We Won't Have Enough Power For Interstellar Travel Until At Least 2211
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I bet he didn't include the Orion project principle in his calculations.
We will never be able to travel outside our own galaxy.
[QUOTE=Glorbo;27302901]Technological advancement isn't linear.
Why do so many people seem to forget that?[/QUOTE]
because they choose to see what is possible now and base that on what the future will be like and not what could be possible.
before you make assumptions about the future, take a moment to analyze what people of the past thought about what your current point would be like. Take warfare for example, people in WWI expected trench warfare to remain the center of military doctrine and with the advent of the Tank people surmised that in the future that we would continue using this type of slow and bloody warfare but the Tanks would evolve into giant orwellion death machines that would storm across the no man's land bristling with guns firing in all directions to dominate the battlefield,
And then the German Blitzkrieg happened,
and the [B]ENTIRE[/B] scope and perception of ground warfare changed into something completely new.
I prefer not to try and predict the future, for what actually winds happening will probably beyond anything we could possibly imagine currently.
[QUOTE=Spetzaz;27303188]We will never be able to travel outside our own galaxy.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for this obviously well presented idea and argument.
In the grand scheme of things 200 years is a really small time, only 3 human lifetimes
[QUOTE=poopsicle;27303314]Thanks for this obviously well presented idea and argument.[/QUOTE]
Nothing can travel faster then light, and it would take us 2 million years to travel to the nearest galaxy at the speed of light, a speed no one will ever achieve.
Best we can hope for is something crazy like wormholes.
Well, he shouldn't have assumed we'd still be using rockets for propulsion for the next century and some.
[QUOTE=Spetzaz;27303498]Nothing can travel faster then light, and it would take us 2 million years to travel to the nearest galaxy at the speed of light, a speed no one will ever achieve.
Best we can hope for is something crazy like wormholes.[/QUOTE]
I really doubt we would be using the same transportation method in 200 years.
[QUOTE=poopsicle;27303569]I really doubt we would be using the same transportation method in 200 years.[/QUOTE]
Well, statistically the chance that we could travel to another galaxy is about the same as the statistic that an actual, anamorphic and consciences Christian or Muslim god exists.
It just isn't logical.
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No object can travel faster then light speed, no matter the power.
[QUOTE=Spetzaz;27303600]Well, statistically the chance that we could travel to another galaxy is about the same as the statistic that an actual, anamorphic and consciences Christian or Muslim god exists.
It just isn't logical.
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No object can travel faster then light speed, no matter the power.[/QUOTE]
You can never predict what people will think up next, who knows what could happen in the future?
Humans have been breaking records thought impossible not more than 50 years ago.
I know we can shrink a person to the scale were quantum physics dictate his actions and then randomly shoot him until he appears at some random point in the universe. Sadly I don know how he would get back though.
[QUOTE=Source;27294250]Makes me wish i was born around 2200 instead :smith:[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't. No oil reserves, massive overpopulation, europe probably some huge fuedal religious state. I know what you mean though.
[QUOTE=Spetzaz;27303498]Nothing can travel faster then light, and it would take us 2 million years to travel to the nearest galaxy at the speed of light, a speed no one will ever achieve.
Best we can hope for is something crazy like wormholes.[/QUOTE]
yea but with nanobot technology going at near the speed of light we would be able to go to every star in the galaxy in only a few thousand.
[QUOTE=poopsicle;27303314]Thanks for this obviously well presented idea and argument.[/QUOTE]
He's right, the distances are way too vast to even contemplate, to try and leave our galaxy for another one is a total pipe dream and unless we become literal gods capable of warping the fabric of space time at will then we will never reach another galaxy.
[QUOTE=poopsicle;27303645]You can never predict what people will think up next, who knows what could happen in the future?
Humans have been breaking records thought impossible not more than 50 years ago.[/QUOTE]
You're correct in saying that the future is unpredictable, but with the knowledge we have now we can easily say that we can't go past the speed of light. Why? Because E=MC^2. Simple as that.
[QUOTE=poopsicle;27303645]You can never predict what people will think up next, who knows what could happen in the future?
Humans have been breaking records thought impossible not more than 50 years ago.[/QUOTE]
You're not getting this, it's impossible, it is literally impossible by all known scientific theories except relativity, and relativity says that the wormholes will be so small they will exist only at the femtoscale or else they will collapse.
