• 2 Billion Year Old Water Found
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perhaps a better way to approach the issue would be "I don't understand how they measured this, can anyone explain?" as opposed to "I doubt these scientists, there's no way it's that old, it must have been replaced." im not being aggro, im refuting his claim that the scientists must somehow be mistaken most people who are unsure about things go "I don't understand this" not "I think this thing is a lie :downs:" and start insulting people who do understand it
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51538541]are you a hydrologist? to keep this quick i'll answer for you no, you are not what, then, qualifies you to look at a picture of water that hydrologists have measured to be 2 billion years old and go "yeah doubt it heh"[/QUOTE] You know what, last post. You don't know me. I can tell you love being an armchair-whatever, that's fine. What's not fine is your attitude, i did nothing to provoke your fragile little ego. Sincerely, go fuck yourself. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Flaming" - Pascall))[/highlight]
get a grip i questioned your credentials, i wanted to know from what position you were casting doubt on scientists' claims about a thing they specialize in knowing about and you immediately began dishing out insults and having a fit its literally these peoples' job to know things about water so i think its funny you are doubting them based on a gut feeling stemming from ignorance
You're both absolutely crapping up this thread. Take it to private messages or comments. Its not anyone else's fault that there seems to be a complete failure here on how to properly talk with other people.
imagine having in your event log a ban in a thread called "2 Billion Year Old Water Found"
[QUOTE=elevate;51538587]imagine having in your event log a ban in a thread called "2 Billion Year Old Water Found"[/QUOTE] Ban reason: Backseat hydrologisting
[QUOTE=Riller;51538619]Ban reason: Backseat hydrologisting[/QUOTE] "Backseat Bobby Boucher" Bring me some two billion year old Gatorade, then i'll be interested.
they should bottle it and sell it as premium evian water [editline]16th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=shian;51538440]Evian is gonna start bottling it and sell it in supermarkets[/QUOTE] HOLY shit how can I be ninja'd and still used the same brand name. I dont even buy fucking Evian!
[QUOTE=Firecat;51538764]its 2016 years old why do u think thats the date[/QUOTE] Almost 2017 years now!
[QUOTE=Bordellimies;51538778]Almost 2017 years now![/QUOTE] Happy Birthday Earth!
[QUOTE=Firecat;51538764]its 2016 years old why do u think thats the date[/QUOTE] Wait I thought that's how old America is?
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;51538451]Throw some gold flakes in it, call it artisan and charge people $75,000/750mL[/QUOTE] Nah, that costs too much to produce. They'll use tap water and put three drops of this old water in each bottle just to justify the label.
[QUOTE=TestECull;51538865]Nah, that costs too much to produce. They'll use tap water and put three drops of this old water in each bottle just to justify the label.[/QUOTE] Dilute it a thousand times to make it more potent
[QUOTE=Levelog;51538830]Wait I thought that's how old America is?[/QUOTE] and here i've been told that's how old cheeseland is what is this insanity
[QUOTE=Recurracy;51538959]and here i've been told that's how old cheeseland is what is this insanity[/QUOTE] Wisconsin? Nah, it's only 168.
"Everything about the water is brand new" :wideeye: Wonder if it tastes like regular bottled water then :v:
[QUOTE=SirJon;51538544]imagine that water was there before hl2 came out[/QUOTE] and it will still be there after hl3 comes out jk hl3 is never coming out
I immediately thought they cut a chunk of ice from an iceberg.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51538453]This is a bullshit title, most if not all water on earth is billions of years old.[/QUOTE] I don't know if this is a joke post, but h2o regularly gets split by photosynthesis, the citric acid cycle in all aerobic organisms, as well as a bunch of other things I'm too lazy to read up on. If h2o never split, it wouldn't be too useful.
Just by the way if the water had dried out all of those trace elements they are talking about would have come out of solution. Either the water is indeed that old or it was an even more unlikely coincidence that all of those trace elements were present in the correct ratios by some other unknown mechanism. In order for the time estimate to be accurate the scientists most likely had a good understanding of the process by which these elements go into solution. Im not entirely sure how they would get information on the atmosphere from this water however, im no geologist but this deep down that water could have pretty much been down there forever, no? I know that in the kola superdeep borehole they found water that originated from the minerals, and that had never seen the surface. I would assume that if water never reaches the surface it wont have contact with the atmosphere either.
[QUOTE=EskillV2;51538395]Huh, weird to think that the water didn't dry out or got replenished by a water source. But i doubt that water is actually 2 billion years old.[/QUOTE] Thankfully we have an expert here to calm down the riffraff with their degrees and education.
[QUOTE=Omali;51541068]Thankfully we have an expert here to calm down the riffraff with their degrees and education.[/QUOTE] Can we stop bringing this up?
