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[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27782034]Like dictatorships.[/QUOTE] What are you even trying to say?
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27780008]Thats why corporations are always better. Corporations always have a goal, to achieve profit as fast and efficient as possible. Government has far too much red tape to wade through. A government worker practically has to fill out 3 trees worth of paperwork in triplicate and wait for superior approval to simply take a shit.[/QUOTE] yeah bro corporations are so fucking efficient man, [img]http://www.worldwidehippies.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/nike-sweatshops.jpg[/img] look at how efficient that is, no need for human rights, corporations obviously will bring prosperity to the world!! [editline]31st January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Prismatex;27782113]What are you even trying to say?[/QUOTE] he's trying to say corporatism and dictatorships are the best systems of governments because they don't have to go through red tape
I like how the moment I mention a corporation everybody goes hipster on me and starts citing centuries old industrial revolution shit and stuff from China. Even though I never even mentioned that they should be unregulated.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27782533]I like how the moment I mention a corporation everybody goes hipster on me and starts citing centuries old industrial revolution shit and stuff from China. Even though I never even mentioned that they should be unregulated.[/QUOTE] Everyone went hipster on you? [editline]31st January 2011[/editline] what the fuck you talking about [editline]31st January 2011[/editline] like I know the word hipster has gotten some liberal usage these past ten years but what does the hell does that have to do with anything
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27778665]The whole thing is bad thats why we need to scrap it. Its not free healthcare like it should be. It forces people to buy healthcare and its retarded because the government gives subsidies to low income brackets to pay for the healthcare they are forced to buy. Why not just make it free.[/QUOTE] There is no free healthcare. [editline]31st January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Novistador;27781399]It's hilarious that leading up to this they get all up in fiery rhetoric about the greedy insurance companies, and then they deal with this by passing a law making it illegal not to give them even more money.[/QUOTE] Republican idea
Its not that hard. notice Canada has awesome health care. try to see if you can copy health care.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27782533]I like how the moment I mention a corporation everybody goes hipster on me and starts citing centuries old industrial revolution shit and stuff from China. Even though I never even mentioned that they should be unregulated.[/QUOTE] You say "corporations have no red tape" or something to that effect. Do you have any idea how much effort private health insurance companies put into not paying for procedures?
It seems to work fine in other countries. Americans just cant handle the taxes I pay.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27782533]everybody goes hipster on me[/QUOTE] oh be quiet
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;27783418]It seems to work fine in other countries. Americans just cant handle the taxes I pay.[/QUOTE] That, and the current system is hell as it is. And I don't know about you, but I certainly wouldn't like seventy five percent of my paycheck going to taxes. Fifty percent is far too much as it is. [QUOTE=Uberman77883;27782533]goes hipster.[/QUOTE] Stop using this.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27779784]It's worth noting that your county could have a single-payer system that costs less overall than what you currently have now - US spends more per capita on healthcare than Canada does yet basically covers none of the costs - you just need to make it more efficient. Somehow.[/QUOTE] Well for starters, hit insurance frauds much harder.
[QUOTE=Swilly;27783661]Well for starters, hit insurance frauds much harder.[/QUOTE] Yup, insurance fraud crackdown and removal of frivolous lawsuits that drive up the cost of malpractice insurance.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27781985]Except in the countries where it doesn't[/QUOTE] Governments are always less efficient than the private sector because the government is able to run at a loss so they don't have the same profit motive. Health care is not a debate about efficiency, at all. Also this law is unconstitutional, but they need to amend the constitution already to say that health care is a right.
[QUOTE=Uberman77883;27782034]Like dictatorships.[/QUOTE] Scandinavian countries aren't dictatorships
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27785484]Scandinavian countries aren't dictatorships[/QUOTE] Scandinavian countries aren't as efficient as dictatorships.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;27785601]Scandinavian countries aren't as efficient as dictatorships.[/QUOTE] They're also still recovering from the massive power vacuum left by the USSR.
