• Ellen Pao steps down
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[QUOTE=Cows Rule;48167487]So what does this actual mean for Reddit? I honestly don't know what the whole problem is with the upper management.[/QUOTE] [quote=wikipedia]Pao joined reddit in 2013 and became interim Chief Executive Officer (CEO) in November 2014 after Yishan Wong resigned.[24] In her role as CEO, Pao eliminated salary negotiation for Reddit employees, citing a gender-discrimination motivation for the change.[25] [/quote] "no salary negotiations because sexism in the workplace". i dunno dude sounds great
[QUOTE=geel9;48167583]Yes, reddit does. That doesn't allow someone to say "CEOs answer to a board of directors and are just PR."[/QUOTE] CEOs are far more than just PR but it's completely accurate to say that they answer to the board of directors. That's the literal hierarchy of the company.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;48167662]CEOs are far more than just PR but it's completely accurate to say that they answer to the board of directors. That's the literal hierarchy of the company.[/QUOTE] Not all CEO's answer to a board of directors. Reddit's does.
[video=youtube;PHQLQ1Rc_Js]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQLQ1Rc_Js[/video]
Now we wait to see if anything does change.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48167434]Like it or not, no, CEOs don't actually do anything but PR, they're a marketing tool for when things go well, and a scapegoat for when they go bad. If you want to pretend otherwise go right ahead but expect people who actually know the first thing about business to call you delusional, because you are.[/QUOTE] You're right asteroid, I imagined the whole the thing, you caught me, I'm delusional, and know nothing about business. Oh wait, I have family that were senior staff in this company called "microsoft" who would openly talk about the impact and choices Bill Gates made as CEO before they changed, but please, talk down me, I know nothing. Not a single change was made when Steve took the helm, microsoft remained the computer company it was made to be, and at no point did they make any changes that might of, I don't know, shifted such senior staff I know into different positions of any kind like, oh whats the word? Restructuring? It's not like suddenly they had a once head executive or what ever his title was of Microsoft office suddenly working on train simulator, and after that got shut down, Bing advertising. I'm sure if I asked him he would tell me enthusiastically how nothing changed under Ballmer, about how they did they not refocus the talent in other areas of the company. And if that did happen I'm sure it's just coincidence brought to light by my own personal delusions But seriously I don't know the full story, and I could be misremembering some details, but I know enough to call you out on your fucking shit. Go peddle it else where you condescending hack of an expert on business, I am absolutely sick of your goddamn shit.
This is quite out of the blue, I didn't actually expect her to step down, I thought she'd just wait for it to all blow over. Wether it'll actually change anything is a different matter - it's entirely possible that they'll just pick another CEO with pretty much the same ideas in terms of direction. Plus she's staying on as an advisor anyway so it's not like shes left the company.
Holy shit, now this is unexpected. Does that mean that they could possibly re hire Victoria?
the worst part of this is that the shit users that left for voat will think they can come back now. hoping they left for good [editline]10th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=nomad1;48167843]Holy shit, now this is unexpected. Does that mean that they could possibly re hire Victoria?[/QUOTE] they will probably not reverse those decisions. hell after all of this we still don't know why she was fired. who's to say they would bring her back?
^ fyi one of the admins has posted about it being his decision to change the AMA format - so I doubt she'll be coming back
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[QUOTE=YouWithTheFace.;48167849]the worst part of this is that the shit users that left for voat will think they can come back now.[/QUOTE] Well I don't think they'll be reoppening /fatpeoplehate anytime soon
Looks like the [url=https://archive.is/WNwtR]articles are starting to come out, claiming "Reddit Successfully Harasses Another Woman Off the Site"[/url].
[QUOTE=Fangz;48167989]Looks like the [url=https://archive.is/WNwtR]articles are starting to come out, claiming "Reddit Successfully Harasses Another Woman Off the Site"[/url].[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Te Great Skeeve;48167511]"Evil, sexist redditors remove female CEO just because she was trying to stop sexism on reddit!" or something along those lines.[/QUOTE] ...