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51538541]are you a hydrologist? to keep this quick i'll answer for you no, you are not what, then, qualifies you to look at a picture of water that hydrologists have measured to be 2 billion years old and go "yeah doubt it heh"[/QUOTE] I just googled a bit and given that entire continents have come and gone since 2 billion fucking years ago I dare say that I have a hard time imagining some pocket or water hasn't interacted with any other water over the span of 2 billion fucking years. [img]http://i.imgur.com/YAWERAK.gif[/img][img]http://i.imgur.com/as00j0p.gif[/img] This is earth now and 750 million years ago. Look at all those displaced landmasses, I don't believe that any body of water could remain pure for just that period so 2 billion years are definitely hard to believe. All the clever water scientist are saying is that they have found a brand new kind of water giving them readings they have never seen before, which is cool and all but given that we can barely map out the properties of water as a substance I find it hard to believe we can reliably establish the age of a vault of water, let alone that far back.
if only there was some sort of article that could detail the way they determined the age. Then there wouldn't be any arguments!
i doubt that its actually 2 billion years old as well incoming flamewar part 2? [editline]16th December 2016[/editline] the method used seems like a VERY rough estimator and by no means definitive proof
[QUOTE=Levelog;51538830]Wait I thought that's how old America is?[/QUOTE] You are soooooooo wrong. America started in July 4, 1776, therefore, it would be 240 years old right now, you uneducated pig. :) [SP]it's a joke it's a joke it's a joke[/SP]
[QUOTE=kaskade700;51541257]I just googled a bit and given that entire continents have come and gone since 2 billion fucking years ago I dare say that I have a hard time imagining some pocket or water hasn't interacted with any other water over the span of 2 billion fucking years. [img]http://i.imgur.com/YAWERAK.gif[/img][img]http://i.imgur.com/as00j0p.gif[/img] This is earth now and 750 million years ago. Look at all those displaced landmasses, I don't believe that any body of water could remain pure for just that period so 2 billion years are definitely hard to believe. All the clever water scientist are saying is that they have found a brand new kind of water giving them readings they have never seen before, which is cool and all but given that we can barely map out the properties of water as a substance I find it hard to believe we can reliably establish the age of a vault of water, let alone that far back.[/QUOTE] [url]http://mn.water.usgs.gov/nawqa/redn/rpts/gwage.pdf[/url] They largely base the estimation based on mineral content and the like. Of course it's still a pretty big spitball in the dark, but never the less it's an important find regardless of its true age. The fact that people are getting into flaming one another over the age of some water seriously hurts my head.
[QUOTE=kaskade700;51541257]I just googled a bit and given that entire continents have come and gone since 2 billion fucking years ago I dare say that I have a hard time imagining some pocket or water hasn't interacted with any other water over the span of 2 billion fucking years. [img]http://i.imgur.com/YAWERAK.gif[/img][img]http://i.imgur.com/as00j0p.gif[/img] This is earth now and 750 million years ago. Look at all those displaced landmasses, I don't believe that any body of water could remain pure for just that period so 2 billion years are definitely hard to believe. All the clever water scientist are saying is that they have found a brand new kind of water giving them readings they have never seen before, which is cool and all but given that we can barely map out the properties of water as a substance I find it hard to believe we can reliably establish the age of a vault of water, let alone that far back.[/QUOTE] Well, the ages shown are not representative of the age of the rock in all places. Near the surface, age of rock varies tremendously. Strata lower, as those sampled here, range as far back as ~4 billion years ago. There is a fair amount of this rock in the north central US. We can pretty effectively describe the properties of water, there's a shitload of research in this area. Water is complex stuff. We're talking about measuring dissolved gasses and looking at isotope ratios. If the water is trapped in a non reactive tomb, with at most gasses from the era, how would it be?
[QUOTE=Map in a box;51541474]i doubt that its actually 2 billion years old as well incoming flamewar part 2? [editline]16th December 2016[/editline] the method used seems like a VERY rough estimator and by no means definitive proof[/QUOTE] I mean, one billion, two billion, few million, it's still old as hell.
[URL="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v497/n7449/full/nature12127.html"]This[/URL] is how they dated the samples. The rocks that the samples were found in are themselves 2.7 billion years old, so it's hardly unimaginable that the water trapped in them could be billions of years old. They measured the ratios of various isotopes in the water and determined that the water has not interacted with the surface for 1.5 billion years (or 2 billion years in the latest example). I don't fully understand it myself, but I trust that the people with degrees and doctorates on the topic do, and that they know what they're doing. It's a bit embarrassing to see people with absolutely no knowledge on the topic come and cast doubt on the findings of people who have spent literal decades studying it.
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