Trump: I don't trust U.S. intelligence information
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[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50908677]Hillary is not under investigation even though the FBI tried like 6 times already... corrupt people hold hands above her head.
Back at ya my friend, anyone claiming to have any idea about how our economy can be influenced to do X and Y is a liar or a fool. See history for that...[/QUOTE]
Or maybe after eight Republican congressional hearings on Benghazi, multiple independent investications from the FBI, DOJ, and other investigators on Whitewater and "assassinated" political enemies and literally dozens of investigations into various scandals, Hillary coming out clean from every single one means that [I]just maybe[/I] she's not guilty? You don't get investigated EIGHT GODDAMN TIMES by Republicans out for your blood in Benghazi and get away totally scot-free unless [I]you literally did nothing wrong.[/I]
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50908677]
Back at ya my friend, anyone claiming to have any idea about how our economy can be influenced to do X and Y is a liar or a fool. See history for that...[/QUOTE]
economic failures are results of greed and stupidity, not because of the boogeyman "experts" who actually know what they're talking about
I've explained to you very basic concepts in capitalism, like the race to the bottom, passing costs to the consumer, import-export deficits, all that sort of shit. Stuff that is very well understood in economics and has demonstrably been shown to be true in the past. And you're saying "well economics is confusing, who knows lol!!"
It's not magic. It's numbers. Just because you don't understand simple economics and basic supply and demand doesn't mean Trump must be right because his idea is the zaniest. Christ, man.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50908677]Hillary is not under investigation even though the FBI tried like 6 times already... corrupt people hold hands above her head.
Back at ya my friend, anyone claiming to have any idea about how our economy can be influenced to do X and Y is a liar or a fool. See history for that...[/QUOTE]
So did you just doze off in history class or was your school severely underfunded?
Because saying something like that demonstrates not just ignorance of the history of economic theory, but all of history in general.
I'm guessing you're the exact kind of person that ate up Gove's "I think the people of this country have had enough of experts" line.
I didn't even know that Brazil was a successful economy. I think we're really starting to fall behind on this new school of philosophy, I guess we could start with some salutations. G.T.K, Blizzerd!
[QUOTE=.Isak.;50908713]I've explained to you very basic concepts in capitalism, like the race to the bottom, passing costs to the consumer, import-export deficits, all that sort of shit. Stuff that is very well understood in economics and has demonstrably been shown to be true in the past. And you're saying "well economics is confusing, who knows lol!!"
It's not magic. It's numbers. Just because you don't understand simple economics and basic supply and demand doesn't mean Trump must be right because his idea is the zaniest. Christ, man.[/QUOTE]
Blizzerd is an excellent example of the effectiveness of propaganda. He believes that Clinton was behind every conspiracy and scandal for the last 25 years and thinks she is lying about everything she says and can't be trusted, while simultaneously bending over backwards to explain away all of Trump's weaknesses as a politician, a businessman, or as a person in general, up to and including outright approval of "feels before reals" rhetoric and denial of basic facts. I am very happy he cannot vote in our nations election, but I fear for the fact that so many American's buy into this bullshit and will be casting ballots.
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[QUOTE=.Isak.;50908696]Or maybe after eight Republican congressional hearings on Benghazi, multiple independent investications from the FBI, DOJ, and other investigators on Whitewater and "assassinated" political enemies and literally dozens of investigations into various scandals, Hillary coming out clean from every single one means that [I]just maybe[/I] she's not guilty? You don't get investigated EIGHT GODDAMN TIMES by Republicans out for your blood in Benghazi and get away totally scot-free unless [I]you literally did nothing wrong.[/I][/QUOTE]
It's textbook moving the goal posts. Clinton can't win. If she was found innocent it doesn't matter; the fact that she was investigated alone makes her guilty. Nobody asks why someone who was found innocent once needs to be investigated seven more times, no one considers the political motivations, no it has to be the brave Republicans trying to reveal Clinton for the master conspirator she is. Each investigation makes her look more and more guilty when in reality it should just lead to people doubting the neutrality of the process.
Anything can be excused by the magic words "corruption" or "the system". Words that have been completely stripped of all meaning this election by people on the left and right.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50907737]Yep, ya'll were right. Trump isn't interested in the truth. He doesn't care what intelligence services have to say on the matter unless they're feeding into his delusions.
