• 72% of parents think a video game ban would be good
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Sadly, this law wouldn't really change anything. Indifferent or apathetic parents will still buy their kids whatever game they ask for, no matter its content. You can't deny that it almost always has a negative effect on the kids. I'm not at all saying they grow up to be serial killers or even are overtly violent people, but I work and volunteer a lot with kids, and those who play violent shooters and such have this sense of faux maturity about them, like they try to act mature but fall very short. In comparison to other kids who seem more natural when acting their age, those exposed to the graphic content of many games (or tv for that matter) tried, uncomfortably, to act like adults while maintaining an immature perspective. When I say kids I mean usually 12 or younger.
[QUOTE=iPat;24848956]Sadly, this law wouldn't really change anything. Indifferent or apathetic parents will still buy their kids whatever game they ask for, no matter its content. You can't deny that it almost always has a negative effect on the kids. I'm not at all saying they grow up to be serial killers or even are overtly violent people, but I work and volunteer a lot with kids, and those who play violent shooters and such have this sense of faux maturity about them, like they try to act mature but fall very short. In comparison to other kids who seem more natural when acting their age, those exposed to the graphic content of many games (or tv for that matter) tried, uncomfortably, to act like adults while maintaining an immature perspective. When I say kids I mean usually 12 or younger.[/QUOTE] So they try to be mature...and that's bad?
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24849028]So they try to be mature...and that's bad?[/QUOTE] It is if it exposes them to "evil material" and they aren't ready for it, though they might feel that they are.
Gotta grow up some time
I wasn't trying to push for small kids to play games; I'm just saying that it should be up to the parents, meaning they should take a more active role in their child's upbringing than most do. Also the government shouldn't step in so much in intrafamily business. They shouldn't be able to get so much power. The more people are lazy, the more rights they seem to lose to the big cats in government who are power hungry. They are not self-limiting at all. Instead of regulating and growing government so much, please just make sure the parents take responsibility again!
When/If I have kids, I'll basically do what my parents did. Choose the sort of violence in games. When my brother was 9 or 10, I bought him rouge squadron for N64. Even though the rating was teen, my parents were okay with it, as it didn't show blood, or graphic violence, just some exploding spaceships. I only really started playing M games when I was 13.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24849028]So they try to be mature...and that's bad?[/QUOTE] It's not the maturity that comes with growing up and experiencing the world, it's a false sense of maturity that comes with seeing a single exaggerated aspect of adulthood (violence) before they can really understand it
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24849080]Gotta grow up some time[/QUOTE] Growing up is a process of learning life lessons, not video game lingo, and making a jackass out of your self on xbox live.
[QUOTE=OogalaBoogal;24849103]When/If I have kids, I'll basically do what my parents did. Choose the sort of violence in games. When my brother was 9 or 10, I bought him rouge squadron for N64. Even though the rating was teen, my parents were okay with it, as it didn't show blood, or graphic violence, just some exploding spaceships. I only really started playing M games when I was 13.[/QUOTE] More to the point that kids mature at different rates. The current ESRB doesn't account for that at all. Just numbers. I'm fine with the ESRB, but I don't think it should be up to the government to enforce them. Sure ESRB ratings are 'optional', but if you want it to be successful, you have to submit to it. The ESRB is probably filled with a bunch of Soccermoms, judging by the way they rate CSS/HL2/Halo. I'm frankly surprised they didn't rate Portal M. Betya they'll rate Portal 2 M. Both games probably have zero human-human violence, but they are nuts. How the hell is Halo M? You can't gib them, no language you wouldn't hear at home, and no sex! Shooting aliens is obviously a character flaw and a bad example. I for one, matured quite quick mentally; Someone I know got the same kind of games I did a little later, and he clearly can't handle them. He stays on ALL DAY. The issue isn't really the level of gore or violence, he's actually quite docile, and never swears; He just has time management issues.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;24849272]Growing up is a process of learning life lessons, not video game lingo, and making a jackass out of your self on xbox live.[/QUOTE] Growing up is learning from mistakes and becoming better, if part of that is by being made fun of for being annoying on xbox live then so be it
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24849319]Growing up is learning from mistakes and becoming better, if part of that is by being made fun of for being annoying on xbox live then so be it[/QUOTE] So you think it's good for kids to be learning extreme language and racial slurs at that young of an age?
[QUOTE=DrMortician;24849344]So you think it's good for kids to be learning extreme language and racial slurs at that young of an age?[/QUOTE] And then they get told by someone somewhere that they shouldn't be using such extreme language around certain people, such as adults or people of authority. Yeah, that's kinda how some people grow up, it's normal
the esrb is full of bullshit.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;24849344]So you think it's good for kids to be learning extreme language and racial slurs at that young of an age?[/QUOTE] That's not the problem, well it is, but isn't. No they really shouldn't play them, but look-most things depicted in games is true. What needs to be fixed is the seeds of the story of the game. Get rid of real problems, like prostitution, drugs, alcoholism, and racial differences and they won't apply in real life; thus wouldn't appear in games. The problem is governmental intervention. It's not their business what kids play! Fix physical problems with society, like those mentioned above, rather than debate to ban a type of medium.
