Shooting reported at Purdue University, IN. One injured, suspect in custody.
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[QUOTE=darunner;43624844]Because the BBC has never gotten it wrong before.
[video=youtube;zWAvHnfJsOQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWAvHnfJsOQ[/video][/QUOTE]
I reckon they've buggered up less times then there's been school shooting in America.
Edit:
I've had a look, because i didn't want to have proof to back it up, and it's actually hard to find a list of known BBC news mistakes..
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43623571]holy shit lmao
you [I]actually[/I] believe the NRA rhetoric[/QUOTE]
If it's true, shouldn't you believe it despite rhetoric?
[QUOTE=darunner;43624844]Because the BBC has never gotten it wrong before.
[video=youtube;zWAvHnfJsOQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWAvHnfJsOQ[/video][/QUOTE]
debunked again
blast!
[editline]22nd January 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=BFG9000;43624921]If it's true, shouldn't you believe it despite rhetoric?[/QUOTE]
would you believe the rhetoric of anti-semitism if I could find a jewish loanshark?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43625049]
would you believe the rhetoric of anti-semitism if I could find a jewish loanshark?[/QUOTE]
No? That's apples and oranges, realistically speaking public shooters are more likely to hit gun free zones than normal areas.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;43625089]No? That's apples and oranges, realistically speaking public shooters are more likely to hit gun free zones than normal areas.[/QUOTE]
but they're gun free zones because of the shooters to begin with?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43625133]but they're gun free zones because of the shooters to begin with?[/QUOTE]
Which only shows that the incompetent know-nothings that make up the anti-gun portion of the Democrats make useless, knee jerk legislation that solves no problems, gets us no where and is just plain dumb.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;43625209]Which only shows that the incompetent know-nothings that make up the anti-gun portion of the Democrats make useless, knee jerk legislation that solves no problems, gets us no where and is just plain dumb.[/QUOTE]
Are you a republican by chance sir?
I would like to say yes but I'm more of a centrist now
[QUOTE=BFG9000;43625253]I would like to say yes but I'm more of a centrist now[/QUOTE]
Our work here is done.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43625286]Our work here is done.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradualism[/url]
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43623965]riddle me this
why doesn't this happen in any other western countries that have banned firearms?[/QUOTE]
Depends how you perceive it. My judge of firearm laws working isn't so much lowered firearm deaths(including suicide), but rather a judge of the type of firearms in active usage in the criminal underworld.
Australia is always my favorite example of this, but lets try to be reasonable.
Australia's gun ban was enacted about 20'ish years ago, and from 1996 to 2014, crime has not decreased, but actually increased by a small margin. Sure firearm crime and suicide has decreased, but overall crime has not.
I'd also like to bring to the point that currently Australia is seeing an increase in organized outlaw motorcycle gang activity which is driving for an increase in the production of contraband items to aid those motorcycle gangs. With the recent anti-bikie laws(discrimination 101 laws), we are going to see an increase of tradesman losing their jobs for having minor or some affiliations to biker gangs, and from that we might see an increase of tradesman joining the ranks of these gangs, and using their skills to manufacture contraband items in order to keep a roof over their house, and their families fed.
With these men and women's unique skills we may see an increase in local variant of the Luty pattern machine pistol, and maybe see the use of explosives. Their was reports of explosives being found in some bikie gang members houses, but that's just reports.
Please note that [url=http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/firearms-and-pill-press-machine-linked-to-mongols-bikie-gang/story-fnhocxo3-1226798409867]evidence is coming online to provide that the Bikie Gangs are manufacturing their own weapons, medications, and lockpicks[/url] and that with the widespread availability of information on the internet, its really an impossible fight to win.
My personal belief is that their needs to be a perfect balance with firearm laws that justify the right to self defense and life itself, and the ability to keep guns out of the wrong hands. With the current situation in Australia, I fear it might be too late to deal serious blows to remove automatic firearms from circulation in the Black Market, but if they lessened restrictions on semi-automatic, pump action, and other long rifles, they may be able to counter-balance the need for the bikie gangs to manufacture these weapons in the first place, therefore removing actual implements of war from the streets of Australia.