[QUOTE=nomad1;48167843]Holy shit, now this is unexpected. Does that mean that they could possibly re hire Victoria?[/QUOTE] what makes you think this was solely her decision lol this entire drama was a clusterfuck with ganging on a figurehead as a scapegoat people like /u/kn0thing and other admins probably had more to do with the drama more than ellen ever did lol
Vox was saying that before she was even fired. We cant be too surprised. Unlikely this will actually change much. Still, get fucked, chairman pao. Isnt she remaining on the board though, making this more symbolic than anything?
[QUOTE=Fangz;48167989]Looks like the [url=https://archive.is/WNwtR]articles are starting to come out, claiming "Reddit Successfully Harasses Another Woman Off the Site"[/url].[/QUOTE] To be fair, that article has a point. The petition is what did it, constant harassment of anyone regardless of whether they are a CEO or a fucking cleaner is not okay I mean ellen pao may not have been a good CEO but that doesnt mean everyone gets to decide shes a bad person and demonise her as well
[QUOTE=killerteacup;48168141]To be fair, that article has a point. The petition is what did it, constant harassment of anyone regardless of whether they are a CEO or a fucking cleaner is not okay I mean ellen pao may not have been a good CEO but that doesnt mean everyone gets to decide shes a bad person and demonise her as well[/QUOTE] Why doesnt everyone get to decide a bad person is a bad person for doing bad things? The problem is the few idiots sending death threats. Not valid criticism of a public figure. This is one of those people who sues former employers for nonexistant sexism, asking the same amount as her husband's fraud suit. People get so up in arms at sexism right, it's fair to get just as angry at people abusing the term for personal gain. And she tries to paint all these critics of her as sexist, further digging her into the "terrible fucking person" hole.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;48167247]Honestly, I'm quite surprised this actually happened, considering how many "casual Internet users" Reddit has now that only care about AskReddit etc. and not the site politics.[/QUOTE] IMO this the exact reason it has happened. A lot of the casual users care about things like IAMA and see it as being damaged by their actions.
"It sounds like Pao served her role as the interim CEO perfectly. People were supposed to hate her so she could make changes the board of directors wanted that they knew some users would hate. Then the white knight new CEO sweeps in to save the day and everyone is happy. They also promise to continuo Pao's mission to make this a safe place so that should be fun." - a redditor dude this sounds so perfect lmao then again, anyone that thought ellen pao was the witch tyrant that single handedly drove reddit to a direction should be laughed at
[QUOTE=Mattk50;48168190]Why doesnt everyone get to decide a bad person is a bad person for doing bad things? The problem is the few idiots sending death threats. Not valid criticism of a public figure. This is one of those people who sues former employers for nonexistant sexism, asking the same amount as her husband's fraud suit. People get so up in arms at sexism right, it's fair to get just as angry at people abusing the term for personal gain. And she tries to paint all these critics of her as sexist, further digging her into the "terrible fucking person" hole.[/QUOTE] Considering the userbase of reddit, which has 36 million users, the group you call 'a few idiots' could easily amount to about 50,000-100,000 people, maybe more. Imagine the state of her private inbox and email address. Considering the largest demographic in reddit is 18-29 year old males, I'd imagine that the largest demographic sending her death threats is 18-29 year old males too. If I were a female CEO of a company receiving a huge amount of death threats from a group of disgruntled males who probably call her a bitch/slut without thinking much about what it means, I'd cry sexism too - because it is. It's not sexist to criticise her decisions as a CEO, or to criticise the validity of her lawsuits but ultimately nobody on the internet knows this person so really there is absolutely no way to justify any harassment that took place of her and that's what the article was basically saying. Criticism of a public figure is fine but let's be real for a second, how often do you think public figures receive valid criticism in their inbox? Anyway the article never said she was a good CEO (she wasn't) but as for whether she's a good [I]person[/I] I don't really think that's for anyone on the internet to judge