This fucking clown shouldn't even come within spitting distance of any real power, and the fact that he's now actually a goddamn [B]presidential nominee[/B] is absolutely disgusting. Anybody who has cast a vote for this guy should be ashamed of themselves. It's absolutely humiliating.[/QUOTE]
There's an interesting article by Michael Moore about a hunch that Trump doesn't actually want to be president, and this is all just a contract bargaining chip that went too far and his ego got in the way. All this stupid shit is his way of trying to find an out before he becomes an official loser in November.
[url]http://michaelmoore.com/TrumpSabotage/[/url]
[QUOTE=OvB;50909340]There's an interesting article by Michael Moore about a hunch that Trump doesn't actually want to be president, and this is all just a contract bargaining chip that went too far and his ego got in the way. All this stupid shit is his way of trying to find an out before he becomes an official loser in November.
[url]http://michaelmoore.com/TrumpSabotage/[/url][/QUOTE]
Not a big fan of Michael Moore but goddamn did he hit this one just right
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Don, if you’re reading this, do it soon. Give your pathetic party a chance to pick up the pieces and nominate Ryan or Romney so they can be the ones to lose the White House, the Senate, the House and yes, praise Jesus and the Notorious RBG, the Supreme Court. [B]Don’t be too hard on yourself. You’re only the logical conclusion to a party that has lived off the currency of racism and bigotry and fellating the 1% for decades, and now their Trump has come home to roost.[/B][/QUOTE]
Normally I don't like Moore at all, even actively dislike him most of the time.
But he's been on fucking [I]fire[/I] when it comes to the dissection of the Trump Campaign. He was on Bill Mahr a few weeks back and his points about it then were, what felt to me, insanely on point.
Blizzer is literally saying
"Well brasil didn't pay their whole debt like 15 times, so let's not pay it too!"
It's like a reverse
"Well i can buy anything i want with a credit card and just not pay anything at all"
The trump supporter are the most pathetic, weak, feeble minded hive of sheep and hypocrite i've ever seen. Trump made error from his first day he announced he would be candidate, and that would be " We're gonna build a great wall, and MEXICO IS GOING TO PAY FOR IT" "They're sending their rapists, their murderer, and some, i guess, are normal" just this.
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And this hive of hypocrite sheep will put the USA to the ground. I'm proud to be european when i see those kind of news... knowing that he will not preside my country.
even the leader of the "racist" party of my country is ways ways more debatable than.. trump.
Considering the possibility is entertaining enough but in all seriousness, what do you do as a Republican if Moore's predictions turn out to be true? How do you reconcile the fact that your party was essentially hijacked by someone who became the nominee [I]while not even caring through the entire process[/I].
If Trump backs out before election night, nobody will be talking about the DNC leaks hurting the Democrats label. It will be a legendary blow to the image of the GOP.
I don't think many [i]True Republicans™[/i] like Trump as it is, so many of them are already standing mouth agape at wtf just happened to their party as they watched it get taken over by the Alt-right Trumpers. I don't think the traditional GOP will be able to get it together before the election. Really, Trump is the best thing to happen to the Democrats because he is basically a cyanide pill for the GOP as a whole. Best case scenario for Republicans is Trump leaves and they can toss in Bush or Rubio or even Cruz or someone to take the loss and try to do damage control on a state level while Trump and his faction wreak havoc in the background.
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I've also heard noise that Trump is trying/going to create/influence a new Alt-right media empire to surpass Fox News as the more liberal leaning Murdock Sons take over News Corp and steer it more center.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50909416]If Trump backs out before election night, .[/QUOTE]
Other than some conspiracy theory, why would he?
He's still the center of attention, and it's not impossible eat away a 7-8% lead, to at the very least get a close defeat. He could stay relevant for years if that were to happen. Besides, I'm willing to bet that he genuinely believes that the polls are skewed.
Trump is the king of defaulting debt.
He's been bankrupt how many times? lol
[QUOTE=phaedon;50909524]Other than some conspiracy theory, why would he?
He's still the center of attention, and it's not impossible eat away a 7-8% lead, to at the very least get a close defeat. He could stay relevant for years if that were to happen. Besides, I'm willing to bet that he genuinely believes that the polls are skewed.[/QUOTE]
Because then Trump is a public loser.
His whole brand, fuck that, identity is centred around winning. If he loses, when he loses, how can he peddle his brand like that effectively anymore? All the bluster in the world won't save you then
[QUOTE=DiBBs27;50909595]Trump is the king of defaulting debt.
