With Windows 10, Microsoft could move to a subscription-based model
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Windows 7 was released in 2009, and Win8 in 2012. This is a three year gap. To not see a price increase on this model we would have to be paying about ~$5.55 a month to get to this $200 price at the end of the OS life cycle.
Which is ~$66.66 a year.
A one time fee is much easier to manage than a fucking subscription. Especially because we all know that they're not going to start charging LESS than $5.55/month with a subscription model, which would be the current norm assuming you don't by the Ultimate version of the OS. (and lets be honest, the Pro version is really all you need 99% of the time, unless you REALLY need those language packs I guess?)
Not only this but if we throw in the upgrade prices that we usually see for people on previous OS's when the new one comes out, there is really even less of a reason to think this subscription based service is a good idea.
I already don't buy into subscriptions, what makes Microsoft think i'm going to start with them?
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Maybe if it was an optional, pay for it over time system then sign me up.
Otherwise No Microsoft, no you can keep your Windows 10 and never mention a word of its existence ever again.
if windows 10 turns out to be the next windows 7, and windows 11 turns out to be shit, you'll probably end up paying way more for 10 while waiting to upgrade than you would have paying a lump sum.
this is assuming microsoft continues the shit OS->good OS->shit OS cycle
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(I love how the uploader took the time to have it displaying the Wikipedia page of the SP3 with the exact same image of the SP3 repeating, though)[/QUOTE]
Epic zing. The Surface product line just netted a revenue of around $1b last quarter, which means that it's now a fairly respectable product line, at least regarding size.
But did it make any profit on that revenue? Microsoft took a write-down of $1b just over a year ago for surplus Surface RTs, so they're definitely most probably not in the clear right now. Overall, they've probably taken a fairly sizable loss.
Point being, hardware isn't Microsoft bread and butter in any way. And I really love the Surface devices.
[QUOTE=grumble;46679270]if windows 10 turns out to be the next windows 7, and windows 11 turns out to be shit, you'll probably end up paying way more for 10 while waiting to upgrade than you would have paying a lump sum.
this is assuming microsoft continues the shit OS->good OS->shit OS cycle[/QUOTE]
It's assuming extremely dumb things.
Knowing ms and how bad they are at releasing updates, I don't think this would be a good deal.
The RT line was a horrible idea from the beginning. It's like if the Ipad Mini were a more locked down and shit Ipad that had the same name. The RT device was destined to fail IMO. Especially because it held the same name as a product that is literally a laptop stuffed into a tablet body.
Can't wait for Linux based OSes that are as simple as Windows for the normal person.
I'll always keep a Windows 8.1 CD on me if this were the case since I know I still have one, this'll help me survive the Winblows 10 apocalypse.
[QUOTE=draugur;46679258]Windows 7 was released in 2009, and Win8 in 2012. This is a three year gap. To not see a price increase on this model we would have to be paying about ~$5.55 a month to get to this $200 price at the end of the OS life cycle.
Which is ~$66.66 a year.
A one time fee is much easier to manage than a fucking subscription. Especially because we all know that they're not going to start charging LESS than $5.55/month with a subscription model, which would be the current norm assuming you don't by the Ultimate version of the OS. (and lets be honest, the Pro version is really all you need 99% of the time, unless you REALLY need those language packs I guess?)[/QUOTE]
Office 365 personal is $7/month and the version of office 2013 with all the same features is $519, or ~74 months of office 365 by which time there will almost definitely be a new version of office out. If you wanted the cheapest barebones version of office 2013 it'd be ~20 months, but it's still not terrible. For some people a small fee per month is much more manageable than a large one-time fee anyhow, so there's at least no harm in having the option.