[QUOTE=darius_bielecki;24846932]Since when could minors buy 'ultra-violent or sexually violent video games without parental consent' anyway?[/QUOTE] Visa gift cards and Steam. Torrent also helps.
I played games my whole life and I do not want to kill people mindlessly. Strategy games being my most fav- I now have a sudden urge to take over this country and conquer the world.
[QUOTE=DrMortician;24849344]So you think it's good for kids to be learning extreme language and racial slurs at that young of an age?[/QUOTE] my moms friend brought over her 8 yr old son and like 5 yr old daughter once and he called my friend gay. they are quite religious and stuff i guess and probably go to church. the moral of this? kids will learn bad words and use them inappropriately. thats fucking inevitable, even at a young age. its up to the parents to tell them that yes, bad words exist, and that they shouldnt use them. ignorance and sheltering kids is just dumb and produces unadjusted kids who cant handle life.
anybody could get a statistic like that it just takes wording like when penn & teller did the petition to ban water
[QUOTE=Lone_Star94;24849428]Visa gift cards and Steam. Torrent also helps.[/QUOTE] Steam does its best to make sure you're an adult
[QUOTE=Jessesmith1;24849509]anybody could get a statistic like that it just takes wording like when penn & teller did the petition to ban water[/QUOTE] your 2 pages late. the title is misleading, the vote whether or not kids can buy those games without parental permission. [editline]07:01PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Tetracycline;24849526]Steam does its best to make sure you're an adult[/QUOTE] plz enter ur age (dont lie):
[QUOTE=Kybalt;24849534]your 2 pages late. the title is misleading, the vote whether or not kids can buy those games without parental permission. [editline]07:01PM[/editline] plz enter ur age (dont lie):[/QUOTE] Like I said, thats the best it can do really
[QUOTE=Kybalt;24849534]your 2 pages late. the title is misleading, the vote whether or not kids can buy those games without parental permission.[/QUOTE] oh well fuck you then
72% of parents are lazy and don't want to take responsibility for teaching their kid to be violent so they blame them grand theft autos instead. :colbert:
[QUOTE=Jessesmith1;24849597]oh well fuck you then[/QUOTE] :smith:
As said in the OP, it's the jobs of the parents to limit game time. I'm not going to lie, it does effect you, playing 12 hours of Oblivion can mess with your brain to the point you feel you can kill someone with no consequences, but I just stay in the house and think of happy things.
[QUOTE=Tetracycline;24849370]And then they get told by someone somewhere that they shouldn't be using such extreme language around certain people, such as adults or people of authority. Yeah, that's kinda how some people grow up, it's normal[/QUOTE] But then they associate this degrading language and subject matter with behavior acceptable as an adult, and almost every kid wants to be an adult. They try and add 2 + 2 but get 3
[QUOTE=Squad;24847085]When I was younger my dad got mad at me for playing video games all the time. Now that I am a few years away from being a doctor, I doubt he would say video games destroyed my life and I would have been better off without playing them. Also, I am tired of OVER SENSITIVE people FUCKING up the world. Just because YOU don't agree with something doesn't mean you should BAN it from EVERYONE. You don't like boobs? DON'T FUCKING WATCH SHOWS WITH BOOBS IN THEM. But don't fucking take them away from me. You don't like video games, DON'T FUCKING PLAY THEM. You don't like "bad words", grow the fuck up and don't listen to music or radio or television that has "bad language". Don't fucking ruin life for me, because you are too much of a god damn pansy to to hear or see something.[/QUOTE] Your argument is terrible because it's what everybody else with common sense thinks. It's like when they had that crap on FOX about sehks in Mass Effect, and the guy representing the gamers' argument was "Well it'a ALIEN sex so it's not REAL!". C'mon.
[QUOTE=Kybalt;24849457]ignorance and sheltering kids is just dumb and produces unadjusted kids who cant handle life.[/QUOTE] Agree From what I've seen, these kids are the most screwed later in life. They'll get massive culture shocks from their own culture. These parents are too attentive. There's definitely a middle ground.
[QUOTE=implaying8;24849737]Agree From what I've seen, these kids are the most screwed later in life. They'll get massive culture shocks from their own culture. These parents are too attentive. There's definitely a middle ground.[/QUOTE] Exactly, there is a middle ground somewhere between playing ultraviolent games and not even being allowed to watch tv. It's up to the parents to gauge their child and decide. [editline]06:16PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Andokool12;24849716]Your argument is terrible because it's what everybody else with common sense thinks. It's like when they had that crap on FOX about sehks in Mass Effect, and the guy representing the gamers' argument was "Well it'a ALIEN sex so it's not REAL!". C'mon.[/QUOTE] If you're talking about the guy from gametrailers, I don't remember that part. He made valid points that mass effect required you to show vested interest in the person before you could have sex and that it was actually a good lesson for people of all ages.
ITT: Parents blame their shitty parenting skills on video games, rather than being responsible and admitting that they're shitty parents. [editline]04:20PM[/editline] My parents even play video games, goddamn. And my dad played Castle Wolfenstein when he was my age.
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