[QUOTE=Swilly;27786081]They're also still recovering from the massive power vacuum left by the USSR.[/QUOTE] please tell me all about the history of communist norway, sweden, finland, and denmark
[QUOTE=yawmwen;27785441]Governments are always less efficient than the private sector because the government is able to run at a loss so they don't have the same profit motive. Health care is not a debate about efficiency, at all. Also this law is unconstitutional, but they need to amend the constitution already to say that health care is a right.[/QUOTE] So what is the point of having a document that limits the power of the government if the government can just modify it it to grant themselves more power?
[QUOTE=Prismatex;27786126]please tell me all about the history of communist norway, sweden, finland, and denmark[/QUOTE] Uhhh just because they weren't communist/USSR satellite doesn't mean they were unaffected by it's collapse. It's a major neighbor that exerted influence on those countries no matter what the countries' government style and alignment. [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Ridge;27786320]So what is the point of having a document that limits the power of the government if the government can just modify it it to grant themselves more power?[/QUOTE] The constitution gave us the power to amend it for this exact purpose. If we couldn't amend it then slavery would still be legal, government sponsored discrimination would be legal, and other such shit. The founding fathers understood that as times change issues will change, and the constitution might have to be altered to account for these issues.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;27786467]Uhhh just because they weren't communist/USSR satellite doesn't mean they were unaffected by it's collapse. It's a major neighbor that exerted influence on those countries no matter what the countries' government style and alignment.[/QUOTE] I could argue the same for the united states.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;27786467]Uhhh just because they weren't communist/USSR satellite doesn't mean they were unaffected by it's collapse. It's a major neighbor that exerted influence on those countries no matter what the countries' government style and alignment. [/QUOTE] they had a lot more influence from the western nato powers it's not like soviet goods were being sold in finland, for example
[QUOTE=Habsburg;27786880]I could argue the same for the united states.[/QUOTE] That wasn't my point at all. I'm not saying the USA didn't exert influence. [QUOTE=Prismatex;27786899]they had a lot more influence from the western nato powers it's not like soviet goods were being sold in finland, for example[/QUOTE] The mere presence of a superpower at your border is influential. The lack of trade is just as big a deal as if a lot of trade was done.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;27786467] The constitution gave us the power to amend it for this exact purpose. If we couldn't amend it then slavery would still be legal, government sponsored discrimination would be legal, and other such shit. The founding fathers understood that as times change issues will change, and the constitution might have to be altered to account for these issues.[/QUOTE] You avoided his point completely and managed to be severely wrong at the same time
[QUOTE=yawmwen;27786930]That wasn't my point at all. I'm not saying the USA didn't exert influence.[/QUOTE] That wasn't my point either. The US was affected by the fall of the USSR just as much as any of the Scandinavian countries.(not that much)
[QUOTE=Habsburg;27787067]That wasn't my point either. The US was affected by the fall of the USSR just as much as any of the Scandinavian countries.(not that much)[/QUOTE] Actually at least Finland was affected a great deal. [editline]1st February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=s0beit;27787027]You avoided his point completely and managed to be severely wrong at the same time[/QUOTE] How so?
[QUOTE=Ridge;27786320]So what is the point of having a document that limits the power of the government if the government can just modify it it to grant themselves more power?[/QUOTE] what yawmwen said but also if you think a public option can be effectively explained as "the government giving itself more power" you really aren't even trying to understand the issue
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27787256]what yawmwen said but also if you think a public option can be effectively explained as "the government giving itself more power" you really aren't even trying to understand the issue[/QUOTE] I'm not saying in reference to healthcare, I mean in general...
[QUOTE=Ridge;27787494]I'm not saying in reference to healthcare, I mean in general...[/QUOTE] well yawmwen still made a perfect rebuttal to your statement. The ability to amend the constitution is provisioned for in the constitution.
Good, I can't wait until the law is repealed, why would the government give FREE healthcare? Exactly! It's paid by taxes, the taxes of the people. I don't want to pay extra income tax so I can give healthcare to people who leech off the government. They need to get a job and pay for their own healthcare just like everyone else. GG Obamacare xD [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling" - Perfumly))[/highlight]
you don't pay taxes you're a teenager [editline]31st January 2011[/editline] ya know, if you pay for someone else's health care, that means that someone else is paying for your healthcare it's almost as if it evens out in the end?? crazy i know
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