[QUOTE=killerteacup;48168296]Considering the userbase of reddit, which has 36 million users, the group you call 'a few idiots' could easily amount to about 50,000-100,000 people, maybe more. Imagine the state of her private inbox and email address. Considering the largest demographic in reddit is 18-29 year old males, I'd imagine that the largest demographic sending her death threats is 18-29 year old males too. If I were a female CEO of a company receiving a huge amount of death threats from a group of disgruntled males who probably call her a bitch/slut without thinking much about what it means, I'd cry sexism too - because it is. It's not sexist to criticise her decisions as a CEO, or to criticise the validity of her lawsuits but ultimately nobody on the internet knows this person so really there is absolutely no way to justify any harassment that took place of her and that's what the article was basically saying. Criticism of a public figure is fine but let's be real for a second, how often do you think public figures receive valid criticism in their inbox? Anyway the article never said she was a good CEO (she wasn't) but as for whether she's a good [I]person[/I] I don't really think that's for anyone on the internet to judge[/QUOTE] There is a big divide between the whatever amount of people that will probably send hatemail/mean messages and actual death threats. People who send actual death threats on the internet are not in such large number. Dont buy into kotaku's fearmongering on that subject. Like, seriously, a hundred thousand people sending death threats? get real, we barely got 150k to sign the [petition.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;48168368]There is a big divide between the whatever amount of people that will probably send hatemail/mean messages and actual death threats. People who send credible death threats on the internet are not in such large number. Dont buy into kotaku's fearmongering on that subject.[/QUOTE] I don't think I've read kotaku in my life, but don't be naive, it happens a lot more than the number you use to justify it as 'rare'. Furthermore hatemail and mean messages are still pretty fuckin upsetting if you're on the receiving end of them
[QUOTE=killerteacup;48168379]I don't think I've read kotaku in my life, but don't be naive, it happens a lot more than the number you use to justify it as 'rare'. Furthermore hatemail and mean messages are still pretty fuckin upsetting if you're on the receiving end of them[/QUOTE] This kind of fear of the edge case death threat morons only feeds back into giving them more power. There really isnt an army of misogynist basement dweller death threat senders, just a few idiots. Hatemail and mean messages are in the internet feels territory of "deal with it", people have some right to voice their opinion on your being a shitty person. You can filter it if you want, hell, most of reddit's top voted comments in threads relating to pao arent mean, just critical from what i've seen. As long as it's not one nutjob sending them all and following you around it's not really harrassment either.
[Quote]As a closing note, it was sickening to see some of the things redditors wrote about Ellen. [1] The reduction in compassion that happens when we’re all behind computer screens is not good for the world. People are still people even if there is Internet between you. If the reddit community cannot learn to balance authenticity and compassion, it may be a great website but it will never be a truly great community. Steve’s great challenge as CEO [2] will be continuing the work Ellen started to drive this forward.[/Quote] oops! can't say I'm too surprised about that. those people are just going to view their behavior as justified now considering they got what they wanted...
Glad to know that death threats, slanderous pages, libel and the sheer anger of people not wanting to have someone who prefers gender equality has helped in making someone who has actually allowed reddit to survive step down! Good job guys! /s
dunno if it's been said in here but I hope you'll all keep in mind that she was an interim ceo, she was a temp that was [I]meant[/I] to take the heat for decisions made by higherups so that somebody can be introduced once the dust has settled that everyone is "neutral" to.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48168473]Glad to know that death threats, slanderous pages, libel and the sheer anger of people not wanting to have someone who prefers gender equality has helped in making someone who has actually allowed reddit to survive step down! Good job guys! /s[/QUOTE] We sure showed that woman who is boss!
6th most upvoted post ever on reddit. (And very quickly rising) (98% upvoted) Just a small minority on reddit right guys? [editline]11th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48168473]Glad to know that death threats, slanderous pages, libel and the sheer anger of people not wanting to have someone who prefers gender equality has helped in making someone who has actually allowed reddit to survive step down! Good job guys! /s[/QUOTE] I am 99% sure it had nothing to do with gender equality. She was bad at PR, people thought she was a bad CEO. End of questions. Don't make this into a feminism issue because that is absolutely not what it is, and never has been.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48168473]Glad to know that death threats, slanderous pages, libel and the sheer anger of people not wanting to have someone who prefers gender equality has helped in making someone who has actually allowed reddit to survive step down! Good job guys! /s[/QUOTE] "allowed reddit to survive" and "prefers gender equality", get a load of these assertions. What damp cave did you pull those ideas out of?
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