• Deaf, Disabled Senior Citizen on Bicycle Deemed Threat by Police, Tased to Death
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[QUOTE=OvB;33427836]There really needs to be better procedures in place for dealing with deaf people. This reminds me of the guy in Seattle that was shot dead in the middle of the streets because he didn't respond.[/QUOTE] Indeed. My dad is deaf and we live near Seattle so I worry about what would happen if a police officer ever got close to him. "You're not turning around when I'm talking to you, obstruction of justice!"
Actualyl I jsut realized the US policies against drug evidence destruction, the officer probably thought he was swallowing his drugs and tried to stop him from doing that with his taser, which he probably was taught that way in the academy, the US offiers get a lot of shit techniques for stopping people from swallowing drugs. [editline]25th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=b4nny;33433517]Indeed. My dad is deaf and we live near Seattle so I worry about what would happen if a police officer ever got close to him. "You're not turning around when I'm talking to you, obstruction of justice!"[/QUOTE] Is your dad driving cars and riding bikes? Because that is illegal and a huge danger to everyone immo.
I feel sorry for both, that officer is going to be haunted for life for what he did and that man (obviously) didn't deserve this at all.
This doesn't say whether or not he hit his head on the ground does it? I read it 2x, but I may have missed it. Did the taser kill him, or did the fall? Also, the cop car has big red and blue lights. How did the guy miss that if he's right next to him? Seems to me like the cop tried to act with the least amount of violence possible. I mean, he didn't run over there and tackle the guy off his bike. I think from the cop's perspective, he was trying to stop a fleeing criminal. [QUOTE=OvB;33427836]There really needs to be better procedures in place for dealing with deaf people. This reminds me of the guy in Seattle that was shot dead in the middle of the streets because he didn't respond.[/QUOTE] Cops should have insane bass when they turn on their sirens that goes to a certain beat and frequency. Deaf people would learn that specific bass line and know to stop. Problem solved! :D
The rumbler already exists fyi.
[QUOTE=Master X;33433736]This doesn't say whether or not he hit his head on the ground does it? I read it 2x, but I may have missed it. Did the taser kill him, or did the fall? Also, the cop car has big red and blue lights. How did the guy miss that if he's right next to him? Seems to me like the cop tried to act with the least amount of violence possible. I mean, he didn't run over there and tackle the guy off his bike. I think from the cop's perspective, he was trying to stop a fleeing criminal. Cops should have insane bass when they turn on their sirens that goes to a certain beat and frequency. Deaf people would learn that specific bass line and know to stop. Problem solved! :D[/QUOTE] Theres a big difference between fleeing and driving normally on a bike, we dont yet know which this appeared to be.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;33434007]Theres a big difference between fleeing and driving normally on a bike, we dont yet know which this appeared to be.[/QUOTE] He was drunk so he was fleeing like any drunk would - all over the road.
You can tell the cop is inexperienced because any normal cop would have shot the man in the face for disobeying orders. (ekoj)
[QUOTE=sYnced;33434110]You can tell the cop is inexperienced because any normal cop would have shot the man in the face for disobeying orders. (ekoj)[/QUOTE] He was black, correct procedure is to call for backup and pull out your ASP Baton. Apply OC for extra flavor.
[QUOTE=comet1337;33427744]someone go taze those fucking cops[/QUOTE] Yea, see what happens when you piss off cops who are already highly known for 'jumping the gun'.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;33433608] Is your dad driving cars and riding bikes? Because that is illegal and a huge danger to everyone immo.[/QUOTE] I can't tell if you're serious, but yeah he does drive and ride bikes. It's not illegal here and he's a good driver.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;33434007]Theres a big difference between fleeing and driving normally on a bike, we dont yet know which this appeared to be.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I try to be very cautious when reading stories like this. It never seems like they give a full explanation of what's going on.
Why would the old man even have to stop. He wasn't breaking the law.
