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[QUOTE=Tudd;52197533]The Nazi Party implemented socialist policies.[/QUOTE] Don't be shy, add some more to the conversation. Policies such as?
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52197618]Don't be shy, add some more to the conversation. Policies such as?[/QUOTE] I'm assuming he's talking about goebbels propaganda operations.
[QUOTE=MrJazzy;52197599]But then they stopped once their power were secured. It was never really part of their doctrine.[/QUOTE] Lol, I can see that most of y'all have a surface level understanding of the Nazi party. That statement is just flat out wrong. Though it is a complicated system that truly blends different systems so it is understandable. National Socialism allowed for the use of both capitalistic and socialistic systems. So just the existence of one didn't count out the other first of all. They were nearly always intervened for nationalistic aims is the important part. You can see how this starts to differentiate from something like democratic socialism with that national focus, but both systems still are socialistic in nature. Also National Socialism is racially exclusive obviously and thus the socialistic benefits were only for "German" citizens that best represented their racial ideas. But the Nazi government throughout its whole lifespan implemented socialist policies, such as offering loans to newly married couples, subsidies for children and childcare, unions such as DAF played a huge role in worker representation, public services offered by state expense (healthcare, youth programs like the Hitler Youth/League of German Girls, etc), welfare expanded, price controls everywhere, and so much more. They never stopped implementing socialist policies, it was always part of the party and fundamental. Even at a certain level, Germans expect the state to provide certain policies or services culturally and that even holds true today. Hitler knew this and thus incorporated socialism into his National Socialism theory to the point it is in the name. They were undoubtedly also capitalistic in practice with private businesses where it was deemed effective or well established. The companies like Porsche, Henschel, Krupp, etc all competing for military contracts are examples of this, because competition was also fundamental in a Social Darwinism based-theory like national socialism, but this is where "Nationalism" of the Nationalist Socilaism doctrine came into play. Because no matter if the industry or state controlled entity was capitalistic or socialist in nature, both would be aimed to national focuses by government intervention. Albert Speer's handling of the private companies towards the war effort is a clear example of this.
I guess confiscating the wealth of Jews for the state while they headed off to the camps is kind of a socialism, so yeah Tudd may be on to something here
The Nazis preserved private control, sure, but they also intimately controlled how those privately owned entities ran. They controlled production, prices, etc. to a very high level.
it wasn't socialism, nor really capitalism. the point is that all economic and social life was to be directed to the singular goal of serving the state and the nation the means by which they achieved this did not matter
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;52198472]it wasn't socialism, nor really capitalism. the point is that all economic and social life was to be directed to the singular goal of serving the state and the nation the means by which they achieved this did not matter[/QUOTE] It was a unique culmination of the two, but that doesn't mean it wasn't socialistic or didn't have socialist policies. You can't ignore it because of the nationalistic twist. It is the same mentality that some people do when trying to say that democratic socialism isn't socialism. Different procedures, aims, and goals but always socialistic in nature. This arguing just reminds me of the guy in one of my undergraduate classes who got offended that Nazi stood for "National Socialism," and he was so perturbed that socialism would have anything to do with Nazis that he argued with two seperate professors trying to say some similar things being said here.
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