• We Won't Have Enough Power For Interstellar Travel Until At Least 2211
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Also, those before the Industrial Revolution would have expected the amount of energy handled by civilization to remain roughly the same, no? You can't predict breakthroughs -- You can't predict revolutions -- Therefore you can't project current trends into the future, especially +50 years.
Sounds like a challenge to me. He says that we can't do it within 200 years, I say I INVENT IT NOOOOOW!
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;27299553]Also, those before the Industrial Revolution would have expected the amount of energy handled by civilization to remain roughly the same, no? You can't predict breakthroughs -- You can't predict revolutions -- Therefore you can't project current trends into the future, especially +50 years.[/QUOTE] I prefer extrapolation, it makes things seem optimistic if you calculate at the right times :v:
Well, this is just a vague prediction, but then again, what prediction isn't a little vague. After all, the future is closed to us until we walk there, and there's a big ol' fog obscuring what could be seen. In other words, no mortal man can see the future.
[QUOTE=cheesedelux;27294365]Bah, technological predictions are rarely anywhere near right. Like landing on the moon in a couple of decades would be a completely laughable idea in the 1930s, and that guy who predicted that we might use about seven computers by the year 2000. There's no real telling what we might be up to in the future.[/QUOTE] Agreed
[QUOTE=Eudoxia;27299397]This is like applying Moore's Law to energy production and saying "Here I know because the chart says so". In the sixties they made a chart showing the exponential growth of propulsion systems and how that would give us interstellar travel by 2000. Man these threads always grow to several pages before I walk in and clear shit up :colbert:[/QUOTE] really i did not know that they thought we would get it from the year 2000, care to show it? the chart
We need another world war to kick-off a technology boost. The last one had us pretty much going from biplanes to ICBM's. (Before anyone starts, I'm not being entirely serious - I don't advocate another war)
[QUOTE=Soul-Chicken;27295241]You were born too late to explore the World, And too early to explore the Stars. :smith:[/QUOTE] Wouldn't really want to explore the stars to be honest. Unless I found something of great value that would make me rich as fuck, in which case hell yes I'll go exploring.
[QUOTE=acds;27301405]Wouldn't really want to explore the stars to be honest. Unless I found something of great value that would make me rich as fuck, in which case hell yes I'll go exploring.[/QUOTE] Why wouldn't you want to go and explore the stars? we've already found a fair few planets, we could find a lot more and that would be kick ass to go exploring on.
[QUOTE=bravehat;27301428]Why wouldn't you want to go and explore the stars? we've already found a fair few planets, we could find a lot more and that would be kick ass to go exploring on.[/QUOTE] Mostly because it would take a really long time, and we only have one life. When you finally find a planet that isn't a barren waste and has something interesting on it it will definitely be exciting and all, but that's it, chances are nothing will come out of it for you in your lifetime (most probably someone will make a shittonne of money on it, but not the explorer himself). Again, if I was to explore, I wouldn't really care much for the actual exploration part as I would focus way more on finding something that could make me rich, which if I was an astronaut would go to the various nations and not to me personally (I'd have to be a private person/company owner with a own spaceship that could travel in search of riches, which might be a tad bit expensive).
[QUOTE=Source;27294250]Makes me wish i was born around 2200 instead :smith:[/QUOTE] But someone born in 2200 would never be "You" ! Being born now and in this time is a big part of what makes up your personality.
3 problems I see with that: 1. You assume the moeny will be worthwhile, you're exploring the stars, what you gonna do buy something and have it delivered? Money will be useless. 2.You say one lifetime, true we have one life, the length of it is not a concrete barrier anymore it's rapidly being broken down and human life is getting longer and longer, and if the manhattan beach project has anything to say about it then aging will effectively be a thing of the past. 3. And your general view is pretty shit, s'all about making money.
[QUOTE=acds;27301405]Wouldn't really want to explore the stars to be honest. Unless I found something of great value that would make me rich as fuck, in which case hell yes I'll go exploring.[/QUOTE] You mean something like infinite resources?
[QUOTE=bravehat;27301661]3 problems I see with that: 1. You assume the moeny will be worthwhile, you're exploring the stars, what you gonna do buy something and have it delivered? Money will be useless. 2.You say one lifetime, true we have one life, the length of it is not a concrete barrier anymore it's rapidly being broken down and human life is getting longer and longer, and if the manhattan beach project has anything to say about it then aging will effectively be a thing of the past. 3. And your general view is pretty shit, s'all about making money.[/QUOTE] 1. Get the valuable resource, go back to Earth, live the rest of your years as a multi-billionaire (or at least rich). 2. If we managed to stop ageing and live forever, it would be awesome, but it's a maybe. Sure if we had a lifespan of a few thousand years then sure, I'd spend a few hundred exploring space. 3. Can't argue with that.