[quote=The Economist]Opponents of gun controls may respond with familiar flurries of statistics. In Hartford, for instance, several pro-gun demonstrators cited the same talking point, claiming (falsely) that home invasion rates soared in Australia after that country banned the most powerful forms of guns in 1996, following a mass shooting. Actually, home break-in and robbery rates have fallen sharply in Australia since 1996, as have gun-death rates, with no corresponding rise in other forms of homicide.
The most recent Australian crime statistics may be found here ([url]http://www.aic.gov.au/documents/0/B/6/%7B0B619F44-B18B-47B4-9B59-F87BA643CBAA%7Dfacts11.pdf[/url]), and set out the historical trends clearly.[/quote]
It didn't increase at all.
Well I am still a conservative minded libertarian, and looking back I never really agreed with the republicans on many social issues anyway
I just side with them most of the time because of economic policy and pro life
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43625348]It didn't increase at all.[/QUOTE]
Can't see that PDF by the way, mind providing a link to the Economist?
From the statistics I have seen though it really hasn't decreased either. It still remains where it was in 1996. The only thing which truly has decreased is suicide, and that's another can of worms that really I don't feel like opening into.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;43625372]Can't see that PDF by the way, mind providing a link to the Economist?
From the statistics I have seen though it really hasn't decreased either. It still remains where it was in 1996. The only thing which truly has decreased is suicide, and that's another can of worms that really I don't feel like opening into.[/QUOTE]
Sure
[url]http://www.economist.com/blogs/lexington/2013/03/guns-and-mentally-ill[/url]
[QUOTE=darunner;43624373]Like Mexico?[/QUOTE]
Mexico is in a completely different situation. Look at countries that are more similar to the US but don't have guns and then you'll find plenty of good examples.
In countries like Mexico, most of the crimes exist because of financial reasons, or because of a lack of education, etc etc (people stealing because they need money, kids getting involved with crime). In countries like the US, where poverty is still a real problem but not as much as in Mexico, you have a lot more crimes of a psychological nature, like school shooters and such
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43625379]Sure
[url]http://www.economist.com/blogs/lexington/2013/03/guns-and-mentally-ill[/url][/QUOTE]
Danke. But yeah from the document I am seeing, their was a small decrease in homicide, but a large increase in assault, sexual assault, and kidnapping an abduction. Granted its slowly coming down, but it really does bring that whole, "Go from gun to fist or knife"
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43624049]but if factories don't make guns then the amount of guns in circulation drops over time[/QUOTE]
Firearms can remain functional for a ridiculously long amount of time. Even if you were to shut down a bunch of gun manufacturers, the total amount of guns out there would take ages to dwindle, even with people like collectors buying them up.
[QUOTE=iFail;43625492]Firearms can remain functional for a ridiculously long amount of time. Even if you were to shut down a bunch of gun manufacturers, the total amount of guns out there would take ages to dwindle, even with people like collectors buying them up.[/QUOTE]
ammunition doesn't
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43622833]*if this happens in America - meh freedoms[/QUOTE]
Bullshit. You have one kid shoot another over some petty vendetta or gang activity and it reaches national news because OMG SCHOOL SHOOTING. Meanwhile, every day people are murdered, raped, robbed all across the country, both with and without firearms, and the same thing happens in the UK too, but it barely reaches local news because it's business as usual.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43623965]riddle me this
why doesn't this happen in any other western countries that have banned firearms?[/QUOTE]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico]How's Mexico working out?[/url]
What other countries have had large concentrations of guns, thriving black markets, and are relatively well-developed? [url=http://www.npr.org/blogs/parallels/2013/09/19/224043848/the-u-s-has-more-guns-but-russia-has-more-murders]How about Russia?[/url]
At least nobody's tried to use Australia and insist that the US would work exactly the same way yet.
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[QUOTE=NoDachi;43625509]ammunition doesn't[/QUOTE]
The only people who burn through ammunition at a high rate are enthusiasts and sport shooters. There is so, so much ammunition already in the country, available as surplus, that an outright ban on the sale of ammunition would take decades if not [i]centuries[/i] to try up.