[QUOTE=sphynx;27303706]I wouldn't. No oil reserves, massive overpopulation, europe probably some huge fuedal religious state. I know what you mean though.[/QUOTE]
WWIII didn't happen last November, those predictions are Invalidated.
[QUOTE=Rooster Assassin;27294266]Something can always come up before then, Maybe.[/QUOTE]
It always happens
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[QUOTE=sphynx;27303706]I wouldn't. No oil reserves, massive overpopulation, europe probably some huge fuedal religious state. I know what you mean though.[/QUOTE]
200 years is a long time, moving people to other planets will be mandatory
[QUOTE=Deweze;27304010]200 years is a long time, moving people to other planets will be mandatory[/QUOTE]
Terraforming a planet like Mars will take hundreds of years, making it properly habitable - longer then that. We're looking at at least 500 years before any colonization. It will take an untold amount of years before we can even travel to the nearest exoplanet. Probably tens of thousands, and the human race might be dead by then.
[QUOTE=Source;27294250]Makes me wish i was born around 2200 instead :smith:[/QUOTE]
Freeze yourself
Defrost in 2200
Talk about how good you think technology was back in your day
Get laughed at
Go to space
[QUOTE=Spetzaz;27304151]Terraforming a planet like Mars will take hundreds of years, making it properly habitable - longer then that. We're looking at at least 500 years before any colonization. It will take an untold amount of years before we can even travel to the nearest exoplanet. Probably tens of thousands, and the human race might be dead by then.[/QUOTE]
Mars could be colonised if you want to do some really crazy shit first.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;27295654]uh no it's not. Apple is evidence enough that moore's law is quite alive.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=bravehat;27304187]Mars could be colonised if you want to do some really crazy shit first.[/QUOTE]
Like sustain the population?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27295331]67% of the earth is water, some of that is so deep that we have no idea what can be going on down there. More people have been to the moon than to the bottom of our own planet.
The fuck is this "no exploration" left attitude? We have so much our own planet can still tell us. We're ignorant to not look there.[/QUOTE]
Theres scary fish down there, you can go.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27295331]67% of the earth is water, some of that is so deep that we have no idea what can be going on down there. More people have been to the moon than to the bottom of our own planet.
The fuck is this "no exploration" left attitude? We have so much our own planet can still tell us. We're ignorant to not look there.[/QUOTE]
This is correct. In fact, two people have been to the bottom of the deepest water on the planet, twelve people have walked on the moon. I intend on being the first to do both. Without training, operating only through Facepunch and my computer chair.
And I [B]will[/B] succeed.
[QUOTE=Spetzaz;27304293]Like sustain the population?[/QUOTE]
I mean pump every inch of the soil with extremophile bacteria that convert iron ores in the ground to iron and carbon dioxide at a crazy rate to create an atmosphere, then throw in super engineered plants with crazy fast metabolisms, then you could have a full ecosytem base in something like 100 years.
[QUOTE=pyschomc;27300416]really i did not know that they thought we would get it from the year 2000, care to show it? the chart[/QUOTE]
I intended to post it, but I haven't been able to find it now.
[QUOTE=daijitsu;27297979]a few quotes for everyone[/QUOTE]
Most of these now sound stupid because of the microchip, so it just goes to show that one breakthrough can change everything. *optimistic
[QUOTE=bravehat;27304451]I mean pump every inch of the soil with extremophile bacteria that convert iron ores in the ground to iron and carbon dioxide at a crazy rate to create an atmosphere, then throw in super engineered plants with crazy fast metabolisms, then you could have a full ecosytem base in something like 100 years.[/QUOTE]
Smart man, this one.
[QUOTE=cheesedelux;27294365]Bah, technological predictions are rarely anywhere near right.
Like landing on the moon in a couple of decades would be a completely laughable idea in the 1930s, and that guy who predicted that we might use about seven computers by the year 2000. There's no real telling what we might be up to in the future.[/QUOTE]
I love it when you look at those 'WORLD OF TOMORROW' concepts. It seem so amazing how they thought the year 2000 will be filled with flying cars and tall metropolis everywhere! Like this!
[img]http://davidszondy.com/future/city/Metropolis%2001.jpg[/img]
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