my lifetime that doesn't seem like such a bad deal to me
[QUOTE=TH89;18050709]They also mean not paying massive amounts of money for health insurance
Since I'll be lucky to pull a triple-digit salary in my lifetime that doesn't seem like such a bad deal to me[/QUOTE]
To me, it wouldn't be as bad if individuals could opt out; which would be an administrative nightmare.
Currently, I have the option to not buy insurance at all if I don't want to. Obama is working on taking away that choice though.
Just because most people care about their health doesn't mean everyone should be forced to. If I want to be a fat, lazy slob and not have health insurance that's my choice. I wouldn't be infringing on anyone else's rights by doing so. I'm a big boy, I can take responsibility for myself.
I don't recall seeing people being forced to have healthcare in Obama's plan.
and Gubbinz, if you have something else besides a anecdote, which I kind of doubt ever happened in the first place, then please present it.
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;18050080]You missed it. With a nationalized health system you need to raise taxes on everything else in order to pay for it.
Living under one I know and understand, you get used to the government sponging your money away in dozens of small ickle taxes that seriously add up.[/QUOTE]
What would you prefer, a small trickle of taxes that may build up over the years, or a broken leg that you cannot afford to have treated, preventing you from doing work.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18051569]I don't recall seeing people being forced to have healthcare in Obama's plan.
and Gubbinz, if you have something else besides a anecdote, which I kind of doubt ever happened in the first place, then please present it.[/QUOTE]
He said it during a speech in September. He wants all Americans buy private health insurance. Something about non-insured people being a burden or something stupid.
[editline]07:58PM[/editline]
Found the transcript.
[quote]
And that's why under my plan, individuals will be required to carry basic health insurance -- just as most states require you to carry auto insurance.[/quote]
[url]http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-to-a-Joint-Session-of-Congress-on-Health-Care/[/url]
[editline]07:59PM[/editline]
One of the biggest differences between health insurance and car insurance is that I don't have to drive a car; therefore I don't have to buy insurance. Obama wants people to buy health insurance simply because they're alive, with no way to opt out.
Obama administration is holding a contest for the best pro-reform videos. The winner is gonna be on TV, this one is pretty awesome.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ibgn4L6xAw[/media]
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;18043505]US population: 304,059,724
Polish population: 38,482,919
I had an ingrown toenail for over a year (February 2005 to June 2006 ) . All I was given were these stupid little anti-biotic's which did nothing to stop the infection. [b]This was while I was living in the UK.[/b]
I went out to the US on holiday to see my Dad. My Dad saw that, took me to the Doc he looked at it 4 days later he numbed up my feet and cut out the ingrown nail. 2 weeks later I no longer had that fucking infection in my toe which was caused by the ingrown nail.
TL;DR in my case it got solved in 2 weeks and 4 days vs a 1 year and a bit.
[img_thumb]The real health care reform in the US is getting the fucking lawyers and states out of everyones else's business.
I'm done here. I'm not going to waste any more time trying to fight everyone's arguments or cases, have fun.[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
This story makes no sense what so ever. First of all, treatment for an ingrown toenail is not antibiotics, it's cutting it out. I don't understand why you'd think it would do such a thing.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18051569]
and Gubbinz, if you have something else besides a anecdote, which I kind of doubt ever happened in the first place, then please present it.[/QUOTE]
With my case?
Do you really, [i]seriously[/i] want to see pictures of my toes after the treatment?
:v:
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;18051924]What would you prefer, a small trickle of taxes that may build up over the years, or a broken leg that you cannot afford to have treated, preventing you from doing work.[/QUOTE]
You get treated first then you get the bill. Then that's when you wish you had some form of insurance plan set up much like how you described.
But then again...What you said, the scenario...Doesn't make that much sense...Out here your employer has to give you some kind of insurance...Depending on the company you're working with. You're given a choice whether you want to be under the company plan or your own plan set up with the insurance company you picked before hand. Preexisting conditions not taken into account (like Diabetes or Epilepsy) that can have an affect on how much your coverage costs with whomever you're with. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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[QUOTE=thisispain;18053617]This story makes no sense what so ever. First of all, treatment for an ingrown toenail is not antibiotics, it's cutting it out. I don't understand why you'd think it would do such a thing.[/QUOTE]
Well that's what they did to me.
vvv
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;18043705]- back in UK it felt like they were..."procrastinating" over cutting it out. I was a stressed and clueless 15 year old at the time and my mom was "It's what the Doctor says. It has to work."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;18052817]He said it during a speech in September. He wants all Americans buy private health insurance. Something about non-insured people being a burden or something stupid.
[editline]07:58PM[/editline]
Found the transcript.
[url]http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Remarks-by-the-President-to-a-Joint-Session-of-Congress-on-Health-Care/[/url]
[editline]07:59PM[/editline]
One of the biggest differences between health insurance and car insurance is that I don't have to drive a car; therefore I don't have to buy insurance. Obama wants people to buy health insurance simply because they're alive, with no way to opt out.[/QUOTE]
And your problem with having health care is...
[editline]02:48AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;18053623]With my case?
Do you really, [i]seriously[/i] want to see pictures of my toes after the treatment?
:v:
You get treated first then you get the bill. Then that's when you wish you had some form of insurance plan set up much like how you described.
But then again...What you said, the scenario...Doesn't make that much sense...Out here your employer has to give you some kind of insurance...Depending on the company you're working with. You're given a choice whether you want to be under the company plan or your own plan set up with the insurance company you picked before hand. Preexisting conditions not taken into account (like Diabetes or Epilepsy) that can have an affect on how much your coverage costs with whomever you're with. Correct me if I'm wrong.
[editline]07:39PM[/editline]
Well that's what they did to me.
vvv[/QUOTE]
do you want to see pictures of my Uncle's body after having AIDS eat away at it.
Oh did I mention he was denied necessary coverage? and had to move to Canada to get the treatments?
[editline]02:49AM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;18053623]
Well that's what they did to me.
vvv[/QUOTE]
So some 15 year old now has more medical knowledge then a doctor?
wow.
You are retarded.
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