• Ellen Pao steps down
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guys i think ceos are just for pr really sources: my 0 years of experience as a ceo my 0 knowledge of high level business operations ass
[QUOTE=Magman77;48169020]cause you have to work in a field to know anything about it[/QUOTE] So why stop now? Companies are always looking for arm chair CEOs!
I didn't even know an internet forum could have a CEO. I always thought it was just some dude with website design skills paying a third party contractor to host his site on their servers. What would a CEO even do? Hope you get enough profit from add revenue?
[QUOTE=cqbcat;48176607]I didn't even know an internet forum could have a CEO. I always thought it was just some dude with website design skills paying a third party contractor to host his site on their servers. What would a CEO even do? Hope you get enough profit from add revenue?[/QUOTE] It's a company owned by Conde Nast , the same publisher that publishes En Vogue, Glamour, GQ and Wired [editline]11th July 2015[/editline] Haha wow [url]https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance_Publications[/url]
ding dong the witch is dead
I reddit but i still don't see why it's really news worthy, people come and go, how long do you think Gabe Newell will retain his throne at valve?
[QUOTE=Th3applek1d;48169038]Why do people hate her?[/QUOTE] suing her former employer for bullshit "gender discrimination" reasons, husband involved in a ponzi scheme, as well as banning salary negotiations to "even the playing field
Welp... [URL="http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/11/reddit-ellen-pao-women-ceo"]http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/11/reddit-ellen-pao-women-ceo[/URL] [QUOTE]That was the analysis of one expert in the aftermath of Pao’s decision to resign from Reddit late on Friday, after almost a week during which users hurled insults, hate mail and even death threats her way over the firing of a popular site administrator. Reddit chief Ellen Pao resigns after receiving 'sickening' abuse from users Read more “Oftentimes, the women who inherit the problems are put in precarious positions, and if they fail, they are blamed for it,” said Marianne Cooper, a sociologist at Stanford University’s Clayman Institute for Gender Research and the lead researcher for Lean In: Women, Work, and the Will to Lead, a book written by Sheryl Sandberg, the chief operating officer of Facebook.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Ariane Hegewisch is study director at the Institute for Women’s Policy Research in Washington DC, and an expert on workplace discrimination and sexual harassment issues. On Friday, she said the level of criticism directed at Pao may not have been because of her lawsuit, but because of the nature of the business she was in. “Reddit is a medium that has engaged users and encourages participation,” Hegewisch said. “Users are valid forces and they are showing that they are angry with Pao.” However, Hegewisch said, Pao’s anti-harassment policies were probably inspired by her gender discrimination suit. Her experience showed that Reddit needed the new policies.[/QUOTE]
What the hell? This is seriously their new narrative? Does she have friends in the media or something again?
To Be Honest I would think Gawker would fall on her side... it did... BUT THE GUARDIAN!?
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;48177684]To Be Honest I would think Gawker would fall on her side... it did... BUT THE GUARDIAN!?[/QUOTE] The guardian had been like that for months now. They recently threw in a jab against Gamergate for no reason when talking about the FIFA Women's World Cup.
[QUOTE=TurtleeyFP;48177661]What the hell? This is seriously their new narrative? Does she have friends in the media or something again?[/QUOTE] Hilariously enough, it's beginning to infect Reddit now.
Looks like [url=newsdiffs.org/diff/934341/934454/www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/technology/ellen-pao-reddit-chief-executive-resignation.html]another editor at the New York Times hijacked a neutral article about the resignation and 'made it fit the new narrative'[/url].
[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;48177684]To Be Honest I would think Gawker would fall on her side... it did... BUT THE GUARDIAN!?[/QUOTE] The Guardian employs Valenti, of course they are gonna go for the soggy narrative.
