• Livonia schools now lowering grades for bad attendance
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[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37795715]Make up days? Like you had to stay a few weeks further into June than the rest of your classmates?[/QUOTE] They offered some Saturdays at the end of each semester, the occasional TWD, and as a last resort a few weeks of summer school. Most make up days counted as more than one day so if you were over by four or five days you could make it up in two weekends. I should note this was back when I was in high school, my college is completely different.
What if your prone to illnesses. Also I'm pretty sure your grade will drop anyway if your not present in class, and if it doesn't then it just proves the class was bullshit.
[QUOTE=imptastick;37795754]They offered some Saturdays at the end of each semester, the occasional TWD, and as a last resort a few weeks of summer school. Most make up days counted as more than one day so if you were over by four or five days you could make it up in two weekends. I should note this was back when I was in high school, my college is completely different.[/QUOTE] That's interesting. I have no idea what my high school did. It's been 5 years and I never missed many days to have it an issue with me. [editline]25th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=leontodd;37795780]What if your prone to illnesses. Also I'm pretty sure your grade will drop anyway if your not present in class, and if it doesn't then it just proves the class was bullshit.[/QUOTE] I'm sure this is only for unexcused absences. A doctor's note, if I recall, is a perfectly legal voucher for missing school. In 10th grade, I missed two and a half weeks of school in February because I had caught some sort of bug that had doctors think I had pneumonia. When I was well again, I brought my medical information to the school offices and I had no issue with it. I made up all my work while I was sick as my mother went to my teachers to collect my daily work.
The attendance system in my school was annoying because you needed a signed doctor's note to have an absence excused. My family didnt have healthcare so we couldnt go to a doctor. So if i got sick with the smallest things like a stomach bug, i would have to take an unexcused. Right before i graduated i think they buffed the penalty even more by making you go to ISS if you went over the limit, causing the ISS room to be flooded with an actual wait time to go there.
I think that this [B]could[/B] be a good idea. I think this would become more of a double standard than one sided as now since they're trying to force the students to be in class, when they fail the teacher can't just say "Well, they weren't in class. Sorry." This is going to force the school to try and become more involved with the students learning.
This is bullshit Usually around half of my lessons are wasted by teachers having to catch up other students who haven't done their work. Someone's grade shouldn't suffer as long as they are producing work at a good standard.
they should focus on making school a more pleasant experience instead of treating students like prisoners and punishing them for not attending
[QUOTE=Dori;37796093]they should focus on making school a more pleasant experience instead of treating students like prisoners and punishing them for not attending[/QUOTE] That's a bit of an extreme analogy.
I am also prone to being ill, moreso than others I know, I don't suppose being asthmatic helps, yet I still achieve decent grades (A*/A, sometimes B), I don't see how this is fair.
15 days? When I was in high school, if you have more than 12 unexcused absences you don't graduate. But a note from your parent was enough to excuse you so it was easy to avoid.
[QUOTE=Kylel999;37796215]15 days? When I was in high school, if you have more than 12 unexcused absences you don't graduate. But a note from your parent was enough to excuse you so it was easy to avoid.[/QUOTE] obviously something in the life needs sorting if they have 12 unexcused absences. how is failing them going to help?
I don't understand why people are acting like students should not be required to show up or excuse their absences. This rule is not a new idea or some evil unfair prison sentence, this is already in effect in hundreds if not thousands of public schools. These rules normally do not punish students who have real reasons to miss class, but rather punish students who just skip for the hell of it. I don't care if you do not like school or think it is pointless, if you want to put in less work then you should not receive the same benefits. If a student is not willing to show up for class, or speak with their teacher or administrator when they have a legitimate absence they should not pass. [editline]25th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Dori;37796226]obviously something in the life needs sorting if they have 12 unexcused absences. how is failing them going to help?[/QUOTE] I know some students have real issues but that does not mean they should just get a free pass, most schools have counselors and advisers to help students that need it. Just allowing people with problems to bend/break the rules or holding them to a lower standard does not really help them.
My high school is doing the same damn thing. Full lowered letter grade with 4 unexcused absences. Even more interesting is the fact the principal stated the new rules were not to punish people out of line. They were to keep those who cared in line. Now everybody is falling ill with every spectrum of flu, since no one wants to stay home, and co-pay for insured doctors visits is still damn expensive.
I didn't know school became a RPG.
At my school is you miss 11 classes (20%) you are in danger of failing the course
my school is in the news? yay? Where did you get this article? I want to share it with my classmates.
At my university, if you have a scholarship or whatever you call it (getting money for studies) but don't go to classes without a proper excuse such as a medical certificate proving that you were at seeing a doctor instead of going to a specific class, or having a remunerated, declared job, then you lose your scholarship. Some teachers also tend to give bonus points to people who have been there all semester long (excluding exceptional justified absences), but they don't take away points to people who weren't there. Even though eventually these people still get fucked because everything you have to know and own is given during class, and is more than often not going to be distributed again by the teacher. I don't know but it sounds like a better way to solve lack of attendance to me than lowering grades regardless of whatever happens. And the same system was also there in highschool for me so no excuses.
