• Back From The Dead: How the Public Option Went From DOA to Alive & Kicking
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[QUOTE=Trotsky;18053742] So some 15 year old now has more medical knowledge then a doctor? wow. You are retarded.[/QUOTE] :crossarms: Let me put this in nice big bold letters. [b]THEY. DID. NOT. TREAT. THE. FUCKING. TOE. PROPERLY. I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING, I HAD NO SAY, I TRUSTED [i]THEM.[/i][/b] [img_thumb]At the time anyway.[/img_thumb] [b]IT'S WHAT, [highlight]THEY. THE DOCTORS.[/highlight] RECOMMENDED TO [highlight]MY MOTHER[/highlight] AT THE FUCKING TIME, AND IT STAYED LIKE THIS FOR OVER A FUCKING YEAR.[/b] And my case GOT SOLVED in less than a damned month when I was out HERE, the US on freaking holiday. God Almighty, Trotsky, what the actual fuck. Did you [i]read[/i] my posts or even understand or comprehend some of the context and gist of them? Fucking hell.
Hm, your toe is minuscule next to my Uncle almost dying. you lose the anecdote contest, I'm afraid. That was a medical decision the doctors made. and in the end, you never got the full story of why they didn't heal it anyway. My Uncle was denied because of preexisting conditions. And even so, he wouldn't have been able to afford it anyway. [editline]03:20AM[/editline] This is, of course, assuming you're even telling the truth. Or the whole truth.
Isolated incidents? In [i]my[/i] universal healthcare?
EGADS one sketchy tale of an infected toe. that must mean the whole system is TERRIBLE
[QUOTE=Trotsky;18054405]Hm, your toe is minuscule next to my Uncle almost dying.[/quote] Was I ever comparing me big toe to your uncle? It's just something that happened to me. [quote]you lose the anecdote contest, I'm afraid. [/quote] There was even a contest? :raise: [quote]This is, of course, assuming you're even telling the truth. Or the whole truth.[/QUOTE] I am telling the truth.
What's your point? universal healthcare has... gasp problems?
One time, I got ripped off while buying a cheeseburger. This means capitalism as a system completely fails and we must all become communist. [editline]08:19PM[/editline] aka one bad incident doesn't mean the whole system is flawed.
Insurance companies won't reform without a public option. If we do the public trigger, their millions of lawyers will find ways to delay and prevent it.
Usually I'm not all for big government or government interference with business, but there are limits. There comes a time where something has to be done. The oil companies are screwing everyone over, they are an oligopoly. Something must be done. The economy is still stacked like a house of cards. Something must be done. Our trade defects are astronomical. Something must be done. A good chunk of our government's spending defects went strait into people's pockets without doing anything useful. Something must be done. Then there's healthcare. Why the fuck are there people that go to emergency rooms, stay less than a day and get billed tens of thousands of dollars? Why the fuck does a hospital charge 50$ for a band-aid and 200$ for the professional service of a registered nurse to apply it? Why the fuck (and this happened to me TWICE in the last 3 months) do people have health coverage until the very moment they make a claim? (they literally pretended that I never had coverage when we called about it) Why the fuck do these companies get away with it? Because doing something about companies like this screwing everyone out of billions of dollars every year would cost the taxpayers too much? I'm not all for socialized healthcare. But the way our system works right now we're paying top dollar for average service and very often we're getting screwed. Something has to be done. If it means some of these greedy motherfuckers going out of business and ending up living in cardboard boxes they had it coming.
[QUOTE=Bean-O;18056223]Usually I'm not all for big government or government interference with business, but there are limits. There comes a time where something has to be done. The oil companies are screwing everyone over, they are an oligopoly. Something must be done. The economy is still stacked like a house of cards. Something must be done. Our trade defects are astronomical. Something must be done. A good chunk of our nation's defects went strait into people's pockets without doing anything useful. Something must be done. Then there's healthcare. Why the fuck are there people that go to emergency rooms, stay less than a day and get billed tens of thousands of dollars? Why the fuck does a hospital charge 50$ for a band-aid and 200$ for the professional service of a registered nurse to apply it? Why the fuck (and this happened to me TWICE in the last 3 months) do people have health coverage until the very moment they make a claim? (they literally pretended that I never had coverage when we called about it) Why the fuck do these companies get away with it? Because doing something about companies like this screwing everyone out of billions of dollars every year would cost the taxpayers too much? I'm not all for socialized healthcare. But the way our system works right now we're paying top dollar for average service and very often we're getting screwed. Something has to be done. If it means some of these greedy motherfuckers going out of business and ending up living in cardboard boxes they had it coming.[/QUOTE] I would agree with you but your previous words really hurt. Ehh why not.