[URL="http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2015/07/reddit_amageddon_what_it_s_really_about.html"]David Auerbach wrote a pretty good piece on the matter[/URL]. [QUOTE]In other words, firing Taylor lit the fuse of a very large pile of dynamite. With their submissions and comments, Reddit’s rank-and-file users effectively provide free content and labor to Reddit and parent company Advance Publications, in exchange for which they get no money, just reputation points and occasional Reddit Gold (not to be confused with real gold). Yet their efforts pale next to those of the volunteer moderators (“mods”), who act as sheriffs of individual “subreddits” like /r/IAmA, /r/science, and until recently /r/fatpeoplehate, the banning of which spurred a user revolt last month. Normally, it’s the mods who clamp down on the uprisings of the hoi polloi and stamp out profane comments, inappropriate images, and mass cross-subreddit invasions (“brigades”), a mostly thankless task for which they also receive zilch. This time, however, the mods themselves revolted, and their powers let them do far more damage to Reddit than annoyed haters of fat people. The result makes evident the cracks in Reddit’s business model—and raises questions about how long the site can survive in its present structure. ...In exchange for power to police the community and a degree of influence over what the community does, these mods do the janitorial work of reining in trolls and sheer nonsense that Facebook and Twitter outsource to offshore employees. But patronage has a different incentive structure than corporate capitalism, and the unprofitable Reddit has few resources to spare to help mods do their job. For years the mods have asked for better moderation tools and a better mail system for communicating with each other and with Reddit, to little effect. Many mods say that they could stop much of the present abuse and harassment on the site if they could better track and discipline offenders and trolls, rather than having to rely on a handful of admins every time a case of harassment comes up. “We don’t have tools to stop brigading or quickly make admins aware of doxxing,” wrote one mod, and Reddit has made little progress toward this end. [B]So when Pao tells the New York Times that the dissatisfied Redditors are merely a vocal minority, she is technically right. Unfortunately, that vocal minority also provides the labor and content that allow Reddit to exist.[/B] Though most of the top subreddits were reopened within a day or two, Reddit management is still on a short leash. ... Alongside the recent firings of Taylor and its senior vice president for product, Dan McComas (kickme444), Reddit has recently suffered a serious talent drain, losing 23 people—more than a third of its workforce—in the past nine months alone, in part due to a company mandate that remote employees relocate to San Francisco or lose their jobs. There may only be one or two remaining employees who have any long-standing and healthy relationship with Reddit’s mods and users. Mods clearly are willing to put up with a lot of poor treatment in exchange for the status rewards of their position, and Ohanian appears to have been genuinely surprised that they finally reached a breaking point after the years of contempt directed at them. But while AMAgeddon may be over, tensions remain high. [B]The mods of AskReddit have erected a timer saying that if the company does not follow through on its promise to give them two sets of better tools by Sept. 30 and then Dec. 31, they will shut down AskReddit, the single most popular subreddit on the site.[/B] [/QUOTE] It's pretty hilarious that people are still trying to push the sexism angle despite this clearly being about core users and janitors getting shafted by the administration. If they keep fucking over the content creators and the janitors people are going to pack up their bags and leave. They can do it for free anywhere they want, and the leeches are going to follow eventually.
[QUOTE=pgr2gamer;48167468]I have a feeling this will be used as propaganda towards more feminist stuff[/QUOTE] Women can be great leaders, but you've always got pricks in the bunch
[QUOTE=Fangz;48177795]Looks like [url=newsdiffs.org/diff/934341/934454/www.nytimes.com/2015/07/11/technology/ellen-pao-reddit-chief-executive-resignation.html]another editor at the New York Times hijacked a neutral article about the resignation and 'made it fit the new narrative'[/url].[/QUOTE] I'm gonna save this and treasure it. This goes to show, even mainstream media will use any bullshit they can find if it sells better. I'm fully expecting all Wikipedia articles about this to be controlled by a tiny group to protect it against 'misogynists', maybe a few TV interviews with hostile Reddit comments "you suck" flashing over the screen, probably a few Patreon campaigns to help her recover if she wasn't so rich. If the general public (and uninformed userbase) wasn't in favor of Reddit being a 'safe space' before, they definitely will now that every news outlet is demonstrating how terrible and evil the site is. Unless that was their plan from the start of the backlash. :tinfoil: [editline]a[/editline] AMAGeddon was an inside job
