Deaf, Disabled Senior Citizen on Bicycle Deemed Threat by Police, Tased to Death
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[QUOTE=Recco;33429255]I think that policeman deserves 20 years of jail and death sentence at the end.[/QUOTE]
I think you need to have a lesson in history.
That's just wrong, what the hell is wrong with that policeman?
"Oh no, the senior citizen refused to pull his bike aside! Better shoot him with thousands of volts of electricity to show him who's in charge!"
[editline]25th November 2011[/editline]
I mean I love police in general but this is just crossing the fucking line.
[QUOTE=Recco;33429255]I think that policeman deserves 20 years of jail and death sentence at the end.
edit: You disagree with me? Oh, why did you rate OP sad then?
edit: fucking faggots you always rate me dumb for now fucking reason! gonna make alt then[/QUOTE]
No. We rate you dumb because you're obviously an imbecile.
[QUOTE=Recco;33429255]I think that policeman deserves 20 years of jail and death sentence at the end.
edit: You disagree with me? Oh, why did you rate OP sad then?
edit: fucking faggots you always rate me dumb for now fucking reason! gonna make alt then[/QUOTE]
Manslaughter doesn't warrant a death sentence, hell it doesn't even warrant 20 years in prison.
[QUOTE=Recco;33429255]I think that policeman deserves 20 years of jail and death sentence at the end.
edit: You disagree with me? Oh, why did you rate OP sad then?
edit: fucking faggots [B]you always rate me dumb for now fucking reason! [/B]gonna make alt then[/QUOTE]
If you are bad at posting in general, making an alt will not fix anything.
[QUOTE=Nikota;33427850]Sarcasm cannot be read. Sorry Laferio.[/QUOTE]
It can, but I'm unsure if highschool classes actually teach it.
I think what I find most alarming about this news is that an inexperienced policeman was allowed to patrol alone. In the UK most of the time all units travel in teams of at least two. It's only very rare that they're allowed to patrol alone.
I hope he'll get the longest possible sentence and will never again be accepted in police force
[QUOTE=znk666;33429867]I hope he'll get the longest possible sentence and will never again be accepted in police force[/QUOTE]For making a terrible mistake one month in to being on duty? He shouldn't get off without some manner of punishment, but everyone is quick to condemn him to hell for making a mistake due to inexperience.
[QUOTE=Teddi Orange;33429796]I think what I find most alarming about this news is that an inexperienced policeman was allowed to patrol alone. In the UK most of the time all units travel in teams of at least two. It's only very rare that they're allowed to patrol alone.[/QUOTE]
Well the fact that american cops travel alone makes sense, but I was under the impression that for their first few years americans ride along as well.
this reminds me of that cop who was chasing some kid (the kid was on a bike and the cop was in his car, going on pavements and shit) and tased him from the open window of the car while they were moving. surprise surprise, the kid fell off and went right under the car and died.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;33429966]this reminds me of that cop who was chasing some kid (the kid was on a bike and the cop was in his car, going on pavements and shit) and tased him from the open window of the car while they were moving. surprise surprise, the kid fell off and went right under the car and died.[/QUOTE]
Clever.
[QUOTE=Uber|nooB;33429966]this reminds me of that cop who was chasing some kid (the kid was on a bike and the cop was in his car, going on pavements and shit) and tased him from the open window of the car while they were moving. surprise surprise, the kid fell off and went right under the car and died.[/QUOTE]
Sotting a weapon out of a car, where was that guy trained?
Only on duty for a month or not, what kind of police are they training to be as ready to use a taser on an old man that has no clue what is going on.
My condolences to the family of the man, and my sympathies to the officer. Dude had no way of knowing the condition of the man based on the information he was given and the way the situation was set up. His inexperience may have contributed to him doing what he deemed was necessary to stop someone that could have been dangerous to himself or someone else based on the information he had and was able to obtain.
Dude did the right thing, it was just incredibly unfortunate to have brought about the man's death.
The cops were lazy so they thought it would be a better deal to stay in the car, pull up next to him and do a driveby taser.
Gangster shit.
If an engineer designs a building or a product that is flawed due to their inexperience, and that flaw results in the death of a human being, they typically lose their licence and thus, their job, and they usually take the blame.
If an officer is inexperienced, and their actions result in the death of another human being, people come to the defense of the officer? He's on administrative leave, so he's probably still being paid, but this makes no sense to me.
I don't care if the role of the police officer has some sort of extra "honor" or something associated with the job that the engineer does not. If you go to work without the proper experience, and your inexperience results in the death or injury of another human being, you are responsible, and your actions are in the wrong, as demonstrated by the results. Don't defend the man, pity him maybe, because he has to live with his actions, but it is his responsibility to be prepared for any situations that may arise while working.
It is my opinion, that police training focuses on dealing with violent criminals, and that focus either leads the trainees indirectly, or directly to believing that all people they encounter in an "abnormal" situation are acting as violent criminals. The law exists (at least, from my understanding) solely for the preservation of peace and individual rights, and police officers exist for the enforcement, and preservation of the law. As such, they should act as peacekeepers instead of brigands, thugs, or members of paramilitaries.
[QUOTE=Teddi Orange;33429796]I think what I find most alarming about this news is that an inexperienced policeman was allowed to patrol alone. In the UK most of the time all units travel in teams of at least two. It's only very rare that they're allowed to patrol alone.[/QUOTE]
It depends on the department, but most cops travel alone.
I'm not sure why, I guess because think they cover more ground that way.
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;33430198]Only on duty for a month or not, what kind of police are they training to be as ready to use a taser on an old man that has no clue what is going on.[/QUOTE]
He's a new guy. He probably thought that since the guy appeared to be evading (deaf or not, you can't simply not notice flash) and thought that deploying a taser to stop his flight would be acceptable.
