With Windows 10, Microsoft could move to a subscription-based model
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[QUOTE=Zephyrs;46679588]And if I don't want the latest version?
I've skipped 8 because it offers absolutely nothing that matters to my usage case, and somehow managed to break a few things. I skipped vista for quite a while because it was a buggy bloated mess.[/QUOTE]
Well I mean, unless you don't play video games (improved memory allocation speeds), never restart your computer (way faster boot times), never use the task manager (it's improved quite a bit) etc it definitely does matter to your usage case. Compatibility is a strong argument though of course, so if there's things you use that don't work that's fair enough. I do think a subscription should let you keep using the old version if you want to, though, considering new versions often have a couple of big issues at launch
I doubt Microsoft would be stupid enough to force subscription anyway, even with Office they still offer an optional, one-time purchase.
I'm never moving from windows 7
I prefer subscription based services when it comes to expensive software. Windows isn't really that expensive but say Adobe's Creative Cloud is fantastic and worth it to me mainly because I only need to use their product from time to time. I can't justify the retail price of say Premier or Illustrator.
If it means I can get latest Windows on all devices I desire with no bullshit attached, why the fuck not. But Windows 8 was stringed with a lot of bullshit.
[QUOTE]you would instead pay a few dollars per month — and then, as with most subscriptions, you’d get free upgrades when major new versions of Windows come along.[/QUOTE]
Microsoft would have 0 reason to bother to make a new windows then.
[QUOTE=Elspin;46679226]What? Isn't it completely and totally the opposite? My ex actually had to install apps for her ipod touch on windows back in the day because apple was going to charge her for a minor OS update, and itunes wouldn't update without it, which wouldn't get apps without it, etc. It was like version hell with a pay wall[/QUOTE]
OS X has been free since 2012
[QUOTE=gk99;46679217]
I want to move off of Win7 so the Win8 users that don't understand what an opinion is will quit bitching at me.
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never even seen one of these windows 8 users you talk about unless they were instigated by someone blindly insulting 8 while wearing their 7 rose tinted glasses
so what happens if you unsubscribe? do they format ur hdd
I've always stuck up for Windows' changes - everyone usually turns out to like them in the end. But this would probably drive me away to be honest - I'd just keep Windows 8 for the windows-specific stuff and use dual boot Linux for everything else
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(I love how the uploader took the time to have it displaying the Wikipedia page of the SP3 with the exact same image of the SP3 repeating, though)[/QUOTE]
He might of just used F12
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;46679213]good job of labeling people who want a [B]product [/B]and not a [I]service [/I] as pirates[/QUOTE]
u should probs stick to using entirely archaic stuff for the rest of your life then because the whole world's economy is about offering services and experiences to people. there's no money in just letting people buy something once and walk away anymore
whether that's a 'sad truth' or just the 'truth' is another debate
they should do it like office 365, have both a subscription and a normal version
then everyone would be happy
[QUOTE=01271;46679208]I like the OSX model where updates are free.[/QUOTE]
Yeah me too.
Go ahead. I've got windows 8 installed on my laptop but i never touch it. Currently using Ubuntu, and if they go to a subscription model I'll likely never use windows again
I don't even play games that require a monthly subscription, why on earth would I volunteer to pay monthly for an OS?
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;46680015]u should probs stick to using entirely archaic stuff for the rest of your life then because the whole world's economy is about offering services and experiences to people. there's no money in just letting people buy something once and walk away anymore
whether that's a 'sad truth' or just the 'truth' is another debate[/QUOTE]
services for some things are fine, but having an OS become a service is like attaching a sub fee to my fucking desktop pc, I will pay sub fees for services [I]for [/I]my pc, not for the pc itself.
would you buy a car and then want to pay extra to keep driving it? my pc is a physical fucking thing I have built myself, god forbid I don't want to pay monthly to use it and no I don't want to use linux, the OS is not a service for a pc it is an integral part of the pc itself, it's a [I]component[/I].
