• Deaf, Disabled Senior Citizen on Bicycle Deemed Threat by Police, Tased to Death
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[QUOTE=InsanePyro;33440124]And then you get shot I think he should have called backup or something.[/QUOTE] It was a man drunkenly riding a bike, in what world would he be able to pull out a gun and shoot you?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33440743]It was a man drunkenly riding a bike, in what world would he be able to pull out a gun and shoot you?[/QUOTE] Are you fucking serious since when does being old make you not able to shoot a gun
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;33441366]Are you fucking serious since when does being old make you not able to shoot a gun[/QUOTE] Or drunk for that matter
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;33441366]Are you fucking serious since when does being old make you not able to shoot a gun[/QUOTE] drunk
What kind of retard cop uses a taser on somebody on a bicycle. That's not how you handle a situation, "You aren't listening to me? Okay, tasing time." It's like they are using it for fun.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;33441366]Are you fucking serious since when does being old make you not able to shoot a gun[/QUOTE] I didn't even use the word old in that description, I said "drunkenly riding a bike". It's hard enough to turn around on a bike while still moving forward, let alone while drunk, and let alone doing it steady enough to aim and fire a gun well enough to hit a police officer in a moving car.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33442079]I didn't even use the word old in that description, I said "drunkenly riding a bike". It's hard enough to turn around on a bike while still moving forward, let alone while drunk, and let alone doing it steady enough to aim and fire a gun well enough to hit a police officer in a moving car.[/QUOTE] Drunk people are even MORE prone to trying stupid shit like shooting at someone while mounted on a bike.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;33442079]I didn't even use the word old in that description, I said "drunkenly riding a bike". It's hard enough to turn around on a bike while still moving forward, let alone while drunk, and let alone doing it steady enough to aim and fire a gun well enough to hit a police officer in a moving car.[/QUOTE] You have no idea how easy firing a gun is, and drunk people get a lot of things done non-drunks can't.
[QUOTE=sa2fan;33442023]What kind of retard cop uses a taser on somebody on a bicycle. That's not how you handle a situation, "You aren't listening to me? Okay, tasing time." It's like they are using it for fun.[/QUOTE] Okay, so we have a rookie cop who receives a call about a man under the influence on a bike. He finds this man and attempts to stop him. The man ignores him and proceeds to put something into his mouth. It's possible the officer assumed he was attempting to destroy evidence before stopping (this is [I]very[/I] common when stopping drug users) and decided to stop him by deploying a Taser. What happened was unfortunate, but to say he did it for fun is just ignorant.
I read the thread title and my jaw literally dropped. My sentiments to the family, poor people.
I liked the part where cheeseman rated everyone dumb for suggesting something that's true, then offered no argument classy
Why was he initiating a stop in the first place? Just because he [i]thinks[/i] he's drunk? So what if he's drunk anyways, its not like its the end of the world over a drink (I mean, I guess it was for that dude).
[QUOTE=brianosaur;33443609]Why was he initiating a stop in the first place? Just because he [i]thinks[/i] he's drunk? So what if he's drunk anyways, its not like its the end of the world over a drink (I mean, I guess it was for that dude).[/QUOTE] Yeah men lets all get igh and drunk and drive around police can't touch this
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;33433608]Actualyl I jsut realized the US policies against drug evidence destruction, the officer probably thought he was swallowing his drugs and tried to stop him from doing that with his taser, which he probably was taught that way in the academy, the US offiers get a lot of shit techniques for stopping people from swallowing drugs. [editline]25th November 2011[/editline] Is your dad driving cars and riding bikes? Because that is illegal and a huge danger to everyone immo.[/QUOTE] Oh sorry for dumbing your previous posts. I forgot that deaf people aren't supposed to drive vehicles since hearing is important for driving
[QUOTE=OvB;33427836]There really needs to be better procedures in place for dealing with deaf people. This reminds me of the guy in Seattle that was shot dead in the middle of the streets because he didn't respond.[/QUOTE] The one where they confiscated people's cameras that were nearby?
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;33443369]I liked the part where cheeseman rated everyone dumb for suggesting something that's true, then offered no argument classy[/QUOTE] again? could've sworn ive seen him do this in a fair amount of threads. Also i feel bad for the guy, tasing was a bit excessive.
I don't understand why the cop was chasing an old guy on a bike for no reason anyway let alone tasing him to death
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;33443369]I liked the part where cheeseman rated everyone dumb for suggesting something that's true, then offered no argument classy[/QUOTE] It is not easy to fire a gun, and it's a universal fact that your hand-eye coordination is worse while drunk. That's why I rated you dumb, because it makes no sense that a person with a gun in his mouth would be able to fire from a bicycle, an unbalanced platform, and hit someone. Honestly what the fuck are you even talking about. [QUOTE=Gareth;33444414]again? could've sworn ive seen him do this in a fair amount of threads. Also i feel bad for the guy, tasing was a bit excessive.[/QUOTE] Is this the part where I am supposed to apologise for using the rating system as it was intended? I don't get it.
[QUOTE=CheeseMan;33444591]It is not easy to fire a gun, and it's a universal fact that your hand-eye coordination is worse while drunk. That's why I rated you dumb, because it makes no sense that a person with a gun in his mouth would be able to fire from a bicycle, an unbalanced platform, and hit someone. Honestly what the fuck are you even talking about. Is this the part where I am supposed to apologise for using the rating system as it was intended? I don't get it.[/QUOTE] The issue is not him accurately firing a gun at you. Shooting a gun is easy as piss, you just pull the trigger. You don't have to be accurate to get a lucky shot and hit the person you're shooting at, and cops want to avoid that.