Wow that anchor's last name is actually Crabtree
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;33430540]It depends on the department, but most cops travel alone.
I'm not sure why, I guess because think they cover more ground that way.
[B]He's a new guy. He probably thought that since the guy appeared to be evading (deaf or not, you can't simply not notice flash)[/B] and thought that deploying a taser to stop his flight would be acceptable.[/QUOTE]
The thing is, I agree with this whole half. The problem is, there is obviously an issue when the first thing an officer goes to use is a taser, which is a weapon.
There were so many other ways to deal with this issue that did not involve the initial use of something like a taser. A taser should be used when conventional or peaceful methods are unfeasable. Not when the cop just doesn't want to overtake the rider because it's inconvenient.
[editline]26th November 2011[/editline]
Additionally, he was presumed to be drunk, therefore if anything he posed a negligible threat - On the off-chance that an elderly man on a bicycle was wielding a firearm, it was in his mouth, not his hand, and he was believed to be inebriated. If it was a knife, same deal. I don't see how anything else would warrant a large enough danger to use a taser.
[editline]26th November 2011[/editline]
I do not believe that the officer in question should be subjected to a manhunt of any kind because he fucked up and was inexperienced. But it's just plain not right to say that he was in the right doing what he did.
As much as you want to say the cop was an idiot, he actually kinda wasn't. How was the cop supposed to know the man was deaf and disabled? All he saw was a man putting things in his mouth and evading the police (even though that doesn't warrant a tase, it's still an argument)
[QUOTE=1legmidget;33430488]If an engineer designs a building or a product that is flawed due to their inexperience, and that flaw results in the death of a human being, they typically lose their licence and thus, their job, and they usually take the blame.
If an officer is inexperienced, and their actions result in the death of another human being, people come to the defense of the officer? He's on administrative leave, so he's probably still being paid, but this makes no sense to me.
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Ask yourself this.
Whose flaws caused by inexperience will (possibly) kill more people?
Poor old man..
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;33429878]For making a terrible mistake one month in to being on duty? He shouldn't get off without some manner of punishment, but everyone is quick to condemn him to hell for making a mistake due to inexperience.[/QUOTE]
Well you do have a point,but I don't see how could a mentally stable person consider an elderly person on a bike dangerous?
And use a taser?
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33431203]Ask yourself this.
Whose flaws caused by inexperience will (possibly) kill more people?[/QUOTE]
This is a bad argument, police officers are in a extremely important position in society. That's not to say I'm agreeing with the other guy, whether it's fucked up or not, human error does happen and he was only a month into the job. For now, I think it was a failure in training or instruction.
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Looking at Someguy's response I might've read this wrong or something
[QUOTE=znk666;33431227]Well you do have a point,but I don't see how could a mentally stable person consider an elderly person on a bike dangerous?
And use a taser?[/QUOTE]
In the officer's mind, he most likely just saw a man evading arrest and went for the taser not knowing what effect it would have on him. If he'd have seen him as a threat, you'd have seen a firearm used.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;33431203]Ask yourself this.
Whose flaws caused by inexperience will (possibly) kill more people?[/QUOTE]
So say a doctor misdiagnoses a patient due 2 conditions with very similar symptoms, and that patient is hurt or killed by the treatment, the doctor should lose his job forever? What if a paramedic attempting to secure a victim makes a small mistake that snowballs and kills him, should he be jailed?
People make mistakes. This cop misjudged the situation and someone died as a result. Yes, something should happen, but it shouldn't ruin his life.
[QUOTE=Laferio;33427755]So the officer saw the man take something out of his pocket (the officer thinks the man is drunk, by the way), the officer is unaware that the man is deaf, and disabled. The officer then tells him to "stop" being unaware that he is deaf, gets out of the car and uses his taser. The man falls, unable to get up and is transported to a hospital where he was declared braindead. This is a short summary of what happened before anybody goes "fuck the police."[/QUOTE]
What kind of moron do you have to be to taze an old man riding a bike who couldn't possibly be even the slightest threat to someone. I don't need police training to know how stupid that is.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;33427795]Like I pointed out, he had only been on the force for a month. He had little real experience. So he handled the situation inappropriately and it resulted in another man's death. There certainly seemed to be no malicious intent on the part of the officer, and what occurred once he had tased him was out of his control. And while it doesn't compared to the loss of life, the officer will have to live with knowing that his inexperience resulted in the death of an innocent man.[/QUOTE]
Any time potentially deadly force is used there is malicious intent. The officer used the taser knowing it would cause intense pain and had a potential to cause serious injury or death, especially of the man was on a bicycle.
[editline]25th November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;33431528]So say a doctor misdiagnoses a patient due 2 conditions with very similar symptoms, and that patient is hurt or killed by the treatment, the doctor should lose his job forever? What if a paramedic attempting to secure a victim makes a small mistake that snowballs and kills him, should he be jailed?
People make mistakes. This cop misjudged the situation and someone died as a result. Yes, something should happen, but it shouldn't ruin his life.[/QUOTE]
That is a terrible analogy because the paramedic didnt intend to do harm. A driver that accidentally hits and kills a pedestrian is still held accountable even though there was no criminal intent. In the case of this police officer you could very well argue there was intent, especially given the circumstances in which the biker was no threat.
[editline]25th November 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;33431494]In the officer's mind, he most likely just saw a man evading arrest and went for the taser not knowing what effect it would have on him. If he'd have seen him as a threat, you'd have seen a firearm used.[/QUOTE]
You should ALWAYS know what effect your weapon or compliance device will have. Saying that a firearm would have been used is equally as ignorant. Law enforcement only use deadly force as an absolute last resort.
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