But it's SOCIALISM and we'll all end up living in government provided quarters and having to wait an hour every morning for our food rations.
sounds fun make that into a park and you got a fucking goldmine [editline]09:52PM[/editline] 1984land
[QUOTE=Bean-O;18056223]Usually I'm not all for big government or government interference with business, but there are limits. There comes a time where something has to be done. The oil companies are screwing everyone over, they are an oligopoly. Something must be done. The economy is still stacked like a house of cards. Something must be done. Our trade defects are astronomical. Something must be done. A good chunk of our nation's defects went strait into people's pockets without doing anything useful. Something must be done. Then there's healthcare. Why the fuck are there people that go to emergency rooms, stay less than a day and get billed tens of thousands of dollars? Why the fuck does a hospital charge 50$ for a band-aid and 200$ for the professional service of a registered nurse to apply it? Why the fuck (and this happened to me TWICE in the last 3 months) do people have health coverage until the very moment they make a claim? (they literally pretended that I never had coverage when we called about it) Why the fuck do these companies get away with it? Because doing something about companies like this screwing everyone out of billions of dollars every year would cost the taxpayers too much? I'm not all for socialized healthcare. But the way our system works right now we're paying top dollar for average service and very often we're getting screwed. Something has to be done. If it means some of these greedy motherfuckers going out of business and ending up living in cardboard boxes they had it coming.[/QUOTE] Fully agreed. Is government the solution to everything? No, but it's the only entity capable of going up against the health care cartel. IMO, the government has a duty to protect the lives of it's citizens, and life and death is what this issue truly boils down to. Under the current system, if you don't have money, you die. If you do have money, they bleed it all out of you and your family before you die. You purchase outrageously expensive insurance to prevent this, but then you discover the whole industry is built around not paying out and providing the service it's customers pay for.
[QUOTE=McSanchez;18056356]But it's SOCIALISM and we'll all end up living in government provided quarters and having to wait an hour every morning for our food rations.[/QUOTE] This is something that bugs me about both sides of the debate. There are a lot of theatrics. Very little real honest thought involved. (don't get me wrong, I know you're joking) Most people recognize a problem. A solution is brought up. It has flaws, it steps on a lot of toes, but it's a solution. So it becomes a huge freaking issue. People on both sides start participating in massive theatrics. Those in favor of socialized medicine try to claim that we're in the stone ages because we're not all over the idea despite the massive flaws with the way they're going to implement it. Those against it start mouthing off about socialism and how public healthcare is the difference between freedom and slavery. Neither side really listens to the other. Then they come up with a simpler approach, this whole public option deal. It is more moderate, I for one could probably live with it if they don't cock it up too bad. (and if they do, no one will opt for it, which is where this idea really shines) but people have carried the stigma of the last debate over to this one. Where are the politicians? Voting on party lines of course. Heaven forbid more than 10 or 20 of them have opinions of their own. They have lobbyists to please. It really is business as usual, despite what the Obama administration promised (huge surprise there).
[QUOTE=Gubbinz96;18043270]You successfully managed to distort and misread my post. Congratz. And the Canadian I met had a broken arm and came here because she was on waiting periods of up to 3 to 4 months back in Canada and just got sick of waiting. And just for the record, my older brother is one of those liberal types. Like you. But not stupid.[/QUOTE] Ha, 3 to 4 months for a broken arm. That would have hit [i]international[/i] news if it was true, since leaving a break untreated for that long has a good chance of causing gangrene and/or death. Are you sure she wasn't lying? People do that, you know.
[QUOTE=McSanchez;18056356]But it's SOCIALISM and we'll all end up living in government provided quarters and having to wait an hour every morning for our food rations.[/QUOTE] Yeah, meals on wheels for everybody.
yay just what we need ontop of our taxes, more taxes 2 pay for health care im sure the 11 tril debt we have wont get in the way just print more moneY
[QUOTE=Armotekma;18057723]yay just what we need ontop of our taxes, more taxes 2 pay for health care im sure the 11 tril debt we have wont get in the way just print more moneY[/QUOTE] Actually you are just printing more money, the reason $US is going down the shitter. The cost of healthcare really isn't that much compaired to 11 trillion dollars...
[QUOTE=Armotekma;18057723]yay just what we need ontop of our taxes, more taxes 2 pay for health care im sure the 11 tril debt we have wont get in the way just print more moneY[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Canada#Canadian_health_care_in_comparison]Hey, look at how much you're already spending on healthcare, and then compare it to countries that have universal healthcare.[/url] You are now informed. Thanks for playing.
[QUOTE=evilking1;18057738]Actually you are just printing more money, the reason $US is going down the shitter. The cost of healthcare really isn't that much compaired to 11 trillion dollars...[/QUOTE] the mroe debt the betteR
To be honest, Bean-O is the most rational poster in this thread so far. :munch:
[QUOTE=Armotekma;18057785]the mroe debt the betteR[/QUOTE] Typing like that isn't helping you.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;18057661]Ha, 3 to 4 months for a broken arm. That would have hit [i]international[/i] news if it was true, since leaving a break untreated for that long has a good chance of causing gangrene and/or death. Are you sure she wasn't lying? People do that, you know.[/QUOTE] I'm going to skip a step and say there was no women. [editline]12:36PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Armotekma;18057723]yay just what we need ontop of our taxes, more taxes 2 pay for health care im sure the 11 tril debt we have wont get in the way just print more moneY[/QUOTE] u didnt read muche into this diD u???
[QUOTE=M_B;18049717]yes he is[/QUOTE] I don't fucking care if you're a gold member, don't speak for me. On topic: I do not advocate nor do I indulge in drug use.
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