[sp]This is also using monthly, if you do yearly you get an extra 17% discount per month which means ~89 months for equivalent product or ~24 months for most barebones equivalent, ~43 months for the midground[/sp]
I'd rather learn how to use Linux, thanks but no thanks
[QUOTE=Elspin;46679226]What? Isn't it completely and totally the opposite? My ex actually had to install apps for her ipod touch on windows back in the day because apple was going to charge her for a minor OS update, and itunes wouldn't update without it, which wouldn't get apps without it, etc. It was like version hell with a pay wall[/QUOTE]
It changed. The past 2 updates have been free, like ios itself.
So how's SteamOS coming along these days?
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;46679322]So how's SteamOS coming along these days?[/QUOTE]
Stalled, for the most part
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;46679228]why not? what if its cheaper? you just don't like the idea of paying a fee every month?[/QUOTE]
Actually it's because it fucking wont be. Even if I paid $200 and the subscription fee was $5, I'd be paying more after 3.3 years. I've been using Win7 since maybe around a month after release, which'll be six years ago in a few months. Assuming I like Win10 enough to stick with it, if I paid $5 a month for as long, that'd be $360. That's $160 more than I'd be paying if I just bought a product and used it that long instead of a service. And that's worse case scenario on pricing of the product and a pretty damn good scenario for subscription because we're talking about Microsoft, here.
I mean if they want to make subscription an optional way to pay, go for it. I'm sure it's a great thing for college students and the like, but don't try to [I]force[/I] it onto people that have no use for it and will ultimately cost them more in the long run.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;46679169]if it's priced right i don't care tbh. i'd much rather pay £40 a year for the ever shortening lifespan of the OS (assuming we get to upgrade to the next one for free) than shell out £120 or whatever in one payment
it has worked for UE4, it's working well for Photoshop (especially in big businesses). no reason it can't work here[/QUOTE]
Software =/= OS
Software is optional and generally has alternatives. You really can't do anything practical on a computer without an OS, windows being one of the most popular and/or necessary to use for certain software. It would be annoying.
UE4's subscription model is OK because it's a catchless opt-out. If you decide that your SDK is "good enough for now" or you cant afford to renew you can cancel your subscription and be on your merry way while still being able to use UE4. I still don't bother with Photoshop because subscriptions are just downright annoying to manage and there are comparable alternatives to PS.
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;46679322]So how's SteamOS coming along these days?[/QUOTE]
SteamOS was a turd that kinda started rolling only to find itself in the bottom of a valley.
I often gut my windows and build it back up heavily customized but if they even think for one second a subscription model is going to work they are very wrong.
People are just going to crack it and get it working the same as they have for all the other versions.
I'm so sick of every fucking company making products have bills.
i can think of two scenarios where this would be shit
1)
major security hole is found in win10, they patch it, but they push out the updates to the paying customers first then to the free people, leaving us non-buying plebs with major holes because we choose to or can't afford to pay monthly update-fees
2)
they restrict features and prevent us from doing things we already can do on earlier OS's, this is the freemium approach and also is terrible
[QUOTE=gk99;46679337]Actually it's because it fucking wont be. Even if I paid $200 and the subscription fee was $5, I'd be paying more after 3.3 years. I've been using Win7 since maybe around a month after release, which'll be six years ago in a few months. Assuming I like Win10 enough to stick with it, if I paid $5 a month for as long, that'd be $360. That's $160 more than I'd be paying if I just bought a product and used it that long instead of a service. And that's worse case scenario on pricing of the product and a pretty damn good scenario for subscription because we're talking about Microsoft, here.[/QUOTE]
that's your choice that you're using an old OS. with the subscription model you'd automatically get the latest version, so you'd have gotten windows 7, windows 8, and windows 8.1 for the same monthly fee. if they release a new version every 3 years (which is around what they do) then you'd actually break even at $5 a month. thats assuming they even charge that much, since the article seems to imply they will charge less than that.
also, some university students get microsoft for free. i havent paid anything to microsoft in the last 5 years, thanks to dreamspark.
if you dont like windows then move to linux with me, the only reason ive found to still use windows is for photoshop/lightroom, since i havent found an alternative for them. i just dont think this plan is nearly as bad as you guys are making it out to be.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;46679169]if it's priced right i don't care tbh. i'd much rather pay £40 a year for the ever shortening lifespan of the OS (assuming we get to upgrade to the next one for free) than shell out £120 or whatever in one payment
it has worked for UE4, it's working well for Photoshop (especially in big businesses). no reason it can't work here[/QUOTE]
Seeing as windows gets released every 3 years, 40 pounds a year would be quite a scam.