While I agree that this is a very tragic thing, why I am not surprised that people are making broad assumptions and somehow think that the police have super powers. Alright you ever so experts of everything. You must complete this task. ID to me the bicyclist who is deaf. [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/cycler.jpg[/img] [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/DSC_0068w.jpg[/img] [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/man-on-bicycle.jpg[/img] Can you point him out? Right....that's what I thought. Looking at the scenario I can see the officer's thought process. You receive a call that a bicyclist has somehow fallen off his bike and crashed it...and was harmed. You arrive on scene to see the bicyclist riding away. You are concerned as to what is going on so you attempt to stop the individual. He ignores your lights, sirens, and verbal commands and keeps peddling away. You begin to grow suspicious. You then see him produce something out of his pocket and put it into his mouth. Which begins to stir thoughts on the origin of the call - a bicyclist who had crashed. Is he consuming drugs? You attempt to stop the subject by getting out of your car (Which likely would have confirmed a visual presence) and order the subject to stop - but they keep going. Now, with all of those facts in your mind. (MIND YOU - the news story is what we know AFTER the fact. The officer knew none of this prior.) you believe you have probable cause to stop this man. He has ignored several requests to stop and you have used numerous methods to try to stop him. Now comes the error. Using a taser on someone riding a bike. Unless that individual is wanted for something major, I agree, the taser should not have been used. However - there have been numerous officers killed by individuals on bikes...and thus, with the officer being a month on the force - his training (the fear tactics they instill in your head during such about such incidents...) likely had him in a certain fear. Thus, likely, the use of the taser. Personally, I think the officer should have at least caught up to the guy and perhaps grasped ahold of his bike to make it known he wants him to stop for questioning about his activity and involvement in the bicycle crash that was originally reported. Jumping straight to the taser was over bounding it. I feel bad for both sides involved. It was an accident and not intentional, and lessons should be learned on this incident to prevent future ones.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;33433608]Actualyl I jsut realized the US policies against drug evidence destruction, the officer probably thought he was swallowing his drugs and tried to stop him from doing that with his taser, which he probably was taught that way in the academy, the US offiers get a lot of shit techniques for stopping people from swallowing drugs.[/QUOTE] Ah yes I didn't think of that, but it's true. They take that [I]very[/I] seriously.
[QUOTE=HkSniper;33438152]While I agree that this is a very tragic thing, why I am not surprised that people are making broad assumptions and somehow think that the police have super powers. Alright you ever so experts of everything. You must complete this task. ID to me the bicyclist who is deaf. [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/cycler.jpg[/img] [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/DSC_0068w.jpg[/img] [img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/man-on-bicycle.jpg[/img] Can you point him out? Right....that's what I thought. Looking at the scenario I can see the officer's thought process. You receive a call that a bicyclist has somehow fallen off his bike and crashed it...and was harmed. You arrive on scene to see the bicyclist riding away. You are concerned as to what is going on so you attempt to stop the individual. He ignores your lights, sirens, and verbal commands and keeps peddling away. You begin to grow suspicious. You then see him produce something out of his pocket and put it into his mouth. Which begins to stir thoughts on the origin of the call - a bicyclist who had crashed. Is he consuming drugs? You attempt to stop the subject by getting out of your car (Which likely would have confirmed a visual presence) and order the subject to stop - but they keep going. Now, with all of those facts in your mind. (MIND YOU - the news story is what we know AFTER the fact. The officer knew none of this prior.) you believe you have probable cause to stop this man. He has ignored several requests to stop and you have used numerous methods to try to stop him. Now comes the error. Using a taser on someone riding a bike. Unless that individual is wanted for something major, I agree, the taser should not have been used. However - there have been numerous officers killed by individuals on bikes...and thus, with the officer being a month on the force - his training (the fear tactics they instill in your head during such about such incidents...) likely had him in a certain fear. Thus, likely, the use of the taser. Personally, I think the officer should have at least caught up to the guy and perhaps grasped ahold of his bike to make it known he wants him to stop for questioning about his activity and involvement in the bicycle crash that was originally reported. Jumping straight to the taser was over bounding it. I feel bad for both sides involved. It was an accident and not intentional, and lessons should be learned on this incident to prevent future ones.[/QUOTE] Assumption after assumption, and despite the fact that the police car could've just pulled in front of him, you say that the officer was not at all responsible for his actions?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33438642]Assumption after assumption, and despite the fact that the police car could've just pulled in front of him, you say that the officer was not at all responsible for his actions?[/QUOTE] It was at night, he was flashing his lights. You'd need to be blind to not notice, and at that point pulling infront won't help anyway.