[QUOTE=iFail;43625492]Firearms can remain functional for a ridiculously long amount of time. Even if you were to shut down a bunch of gun manufacturers, the total amount of guns out there would take ages to dwindle, even with people like collectors buying them up.[/QUOTE]
That's why you'd have programs to turn your weapons in for money, for example
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43625509]ammunition doesn't[/QUOTE]
Not sure why he's getting dumbs, sounds like a good point to me
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43625509]ammunition doesn't[/QUOTE]
obviously
but ammunition manufacturers won't stay afloat without the civilian market, and without ammunition manufacturers, the police and military might as well be unarmed. I realize that that isn't the case with the UK, but that's because most of the arms manufacturers there are either tiny, or they're BAE, which is large enough to survive off military contracts alone. In the states basically no arms companies can get away with that.
[QUOTE=catbarf;43625568]Bullshit. You have one kid shoot another over some petty vendetta or gang activity and it reaches national news because OMG SCHOOL SHOOTING. Meanwhile, every day people are murdered, raped, robbed all across the country, both with and without firearms, and the same thing happens in the UK too, but it barely reaches local news because it's business as usual. [/quote]
Did you even read the thread?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;43622398]In the last 10 years, Canada has had 6 school shootings.
In the last 10 years, Europe has had 9 school shootings.
The past year alone, the USA has had 28 school shootings.[/QUOTE]
[quote][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Mexico]How's Mexico working out?[/url][/quote]
[QUOTE=NoDachi;43624554]Thanks for reminding me.
70% of the guns used in Mexico are smuggled in from the USA.
I'm sure their entire country would appreciate it too.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43625414]Mexico is in a completely different situation. Look at countries that are more similar to the US but don't have guns and then you'll find plenty of good examples.
In countries like Mexico, most of the crimes exist because of financial reasons, or because of a lack of education, etc etc (people stealing because they need money, kids getting involved with crime). In countries like the US, where poverty is still a real problem but not as much as in Mexico, you have a lot more crimes of a psychological nature, like school shooters and such[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;43625612]If the United States stops selling ammunition, sellers would go out of business, go elsewhere
wildlife hunting (which is necessary to cull the population and is fun) wouldn't ever happen
all that tax money income from ammo sales would be gone[/QUOTE]
Wildlife hunting with firearms still happens in the UK without a massive ammunition industry.
It's also really not nearly as hard to machine ammunition as it is the firearms that shoot them.
But that's a whole different can of worms.
[QUOTE=slamex;43625241]Are you a republican by chance sir?[/QUOTE]
The anti-gun portion of the democrats IS made up of knee jerk and useless legislation.
They're not banning anything useful, only things to make the population feel better. They're banning things like "assault weapons" which are literally the exact same as their "hunting" variants, only they look more ~spooky scary~. In california, for instance, we need to have
[t]http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/California%20Rifles%20U-15%20Stock/U-15Rifle-M4.jpg[/t]
on all our rifles. Why? Because we can't have pistol grips. Even though it does nothing to stop crime with said rifles, pistol grips make the rifle an assalt weapon- which is illegal. For some reason.
[QUOTE=catbarf;43625568]The only people who burn through ammunition at a high rate are enthusiasts and sport shooters. There is so, so much ammunition already in the country, available as surplus, that an outright ban on the sale of ammunition would take decades if not [i]centuries[/i] to try up.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gradualism[/url]
[QUOTE=Mbbird;43625648]It's also really not nearly as hard to machine ammunition as it is the firearms that shoot them.
But that's a whole different can of worms.[/QUOTE]
It's pretty darn hard to make a non-jamming or even slightly reliable round without prefabed pieces and powder mixtures.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;43625648]It's also really not nearly as hard to machine ammunition as it is the firearms that shoot them.
But that's a whole different can of worms.[/QUOTE]
I can't find the article.
But the BBC ran how the whole machine ammunition thing in the UK has saved so many lives because home made ammo generally sucks and are less lethal.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43625587]That's why you'd have programs to turn your weapons in for money, for example
Not sure why he's getting dumbs, sounds like a good point to me[/QUOTE]
First of all, turning in firearms for cash or coupons or whatever they do nowadays is not going to be a one size fits all solution.
These programs target a very small demographic, basically, poor people with firearms that don't know what to do with them.
In order to be willing to turn in potentially valuable weapons (especially once prices rise due to fear of anti-gun legislation), one must be pretty financially desperate. Even then, the demographic of people participating in gun-buybacks isn't going to include violent criminals, since they'd just use their weapons in crimes to get paid.
Also, a lot of the stuff the police buy back as "weapons" are useless, inert, or just plain crappy. Useful weapons will stay on the market, as always.
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