[QUOTE=Rahkshi lord;46680519]services for some things are fine, but having an OS become a service is like attaching a sub fee to my fucking desktop pc, I will pay sub fees for services [I]for [/I]my pc, not for the pc itself.
would you buy a car and then want to pay extra to keep driving it? my pc is a physical fucking thing I have built myself, god forbid I don't want to pay monthly to use it and no I don't want to use linux, the OS is not a service for a pc it is an integral part of the pc itself, it's a [I]component[/I].[/QUOTE]
they said theyd have the base part for free. this is more similiar to renting a car in your example, and renting a car actually exists.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;46680523]they said theyd have the base part for free. this is more similiar to renting a car in your example, and renting a car actually exists.[/QUOTE]
I do believe it said they [I]might[/I] release the base version for free, I am talking about the worst case scenario, that's it.
and you're never going to sell me on a sub based os being a good idea.
Yeah sorry no, I'll just stay on W7 and switch to Linux when W7 is no longer able to run modern games.
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[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;46680523]and renting a car actually exists.[/QUOTE]
It does. And it works fine...for a short period of time. But long-term rentals(Leases) just fuck the customer over. They pay out the nose, are needlessly restricted, and have fuck all to show for it when they're done with the payment. My W7 disc is [i]mine[/i] and I can continue to use it to the end of time if I so desire. But that won't be the case with a sub-based OS, they can just shut your computer down on a whim and [b]force[/b] you to buy the new one whether you want it or not. And I don't trust MS with that kind of power, I feel they're far too likely to abuse it.
Do it like WinRar does it.
I'm a bit sceptical about a subscription method used in an OS, but I do love the idea on software, especially with most software is moving towards a cloud computing SaaS model. Times are changing.
All you all of raging like my good self, remember it has the word 'could' in the title, also there is a lot of 'would in the article. It's just the author's interpretation.
That said, they'd probably have a bigger backlash than Adobe did and lose more money after the flop that was Windows 8. There would have to be a version for closed system and they people would just use that to hack the other versions. So it would be very high risk in my opinion. My guess is there may be a cheap version of Windows with paid updates e.g. paid service packs similar to OSX updates.
Also I hope Adobe brings back perpetual licences at some point.
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[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;46679169]if it's priced right i don't care tbh. i'd much rather pay £40 a year for the ever shortening lifespan of the OS (assuming we get to upgrade to the next one for free) than shell out £120 or whatever in one payment
it has worked for UE4, it's working well for Photoshop (especially in big businesses). no reason it can't work here[/QUOTE]Yeah, because they cost well over a $1000. Most people can afford a Windows licence.
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[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;46679612]You already have to pay monthly bills for TV, cell phone plans, the internet, netflix, and all kinds of other shit.
Why should we be paying a monthly fee to use an operating system? That's like a monthly fee for the computer itself.[/QUOTE]I agree, bill are for services, Windows is a product and should be priced like one.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;46679396]that's your choice that you're using an old OS.[/QUOTE]
Check my other post where I point out that I don't like Windows 8 then get back to me.
[QUOTE]with the subscription model you'd automatically get the latest version, so you'd have gotten windows 7, windows 8, and windows 8.1 for the same monthly fee.[/QUOTE]
Instead of just paying $120 for three copies of it for every one of my PCs and using it for six years? Yeah no, that's ridiculous. Why would I want that? Remember that $160 overpay if the OS costs $200? Yeah, that just got bumped up to $240.
[QUOTE] if they release a new version every 3 years (which is around what they do) then you'd actually break even at $5 a month.[/QUOTE]
See above.
[QUOTE]thats assuming they even charge that much, since the article seems to imply they will charge less than that.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter what the article implies. It's not officially Microsoft written, and Microsoft hasn't come out and told everyone how much it'd be. Let's also not forget that it's fucking Microsoft, either. They're not exactly consumer-friendly with their prices or business practices.
[QUOTE]also, some university students get microsoft for free. i havent paid anything to microsoft in the last 5 years, thanks to dreamspark.[/QUOTE]
Then I guess that's one less reason to have a subscription-based payment system.
