[QUOTE=Splash Attack;43643729]I nervously came here anticipating Game of Thrones spoilers. Was pleasantly surprised.[/QUOTE]
Great, now you ruined the series for me.
A deer killed by a wolf, sensational!
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;43641791]Anyone from Canada or Romania who cares to tell us about the Wolf situation in your country? Is it equally hated over there?[/QUOTE]
As with most anywhere else we killed most of the animals that dared to live in the fertile areas we prefer
But since Canada is mostly empty taiga and sub-tundra there's still plenty up north, and the rural hunters in the settled areas do a pretty good job of controlling deer populations
I live in Michigan's upper peninsula, and there's been a heated debate about opening a wolf hunting season here. For college I actually did an extensive report on the subject and came to the conclusion: hunters are full of bullshit. "Wolves are overpopulated---they're a pest and eating all the deer!" Fucking no they're not. And deer are themselves grossly overpopulated. I've lost a lot of respect for the hunting community as a whole due to this.
This thread reminds me of guy who posted a thread everytime when a child in russia was born :v:
He stopped doing so after few threads when he got 1 week ban i think
They just want an excuse to hunt. It's not even about the deer. It's just for fun.
Apparently they are sending around 40 hunters to go looking to kill this wolf, fucking 40.
The tracks around the deer carcass had already disappeared so they are all basically on a wild goose chase.
Release Bears to kill the wolf.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;43643781]Great, now you ruined the series for me.[/QUOTE]
No I didn't, because I don't actually know if that would be a spoiler or not.
The article says the goal is to trap the wolf not to kill it.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/B4KR0.jpg[/t]
how could you kill that :(
[QUOTE=CapsAdmin;43647554]The article says the goal is to trap the wolf not to kill it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Hunters are now looking to track down the Wolf and kill it.[/QUOTE]
I dunno about you but I don't see "trap and not kill it" in this quote from the article
Wolves "overpopulating" is stupid as hell.
Predators generally do not overpopulate that much, because if they do they starve as there is a very limited selection they eat from, unlike prey animals which tend to easily overpopulate since their foodsource is literally everywhere. There are even studies done that have proven that wolves in particular simply do not mate or have large litter sizes during seasons where food is scarce, because otherwise starvation will happen.
A majority of land preditors in North America and Europe are completely harmless to humans too, including wolves. Getting attacked by a wolf would pretty much require you to do the same exact stuff as getting attacked by a black bear, which are usually pretty docile creatures. In other words, actively trying to piss it off or attack it yourself or not keeping your distance. They are still wild animals, which generally means if you give it respect and distance and show you aren't a small prey animal then they will keep their distance (they are scared of you more than you are scared of them). There are wild land preditors in NA/EU that are more aggressive (like grizzly bears) but wolves generally are not one of them and the vast majority could not be considered "aggressive to humans".
The [I]only[/I] issue that wolves could ever have to society is that if you are a rancher/farmer, they can and will try and hunt your property if it is easy for them to do so. This is why you actually set up proper fencing and other safety measures to protect your cattle. Hell even hunting wolves who are actually attacking your cattle and/or in the immediate area in order to discourage a population being active near your farmstead is (IMO) a reasonable approach to the issue in combonation with the above.
The problem is, a lot of ranchers/farmers have the same mentality as your average CEO - maximize bottom line at all costs, even if it ends up dramatically ruining things for you in the long term. The idea of spending any sort of money on defending their cattle from natural preditors or putting loss into their annual budget is absurd to them, when the alternative is to annihilate all natural predators and not have to do anything. Even though this results in what is basically genocide, screws up the eco balance, and just causes issues like deer overpopulation which is just as bad but in different ways.
I mean, I know a lot of farmer/rancher types don't really make a ton of money unlike a CEO would, so its understandable that the idea of spending money on protecting your investment is something you try and get out of, but its something that you just have to do if you are in such a trade. Its like trying to get out of paying taxes. Sure you could try and do that and maybe get away with it for a while, but you are generally going to have to pay taxes no matter what you are doing and there is no point in attempting to circumvent it. Its an inevitability in life, just like having to spend money to protect your investment and property is an inevitability for the trade.
Bad reading on my end, Read Felle as Fälla, which is put down in Swedish. But your hunters have an awful track record with Swedish wolves CapsAdmin. I think 45 of our wolves got shot in Norway last year.
My country is sick. Seriously, there's so much debate about wolves, especially where I live (right next to Swedish border). There's a small group of wolves coming from Sweden to eat here in my town, and suddenly every person her goes mad. Sure, they kill stuff. But it's fucking natural.
It's gone so far that people are starting to think that the government lies about the pack of 25-30wolves living in Norway(last count) and the numbers is a lot more.
[QUOTE=ishownomercy;43651633]My country is sick. Seriously, there's so much debate about wolves, especially where I live (right next to Swedish border). There's a small group of wolves coming from Sweden to eat here in my town, and suddenly every person her goes mad. Sure, they kill stuff. But it's fucking natural.
It's gone so far that people are starting to think that the government lies about the pack of 25-30wolves living in Norway(last count) and the numbers is a lot more.[/QUOTE]
Same conspiracy tin foil hat stuff that goes around in Sweden. People claim we have 500-600 wolves yet the last headcount turned out a little over 200. These tinfoil people tend to forget there's only 30 alpha couples that are allowed to mate and according to international studies you need around 1500 to create enough genetic diversity.