American police-force in a nutshell
[QUOTE=Laferio;33427755]So the officer saw the man take something out of his pocket (the officer thinks the man is drunk, by the way), the officer is unaware that the man is deaf, and disabled. The officer then tells him to "stop" being unaware that he is deaf, gets out of the car and uses his taser. The man falls, unable to get up and is transported to a hospital where he was declared braindead. This is a short summary of what happened before anybody goes "fuck the police."[/QUOTE] Fuck the police. Tazers are to bring down threats. Not take old men off bicycles.
imo the officer's judgement was poor - he's not a monster, but his judgement was poor it's not like he did anything sadistic, he just followed procedure for what he (wrongly) perceived was a threat [editline]25th November 2011[/editline] still, bad call by the officer. the cyclist wasn't fighting or anything, he was just ignoring him
[QUOTE=comet1337;33427744]someone go taze those fucking cops[/QUOTE] In Singapore, one of our advance police training required themselves to be TASERED before they are allowed to use TASERs. That way, our policemen will think twice before using tasers. When you know the effect of tasers, you will know how the person will feel and will probably not want to do it unless situation calls for a desperate measure. But for the case of this old man, It wasn't a life threatening situation for the cop. Why the hell would he use a taser?
[QUOTE=Chaohord;33427758]You're in a car, and he's on a bike Do you really have to tase him? Is it that hard to drive up next to him or something?[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand how unsafe that is
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;33430320]My condolences to the family of the man, and my sympathies to the officer. Dude had no way of knowing the condition of the man based on the information he was given and the way the situation was set up. His inexperience may have contributed to him doing what he deemed was necessary to stop someone that could have been dangerous to himself or someone else based on the information he had and was able to obtain. Dude did the right thing, it was just incredibly unfortunate to have brought about the man's death.[/QUOTE] lol what The information the officer had was that someone fell off their bike and hurt themselves, and that they may be drunk so someone should get them help so they don't hurt themselves again. [b]He tasered someone who he believed had hurt himself earlier due to being a dumb drunk, not a fucking hardened criminal fleeing the scene of a murder or something[/b]
You never know. People of all ages can be life-threatening depending on their mental, emotional, and physical state. Just because he's an elderly man doesn't mean he can't pull a gun and shoot you. Not trying to say this man was a threat because he surely wasn't but cops are trained not to take that risk.
[QUOTE=Soldier32;33439206]You never know. People of all ages can be life-threatening depending on their mental, emotional, and physical state. Just because he's an elderly man doesn't mean he can't pull a gun and shoot you. Not trying to say this man was a threat because he surely wasn't but cops are trained not to take that risk.[/QUOTE] then why aren't there cops tasing everybody on the street
The unfortunate thing is in other scenarios the same person very well could have had a gun
Just thinking about a deaf oldish man riding around on his bike makes me really sad.
[QUOTE=InsanePyro;33439262]The unfortunate thing is in other scenarios the same person very well could have had a gun[/QUOTE] Yeah, but you don't assume the person has a gun.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33439506]Yeah, but you don't assume the person has a gun.[/QUOTE] And then you get shot I think he should have called backup or something.
[QUOTE=InsanePyro;33440124]And then you get shot I think he should have called backup or something.[/QUOTE] EVERYONE could have a gun Cops don't call for backup every time they interact with someone
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