Why is this rated dumb, this IS the standard at most US schools.
I've been absent to school exactly four times in my life. My secret: Get sick on Friday afternoon. By Monday I'm fine.
At my university they don't give a shit if you don't show up. You're paying thousands for classes and if it's your choice not to show up for them and potentially fail because of that, that just means more money for the university when you have to retake the courses. So they couldn't care any less
Uhh, my school's policy was just to fail you if you had that many absences. [editline]ss[/editline] High School that is. I think the limit was like 13, and then you failed. I failed my AP chem class (but I still got college credit for it :v:).
[QUOTE=Maucer;37793969]I don't see whats the problem with bad attendance as long as you do the possible required essays and attend the exam. If you don't attend and you wont read the stuff at home you will get the grades you earn. Some people do stuff better at home, and it's a win-win situation because smaller group of students per teacher equals better learning (as long as the teacher is good at his job). I'm the kind of guy who can't focus easily during class because I get frustrated. Not because I don't care, but everything is designed so that it's so slow that anyone should be able to learn it. When I had physics lectures I always attended the first lesson and told the teacher I'm taking the course even though I won't be attending much. Because he was nice and knew I know my stuff, he didn't note down a single absence. During the lessons I was somewhere playing cards with my friends, and the teacher had less people to worry about and he still gets paid the same. I read the materials at home and it took a fraction of the time it would have taken to attend all the lessons. The first course was the only one I attended and I got perfect 10 out of every eight courses. The school rule says you cannot have more than 5 absences to get in the exam. But because it's a stupid rule only half of the teachers follow it after the first course. If you want to study at home you can appeal to study almost every course alone, but then you will have to do a shitton of, again, uselessly simple tasks that can take even longer to make than it would be taken at the classroom.[/QUOTE] it's a massive waste of money to ditch school. administrators don't care about the students, they need to make sure they don't lose funding because some schmuck has decided not to go to class every day lol
[QUOTE=fenwick;37803163] I failed my AP chem class (but I still got college credit for it :v:).[/QUOTE] I failed my AP statistics class and still got credit, got to love AP tests.
[QUOTE=Maucer;37793969]I don't see whats the problem with bad attendance as long as you do the possible required essays and attend the exam. If you don't attend and you wont read the stuff at home you will get the grades you earn. Some people do stuff better at home, and it's a win-win situation because smaller group of students per teacher equals better learning (as long as the teacher is good at his job). I'm the kind of guy who can't focus easily during class because I get frustrated. Not because I don't care, but everything is designed so that it's so slow that anyone should be able to learn it. When I had physics lectures I always attended the first lesson and told the teacher I'm taking the course even though I won't be attending much. Because he was nice and knew I know my stuff, he didn't note down a single absence. During the lessons I was somewhere playing cards with my friends, and the teacher had less people to worry about and he still gets paid the same. I read the materials at home and it took a fraction of the time it would have taken to attend all the lessons. The first course was the only one I attended and I got perfect 10 out of every eight courses. The school rule says you cannot have more than 5 absences to get in the exam. But because it's a stupid rule only half of the teachers follow it after the first course. If you want to study at home you can appeal to study almost every course alone, but then you will have to do a shitton of, again, uselessly simple tasks that can take even longer to make than it would be taken at the classroom.[/QUOTE] You are the exception. I'm glad that your teacher was flexible and willing to make exceptions, but most kids don't give a fuck in high school at all. You basically have to sit them down in a classroom and give them lectures in order for them to learn, and they will never study on their own time.
Many schools in my area get funding slashed if they fall below certain attendance counts. So it is a matter of finance that you have such rules - sad really.
I don't get the "how is this fair?!" thing. It's common, AFAIK. At my school they call them "performance points," showing up is one of the ways you earn them.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;37795569]This is how most college courses work. My one professor this semester told the class that we're allowed only 1 unexcused absence for the semester and our overall score will drop a grade for every unexcused missed day after that. So basically if you missed 3 days, best you can hope for is a C. And his list of "excused" absences are only: 1. A death in the family, 2. A doctor's note.[/QUOTE] at my college noone takes note if you are at lectures or not and all of them are recorded, inlcuded video and put on the website
colleges around here allow you to choose to come to class or not, you're the one paying for it so it's your choice
[QUOTE=Corey_Faure;37794099]I really hate the attendance requirement bullshit. I get sick more than 3 times in 9 weeks. I am naturally very prone to getting really sick. There's nothing I can do about it. I do all the work I need to do and turn it in if I miss it, but unfortunately many teachers have rejected my work because I was absent a day or two past my allowed absences. I really wish I was back in Virtual School. [editline]a[/editline] I would go to the doctor for a note, IF the nearest office wasn't a fuckton of miles from where I live.[/QUOTE] What country are you in because it's pretty standard in most places that if you provide a medical certificate you don't lose attendance.
In the high school I was in, 1 week of absences was a warning, 2 weeks of absences was an expel. And the same for the college I was in. One of my friends in college had a brain-tumor which was operated and he was absent for like 8 months but he wasn't kicked out. He just received bad grades not because he didn't attend the classes (duh) but because he didn't bother to study by himself.
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