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;43641791]Anyone from Canada or Romania who cares to tell us about the Wolf situation in your country? Is it equally hated over there?[/QUOTE]
Canada has ~50,000-60,000 wolves so a hell of a lot more than in Norway, and in BC they aren't a problem. They're actually quite useful since they help keep the deer population down so there's not quadrillions of them running around infront of vehicles, fucking up farms etc.
pretty sure you can hunt them here as well
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;43641906]I can just tell you about situation here, in Czech Republic, where wolf was native but went extinct quite long ago.
We are TRIPPING with boars and deer and these shits keep overpopulating all the time. You plant a tree on unfenced garden in rural area? They are going to chew all bark off over winter, if you don't paint it with this sandy white crap.
Few months ago there was a report of a hunt on boars, specifically mainly to control the population - they killed over a hundred boars in a small area over the weekend. The freezers of the huntsmen are full of that stuff, they are failing to sell it fast enough.
Seriously, predators in nature are not just cool as fuck but IMPORTANT, and if you wipe them out, you upset the entire ecosystem.[/QUOTE]
I'm seriously going to be pissed if most of the wolf/tiger population gets wiped out in ten years.
Its starting to look like humanity is a plague on this earth.
All of Europes Apex Predators are on a decline as their natural habitats are vanishing in favor of human exploitation :/
I thought Norway didn't have the death penalty. Perhaps 20 years in a fancy zoo?
[QUOTE=Jaspers;43648382]I dunno about you but I don't see "trap and not kill it" in this quote from the article[/QUOTE]
[img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/244444/ShareX/2014-01/2014-01-24_14-09-37.png[/img]
[img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/244444/ShareX/2014-01/2014-01-24_14-10-50.png[/img]
Are you getting an English version of the article?
[editline]24th January 2014[/editline]
Actually, it can also mean to kill it. It depends on the situation. :v:
Like Hoffa pointed out it most likely means that they'll kill it anyway.
Saw the title and assumed that it must've been some sort of pun. There is no way someone write an article about a wolf killing a fucking deer.
Shocked to find out how wrong I was.
[QUOTE=KorJax;43651039]The [I]only[/I] issue that wolves could ever have to society is that if you are a rancher/farmer, they can and will try and hunt your property if it is easy for them to do so. This is why you actually set up proper fencing and other safety measures to protect your cattle. Hell even hunting wolves who are actually attacking your cattle and/or in the immediate area in order to discourage a population being active near your farmstead is (IMO) a reasonable approach to the issue in combonation with the above.
The problem is, a lot of ranchers/farmers have the same mentality as your average CEO - maximize bottom line at all costs, even if it ends up dramatically ruining things for you in the long term. The idea of spending any sort of money on defending their cattle from natural preditors or putting loss into their annual budget is absurd to them, when the alternative is to annihilate all natural predators and not have to do anything. Even though this results in what is basically genocide, screws up the eco balance, and just causes issues like deer overpopulation which is just as bad but in different ways.
[/QUOTE]
Many states will subsidize livestock killed by wolves anyway so there's really no excuse.
In addition, overpopulated deer cause exponentially more damage to crops each year.
To be honest we should like, use our ingenuity to build animals a bunch of feeding stations in the nature where they can suck some paste mix-up from a tube.
Over time they would evolve their teeth out as well. So win-win definitely.
[QUOTE=CapsAdmin;43653109][img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/244444/ShareX/2014-01/2014-01-24_14-09-37.png[/img]
[img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/244444/ShareX/2014-01/2014-01-24_14-10-50.png[/img]
Are you getting an English version of the article?
[editline]24th January 2014[/editline]
Actually, it can also mean to kill it. It depends on the situation. :v:
Like Hoffa pointed out it most likely means that they'll kill it anyway.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure you're norwegian? Because that sentence falls prey to Google's bad translation practices where they've just translated the word "Felle" directly. It means "to cut down". As in "felling a tree". If they intended to trap it it'd say "målet er å [i]fange[/i] den."
[editline]24th January 2014[/editline]
On a less dickish note: Farmers overreact so badly when it comes to wolves. A single sheep lost is nothing compared to how much you're losing by killing a wolf. Besides, they get paid for the sheep they lose to roaming wolves by the government so who even gives a fuck. Your sheep don't matter for shit because there's so many of them, and losing one or two won't actually destroy your farm.
Its all these fucking sheep farmers that cant stand to maybe lose a couple of sheep once or twice. Which they then get paid money for by the government. They lose nothing. The only thing that happens is that an animal kills another animal. Nature.
Meanwhile in Scandinavia
"We have to stop killing wolves or they will go extinct!"
"The wolves are trying to survive, we must exterminate them!"
I bet if a deer killed a wolf they'd give that fucker a medal...
If deer aren't for eating, why are they made out of tasty?
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;43651788]I'm seriously going to be pissed if most of the wolf/tiger population gets wiped out in ten years.
Its starting to look like humanity is a plague on this earth.[/QUOTE]
Kinda makes me think the way we're gonna be wiped out is some sort of virus engineered by people with just that sort of mentality
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.