[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;46679322]So how's SteamOS coming along these days?[/QUOTE]
Has no AMD drivers at all, so it sucks on the PC I tried to install it on.
[QUOTE=draugur;46679165]Please don't. That would make me have to be on Win7 forever. I don't want to become one of those "XP Forever!" plebians.[/QUOTE]
Windows 8.1 isn't that bad - just install classic shell and untick everything but the start menu in the setup
I already have enough subscription stuff, I think Ill pass since I dont want more. Install linux or get one of them Macs - I hear they have free updates
I have a paid, licensed copy of Windows 7, even got that stupid serial number sticker. And that was a choice I made, could have brought the computer without an OS.
But if Windows 10 is subscription based, I [I]will[/I] be pirating it.
Because fuck that...
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[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;46679396]that's your choice that you're using an old OS. with the subscription model you'd automatically get the latest version, so you'd have gotten windows 7, windows 8, and windows 8.1 for the same monthly fee. if they release a new version every 3 years (which is around what they do) then you'd actually break even at $5 a month. thats assuming they even charge that much, since the article seems to imply they will charge less than that.[/QUOTE]
And if I don't want the latest version?
I've skipped 8 because it offers absolutely nothing that matters to my usage case, and somehow managed to break a few things. I skipped vista for quite a while because it was a buggy bloated mess.
I'm not going to worry until it's officially confirmed, what Turner said was really damn vague and this article is just sensationalizing it by spouting theories on what he could have meant.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;46679169]if it's priced right i don't care tbh. i'd much rather pay £40 a year for the ever shortening lifespan of the OS (assuming we get to upgrade to the next one for free) than shell out £120 or whatever in one payment
it has worked for UE4, it's working well for Photoshop (especially in big businesses). no reason it can't work here[/QUOTE]
You already have to pay monthly bills for TV, cell phone plans, the internet, netflix, and all kinds of other shit.
Why should we be paying a monthly fee to use an operating system? That's like a monthly fee for the computer itself.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;46679396]that's your choice that you're using an old OS. with the subscription model you'd automatically get the latest version, so you'd have gotten windows 7, windows 8, and windows 8.1 for the same monthly fee. if they release a new version every 3 years (which is around what they do) then you'd actually break even at $5 a month. thats assuming they even charge that much, since the article seems to imply they will charge less than that.
also, some university students get microsoft for free. i havent paid anything to microsoft in the last 5 years, thanks to dreamspark.
if you dont like windows then move to linux with me, the only reason ive found to still use windows is for photoshop/lightroom, since i havent found an alternative for them. i just dont think this plan is nearly as bad as you guys are making it out to be.[/QUOTE]
"You don't like it so why don't you go use something else" argument, I have used linux before and I don't want to use linux, I want a new version of [I]windows [/I]that is not a sub fee.
For one thing, I would rather pay one time even if it cost more in the short run because having a milion fucking sub fees is a pain in the ass to manage already I don't need more of them.
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;46679613]"You don't like it so why don't you go use something else" argument, I have used linux before and I don't want to use linux, I want a new version of [I]windows [/I]that is not a sub fee.
For one thing, I would rather pay one time even if it cost more in the short run because having a milion fucking sub fees is a pain in the ass to manage already I don't need more of them.[/QUOTE]
how is it a pain in the ass? you just throw it on your credit card and youre done.
there are benefits to each method though, the article even implied there would be a free version. maybe there will also be a full prepaid version as well.
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