Don't worry, in 2018 there will be a discovery that means that we can live to the age of 200 and beyond I know this because I prophesised it using vague language in the vein of Nostradamus; [QUOTE= my prophecy]In the year of two thousand and eighteen point four five seven many ages will be enabled and conqueroring shall be forthcoming of the star of Juparkamahar[/QUOTE] Either that or god told me.
[QUOTE=acds;27301787]1. Get the valuable resource, go back to Earth, live the rest of your years as a multi-billionaire (or at least rich). 2. If we managed to stop ageing and live forever, it would be awesome, but it's a maybe. Sure if we had a lifespan of a few thousand years then sure, I'd spend a few hundred exploring space. 3. Can't argue with that.[/QUOTE] 1. Pointless, money doesn't really do much for you apart from make life comfortable, once it hits that point it does nothing for you. 2. It's not a maybe, it's guaranteed, given enough time, and I'm talking 30 years, the Manhattan Beach project takes effect and keeps you alive long enough for you to see true biological immortality. Dude seriously, the human race spanning the stars will never be about money.
[QUOTE=Re-y-tard;27301764]You mean something like infinite resources?[/QUOTE] Well yeah either near-infinite resources (someone theorized that there could be planet-sized diamonds in space, but that would also drop the value of the resource by a lot) or a very precious one, it's far-fetched, but if you could harvest the antimatter found in certain parts of our galaxy you would be so fucking rich that you'd need an own planet to store your riches.
[QUOTE=acds;27301822]Well yeah either near-infinite resources (someone theorized that there could be planet-sized diamonds in space, but that would also drop the value of the resource by a lot) or a very precious one, it's far-fetched, but if you could harvest the antimatter found in certain parts of our galaxy you would be so fucking rich that you'd need an own planet to store your riches.[/QUOTE] Question, what would you do with all those awesome riches? Sit around and get bored with them is the most obvious answer to me.
I say that every country on the planet should make peace, completely remove their military budget, and put all that money in space travel and medicine. Spend cash on something that benefits in human progress, not on things that will destroy it.
[QUOTE=bravehat;27301836]Question, what would you do with all those awesome riches? Sit around and get bored with them is the most obvious answer to me.[/QUOTE] There is more than enough to do here on Earth, then you can always use that money to explore space, only that you won't have anyone ordering you around because you'll be funding and owning the whole operation.
[QUOTE=booster;27301840]I say that every country on the planet should make peace, completely remove their military budget, and put all that money in space travel and medicine. Spend cash on something that benefits in human progress, not on things that will destroy it.[/QUOTE] Shit idea, people aren't peaceful and almost every major medical and technological advancement we have ever had is thanks to the militaries of the world finding new ways of finding each other, killing each other and patching themselves up after the battle. DARPA set up a competition for companies to manufacture O type blood for soldiers to get easy blood transfusions instead of waiting for enough soldiers to donate the blood required to save them, DARPA created the internet, Modern surgery is all thanks to Field Surgery techniques developed during the first and second world wars and from Nazi concetration camp medical files. The fact of the matter is, the more we kill each other, the better we get at repairing ourselves.
[QUOTE=booster;27301840]I say that every country on the planet should make peace, completely remove their military budget, and put all that money in space travel and medicine. Spend cash on something that benefits in human progress, not on things that will destroy it.[/QUOTE] No way of getting everyone to agree like that. People have their differences and conflict is a requirement of the human mind. Peace is just an unachievable ideal which would only work if we were all exactly the same.
Isn't really a surprise to be honest, we would need new technologies and they probably wont be available until then.
[QUOTE=smidge146;27302133]Isn't really a surprise to be honest, we would need new technologies and they probably wont be available until then.[/QUOTE] No we don't need new technologies, we have pretty much all we need except an inexpensive way to transport materials into orbit.
And this is why life extension is essential to human progress.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;27302280]And this is why life extension is essential to human progress.[/QUOTE] If the human species got its collective head out of it it's collective chocolate mother fucking starfish and actually adapted to what the future will require of us we could have near immortality procedures in 5 years and I am ironically willing to stake my life on that. We could easily build a ship that could take entire fucking communities of people to the stars, to mars, to Io, to europa and to anywhere else we fucking wanted. But nah, instead we would rather sit around and fucking squabble over a rock that will be turned to ash in a few million/billion years. We belong in the fucking stars and we won't go cause we're all fat lazy greedy shits who get off on hurting each other.
There is nothing to say these calculations are going to be 100% correct, back in the 90's they predicted the modern ram to be much slower, and the modern cpu's to be a little faster.
Cryogenics anyone?
Technological advancement isn't linear. Why do so many people seem to forget that?
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