[QUOTE]if you dont like windows then move to linux with me,[/QUOTE]
That's a ridiculous solution to a non-problem. I've been using Windows since I was like 7, I know my way around the OS interface like the back of my hand and generally all programs are compatible with it. That can't be said for Linux nor Mac OS.
[QUOTE]the only reason ive found to still use windows is for photoshop/lightroom, since i havent found an alternative for them.[/QUOTE]
I'd recommend GIMP but, while it's still pretty great, it's definitely not 100% up to Photoshop/Lightroom's respective levels.
[QUOTE]i just dont think this plan is nearly as bad as you guys are making it out to be.[/QUOTE]
You haven't listed a single thing that I'd be happy about paying for this.
If Microsoft's job is to get me to want this kind of payment model, outweighing the pros with cons isn't the way to do it.
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;46679843]I prefer subscription based services when it comes to expensive software. Windows isn't really that expensive but say Adobe's Creative Cloud is fantastic and worth it to me mainly because I only need to use their product from time to time. I can't justify the retail price of say Premier or Illustrator.[/QUOTE]True that doesn't mean a perpetual licence should be taken away.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;46679169]if it's priced right i don't care tbh. i'd much rather pay £40 a year for the ever shortening lifespan of the OS (assuming we get to upgrade to the next one for free) than shell out £120 or whatever in one payment
it has worked for UE4, it's working well for Photoshop (especially in big businesses). no reason it can't work here[/QUOTE]
UE4 is an entirely different thing. You use that to make games which you can make your money back with. Windows is an operating system you use to make your computer function outside of just beeping when you turn it on and not much more.
[editline]9th December 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=gk99;46680872]UE4 is an entirely different thing. You use that to make games which you can make your money back with. Windows is an operating system you use to make your computer function outside of just beeping when you turn it on and not much more.[/QUOTE]
Also, the currency symbol fucks up my edit button so I've got to do this:
Photoshop is also something you create things with, but ignoring that point and moving onto a more important part of your sentence: "especially in big business." If this subscription works like sloppy_joes is saying, then your Windows will upgrade every time a new one comes out. That would be a shit thing for big businesses to have to deal with.
For some reason I highly doubt this will be a thing. And if it does, a permanent license will still exist.
Simply because of corporate customers alone. You're going to have a hard time convincing businesses to switch from W7 to a subscription OS on employee workstations. That's a really hard sell when it serves no benefit over their current system.
And I'm sure end-users wouldn't be happy either. Its just not going to reduce OS piracy plain and simple. In fact, it will only encourage it.
They are just asking for people to crack it and torrent it.
[QUOTE=gk99;46680863]Check my other post where I point out that I don't like Windows 8 then get back to me.
Instead of just paying $120 for three copies of it for every one of my PCs and using it for six years? Yeah no, that's ridiculous. Why would I want that? Remember that $160 overpay if the OS costs $200? Yeah, that just got bumped up to $240.
See above.
Doesn't matter what the article implies. It's not officially Microsoft written, and Microsoft hasn't come out and told everyone how much it'd be. Let's also not forget that it's fucking Microsoft, either. They're not exactly consumer-friendly with their prices or business practices.
Then I guess that's one less reason to have a subscription-based payment system.
That's a ridiculous solution to a non-problem. I've been using Windows since I was like 7, I know my way around the OS interface like the back of my hand and generally all programs are compatible with it. That can't be said for Linux nor Mac OS.
I'd recommend GIMP but, while it's still pretty great, it's definitely not 100% up to Photoshop/Lightroom's respective levels.
You haven't listed a single thing that I'd be happy about paying for this.
If Microsoft's job is to get me to want this kind of payment model, outweighing the pros with cons isn't the way to do it.[/QUOTE]
your entire post is just assumptions, your entire argument assumes it will cost more.
[editline]9th December 2014[/editline]
youre also assuming it will never go on sale, assuming they wont offer multiple copies to the same user for a discount etc.
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youre also assuming they won't offer the prepaid version, like what they do now
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if microsoft follows in adobes footsteps, it will be several times cheaper for a subscription than to buy outright for a reasonable length of time.
i'll just install keep win 8.1 or install OS X
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