[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;33444865]The issue is not him accurately firing a gun at you. Shooting a gun is easy as piss, you just pull the trigger. You don't have to be accurate to get a lucky shot and hit the person you're shooting at, and cops want to avoid that.[/QUOTE] After the first shot he would have fell off the bike. The chances of him hitting in the first place would be miniscule, considering he was not only old, but riding on a bike and presumed drunk. To fire a weapon he would either had to A) Used one hand to steer and the other to [I]shoot the gun behind him, while looking backwards to aim, while presumed drunk[/I] B) Stopped the bike, got off, aimed and fired normally. Let's face it, situation B is the only feasable method, and if the man did that then that is the point where the cops would have fired their tasers. At least, that's where they would have if they were acting appropriately. There was absolutely no proof towards him having a weapon, so I have absolutely no idea why this has become a question of any kind. If anything, the police used the taser because, like was said a page or two back, they probably thought he was trying to destroy evidence / consume drugs, which would have explained why he was riding oddly. A man's head is what, 1-2 feet large? "Lucky shots" are bullshit and don't happen in real life, especially considering all the factors that were surrounding this issue. The use of a taser, which is a weapon, against a man on a bicycle and not believed to be armed (and definitely not armed to the point where he could pose a risk to the officers' lives) is absurd.
Are you retarded? Firing a handgun doesn't knock you over, nor do you need great effort to fire towards something.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;33445208]Are you retarded? Firing a handgun doesn't knock you over, nor do you need great effort to fire towards something.[/QUOTE] Not while standing up, but while riding a bike + leaning to aim it would result in him either being knocked off balance or falling over. Why are you people going on about him potentially having a gun anyway? There's nothing in the story that even alludes to it so you're just rambling about something that not only was never even thought of by the police officers in question, but requires mental gynmastics to even explain.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;33443772]Yeah men lets all get igh and drunk and drive around police can't touch this[/QUOTE] He's on a bike.. get real dude
[QUOTE=brianosaur;33447997]He's on a bike.. get real dude[/QUOTE] You apparently have no idea how dangerous bikes are, not even mentioning that he could have been hit by a car.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;33448148]You apparently have no idea how dangerous bikes are, not even mentioning that he could have been hit by a car.[/QUOTE] If he was hit by a car, depending on the situation, the bicyclist would be ticketed if that was the case. The officer had no reason to stop him.
[QUOTE=brianosaur;33449224]If he was hit by a car, depending on the situation, the bicyclist would be ticketed if that was the case. The officer had no reason to stop him.[/QUOTE] Yes, if someone gets hit by a car a cop stops by and drops a ticket in your lap. And drunk drivers generally don't get stoped, no. Nor do illegal ones, like the ones who are deaf.
It seems like everyone is ignoring an important fact here, did the officer ever warn the biker he was goig to use force to stop him? Not that the biker would have heard him, but it woupd make a good case against the officer if he didn't and a good case for him if he did.
[QUOTE=CheeseMan;33444591]It is not easy to fire a gun, and it's a universal fact that your hand-eye coordination is worse while drunk. [/QUOTE] Really? Ask this officer what they think about your opinion on the matter.... [url]http://www.odmp.org/officer/20664-police-officer-tom-hayes[/url] This individual may or may not have been drunk, but the officers suspected he was... [url]http://www.odmp.org/officer/20830-police-officer-rolando-tirado[/url] And many officers have been killed by individuals fleeing on bikes... [url]http://www.odmp.org/officer/20786-police-officer-andrew-dunn[/url] I know this one is off topic but you can not even pull over to help someone with what you think is a broken down car without being shot at... [url]http://www.odmp.org/officer/20999-deputy-sheriff-james-jd-d-paugh[/url] There were several more shooting incidents that I could reasonably suspect that the shooter was intoxicated but I did not post those because it does not directly say. Let me remind you that most engagements are between five to six feet from an armed attacker in law enforcement. This is not the military where you may be getting shot at from over 100 meters out. Police shootings are typically up close and personal - and there for the poor motor skills of an intoxicated individual do not hold much ground. Intoxicated people are more of a threat than a sober person - because an intoxicated person usually makes very poor judgement calls and do not think properly. There for they can be unpredictable. With all of this in mind, I can understand why the officer did what he did. But before people start whining. "Then you are saying he was right to do that?!" No. I am not. I think it was still a poor judgement call. Just because I understand why does not mean I support what happened. If the officer was afraid to approach the subject he should have called for backup. That should be your first priority if something 'does not feel right.' Call for backup before you put yourself into the situation. More badges on scene means more eyes to watch and more guns to shoot if something goes horribly wrong. Like I said, I feel terrible for both parties involved. But it was still an accident. The officer's actions may have been intentional but at no point did he intend to kill the guy and you all know that. If he wanted to kill someone, why waste time with the taser when you have a sidearm....? It was a mistake. A poor judgement mistake that unfortunately ended a life. But stupid mistakes happen on a daily basis that end the lives of other people....why? Because every occupation is held by human beings. Who, without any doubt, make mistakes and poor judgement calls. That's called being human and what we are. We all make stupid moves once and a while. [editline]26th November 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=brianosaur;33449224]If he was hit by a car, depending on the situation, the bicyclist would be ticketed if that was the case. The officer had no reason to stop him.[/QUOTE] He was possibly involved in some sort of accident. I think the officer was well in his right mind to perhaps stop the man and see if he wanted medical attention or to see if he was intoxicated.
Dick. I hope he's charged for murder.
[QUOTE=Dogchow33;33450197]Dick. I hope he's charged for murder.[/QUOTE] I think you lost this a couple threads back: [quote]Murder is the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human being, and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide (such as manslaughter).[/quote] There are certainly still grounds for a manslaughter or civil case, but I certainly hope you dont think he killed the biker on purpose. ("Herp derp, no one will ever know I killed this guy!")
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