He's been bankrupt how many times? lol[/QUOTE]
Donald Trump has never been bankrupt. He has had companies -mostly his casinos- file for chapter 11 restructuring 4 times.(some say 6) Partly due to the struggling Casino industry during the recession. Much of Atlantic City struggled. Chapter 11 means the company continues to operate, but you undergo massive restructuring to pay off debts. Things like Trump selling some/most/all of his shares in that holding. It doesn't mean the company is kaput. Though I think the Trump Taj Mahal is closing this year.
[url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/21/carly-fiorina/trumps-four-bankruptcies/[/url]
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50909605]Because then Trump is a public loser.
His whole brand, fuck that, identity is centred around winning. If he loses, when he loses, how can he peddle his brand like that effectively anymore? All the bluster in the world won't save you then[/QUOTE]
I think Trump's brand has already been irreversibly tarnished. He should retire on an island, never publicly speak again, and let his kids take over the business.
You wanna know why he doesn't trust them?
[video=youtube;m7W03t1EmMo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7W03t1EmMo[/video]
[QUOTE=Techno-Man;50910031]You wanna know why he doesn't trust them?
[video=youtube;m7W03t1EmMo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7W03t1EmMo[/video][/QUOTE]
Harry Reid suggesting he's too careless to be trusted with actual classified intel isn't enough reason for Trump to be concerned about being given false information. If it was actually in Reid's power to do so, he probably wouldn't have said so on CNN, y'know. Also that channel has a bunch of videos about - among other things - Hillary's kill list, maybe you should start seeking out information elsewhere. Otherwise you might be gunned down by Clinton's hitmen.
[QUOTE=Techno-Man;50910031]You wanna know why he doesn't trust them?[/QUOTE]
But he didn't reference this at all, nor the mid-level inaccuracies reported recently about the effectiveness of the anti-ISIS campaign. He specifically said
[QUOTE]"Not so much from the people that have been doing it for our country. I mean, look what's happened over the last 10 year. Look what's happened over the years. It's been catastrophic. And, in fact, I won't use some of the people that are sort of your standards, you know, just use them, use them, use them, very easy to use them, but I won't use them because they've made such bad decisions," [/QUOTE]
Which seems to me that he is talking about the entire intelligence community at all levels across the entire past decade, not a recent statement or error.
I think that's a dumb thing for Reid to say but I don't understand why people purposefully twist Trumps words to make him not seem as ridiculous as he sounds.
I response might be hidden from the previous posts, but I've known about fraudulent intelligence groups during the Iraq war.
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Group[/url]
what you don't know is that the founder boasted at a dinner party or two scamming the pentagon (with some people who worked there or were family members of), how they made up their intel saying they had hundreds of agents in the field and just doctored that info with 1/10 of those people.
It's very possible trump knows about the bad intel, and wagging the dog by high level pentagon officials.
So yeah, if I were in his presidential running and was honest, I would say the similar thing.
[QUOTE=Jund;50908576]this back and forth is "trump's plan is stupid because x y and z" and then he responds "so stupid IT JUST MIGHT WORK" for everything[/QUOTE]
Almost word-for-word what I was thinking.
"I know it sounds stupid and all the evidence suggests Trump's ideas are delusional fantasies at best, and actively destructive at worst... but maybe they'll work despite that?"
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50910529]Almost word-for-word what I was thinking.
"I know it sounds stupid and all the evidence suggests Trump's ideas are delusional fantasies at best, and actively destructive at worst... but maybe they'll work despite that?"[/QUOTE]
don't forget the occasional "I can't believe I have to explain this to someone like you" because ad hominem lol
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50907271]How? Why?[/QUOTE]
Weapons of mass destruction?
[QUOTE=Evanstr;50911503]Weapons of mass destruction?[/QUOTE]
Chemical weapons count?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50907983]"I won't use US intelligence information"
Okay, yeah I can understand that like all espionage it could be wrong, but what exactly is the alternative?
Is he going to rely on CNN and Fox News on information about North Korea and Russia? Is he going to stick his fingers in his ears and ignore everything and do whatever comes to his 3rd grade level brain?[/QUOTE]
Other country's intel.
Remember, our intel is the intel that said WMDs were north east south and west of Baghdad and started a conflict that's still ongoing and initially involved about 38 nations. Woops
[QUOTE=TheTalon;50911892]Other country's intel.
Remember, our intel is the intel that said WMDs were north east south and west of Baghdad and started a conflict that's still ongoing and initially involved about 38 nations. Woops[/QUOTE]
The same countries he's going to levy 30% tariffs on and kick out of NATO? I'm sure Poland would love to share their intel with Trump after he pulls the Eastern European defensive bloc out from under them and then poses for photos with Putin.
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