[QUOTE=Water-Marine;48175576]I'm a little confused as to why people think it's a sexism thing. Most threads on Reddit discussing this resignation seem to assume it is(especially the Askreddit megathread), but not a whole lot that I've seen so far seems to link to it. Sure, there's hateful comments thrown around about how she was a bad CEO, but I really haven't seen any top comments that link her skills to simply being a woman. What's going on here?[/QUOTE] because it fits the narrative why would they ever admit a Beautiful Professional Female™ is capable of doing wrong when they [I]could[/I] just blame those hordes of evil bespectacled sweaty woman-hating male rascals who hate women
[QUOTE=Limed00d;48167490]how exactly asking as a feminist here[/QUOTE] well there was this [url]http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/7/redditrevolt-is-harassment-dressed-up-as-free-speech.html[/url]
Can someone kindly tl;dr for me the whole ellen pao fiasco [editline]12th July 2015[/editline] Cause it sounds like a clusterfuck
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;48178855]Can someone kindly tl;dr for me the whole ellen pao fiasco [editline]12th July 2015[/editline] Cause it sounds like a clusterfuck[/QUOTE] Pao tried to sue previous company for gender discrimination, failed spectacularly Husband is part of Ponzi scheme Joins Reddit as interim CEO, promises more transparency and promoting free speech. Around this time, many subs are banned due to "harassment" People believe Pao's previous work to be very poor and petty, start a petition to remove Pao before Reddit is run to the ground Victoria(important person in organizing and handling AMAs) is fired, people blaim Pao. Many subs shut down in protest of poor communication between admins and mods Pao resigns from CEO seat, Reddit cofounder steps up
[QUOTE=Ignhelper;48178855]Can someone kindly tl;dr for me the whole ellen pao fiasco [editline]12th July 2015[/editline] Cause it sounds like a clusterfuck[/QUOTE] Someone with a shady history became the CEO of Reddit, implemented/took blame for a bunch of very unpopular choices, stepped down after the site had an E-riot and now the media is calling it sexism because she was despised. Am I missing anything?
[URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/07/11/can-reddit--tamed-probably-not/30015217/"]http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/07/11/can-reddit--tamed-probably-not/30015217/[/URL] [QUOTE]"It wasn't against the site rules, but it was un-called for," says Max Patrick Schlienger, who moderates one of the Reddit communities. Folks who create subreddits like that are in the tiny, minority, he says. Some 98% of the Reddit community are "normal, great people," he says. "As with any large group, there will be people who do distasteful things." He thinks the solution, going forward, is not to delete subreddits, since the community clearly won't stand for it, but to give positive reinforcement to the great categories, to "applaud the people for having positive ones."[/QUOTE] Also The article doesn't mention Victoria Firing [QUOTE]Reddit is a "legitimate platform for people of like minds to communicate, but it will never draw the interest of the general public," he said.[/QUOTE]
The stance on Shadowbanning has been revised now as the first action by the new CEO: [img]http://i.imgur.com/WS8T9Gc.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Fangz;48181299]The stance on Shadowbanning has been revised now as the first action by the new CEO: [img]http://i.imgur.com/WS8T9Gc.png[/img][/QUOTE] Jesus, now that's a great leap forward. Shadowbanning has always been fantastically bullshit. Especially since some subreddits used it to their advantage to shadowban users just because they subscribed to a sub the mods didn't appreciate.
What exactly did she do to get on half of reddit's bad side? I'm not saying this sarcastically to incite an argument btw, I'm actually interested in seeing what she did.
[QUOTE=ArchXeno;48181324]What exactly did she do to get on half of reddit's bad side? I'm not saying this sarcastically to incite an argument btw, I'm actually interested in seeing what she did.[/QUOTE] Literally a few posts above you, but she promised more transparency and free speech before banning a fuckload of oddly specific subs for "harassment". A lot of people were pissed off, for example, that she would ban FatPeopleHate and not Coontown(racist as shit sub) or PicsOfDeadKids
[QUOTE=ArchXeno;48181324]What exactly did she do to get on half of reddit's bad side? I'm not saying this sarcastically to incite an argument btw, I'm actually interested in seeing what she did.[/QUOTE] Her policy on shadow banning, pushing for Reddit to become 'a safe place', and the lack of communication with the community are just a few examples of things that got her on Reddit's community's bad side.
This whole situation is a bunch of shit. Everyone just hated her because she took down the fathate subreddit or whatever it was called. Even if they did make up reasons for them to hate her after that fiasco was done.
[QUOTE=Ybbat;48181404]This whole situation is a bunch of shit. Everyone just hated her because she took down the fathate subreddit or whatever it was called. Even if they did make up reasons for them to hate her after that fiasco was done.[/QUOTE]Sure if one ignores the complaints that have existed about her since before she took down those subreddits, then you've got a point. But if one doesn't do something moronic such as that, then your argument just falls flat on its face.
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