• Livonia schools now lowering grades for bad attendance
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This makes plenty sense actually. Where I go to school, the school gets paid in attendance. The more students show up, the more money they get. This is why cutting class is frowned upon greatly.
[QUOTE=Keegs;37800061]Why is this rated dumb, this IS the standard at most US schools.[/QUOTE] Wow US is shit then.
[QUOTE=Maruhai;37806250]Wow US is shit then.[/QUOTE] In the real world, your chance of getting a job where you can just do the work on your own terms and show up when you feel like it is much lower than your chance of getting a job where you are expected to be there every day. This is exactly how life works. You show up, or you suffer consequences. It's one thing if you have a medical excuse, and schools can and should account for that, but otherwise there are very few good reasons to be missing school.
[QUOTE=catbarf;37806712]In the real world, your chance of getting a job where you can just do the work on your own terms and show up when you feel like it is much lower than your chance of getting a job where you are expected to be there every day. This is exactly how life works. You show up, or you suffer consequences. It's one thing if you have a medical excuse, and schools can and should account for that, but otherwise there are very few good reasons to be missing school.[/QUOTE]Schools simulating job is why so many people hate to go or don't go at all. Fuck do you care if someone does his school work at school or at home. This is not job, this is a facility that is supposed to educate people. Forcing people to go to school will not make their real job attendance better or worse. People who can't/don't like going to school can pick up a freelance job. A job =/= go to office every day. We're forcing this stupid corporate world onto children from such a young age it's wrong imo. You don't have to be a corporate slave to succeed in life. The problem with school is that it does not teach the alternative ways, only the mainstream ones. Poor school attendance can range from mental disorders to family problems to financial difficulties, there's a ton of reasons. Good grades means the student did his job, isn't that all that matters? If I can successfully do my job without going to the office, does it even matter if I go or not? My task was done and that's the whole point of work. There are jobs where you are required to come in sure, but there are also ones where you don't have to. Failing a grade simply for poor attendance while having good actual grades is fucking retarded. The system is broken when you fail for successfully doing what school is about, getting educated.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;37806801]Schools simulating job is why so many people hate to go or don't go at all. Fuck do you care if someone does his school work at school or at home. This is not job, this is a facility that is supposed to educate people. Forcing people to go to school will not make their real job attendance better or worse. People who can't/don't like going to school can pick up a freelance job. A job =/= go to office every day. We're forcing this stupid corporate world onto children from such a young age it's wrong imo. You don't have to be a corporate slave to succeed in life. The problem with school is that it does not teach the alternative ways, only the mainstream ones. Poor school attendance can range from mental disorders to family problems to financial difficulties, there's a ton of reasons. Good grades means the student did his job, isn't that all that matters? If I can successfully do my job without going to the office, does it even matter if I go or not? My task was done and that's the whole point of work. There are jobs where you are required to come in sure, but there are also ones where you don't have to. Failing a grade simply for poor attendance while having good actual grades is fucking retarded. The system is broken when you fail for successfully doing what school is about, getting educated.[/QUOTE] Teachers are responsible for following a curriculum, it is possible to get a passing grade without learning all the material you are supposed to. Also many things can not be learned individually, sure a student can read about and memorize the results of an experiment at home but with out actually doing it they will probably forget as soon as the are tested on it. If you feel like going to school is unnecessary then sign up for home schooling, but you can not just bob in and out of the system and expect everyone to just accept it.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;37806801]Schools simulating job is why so many people hate to go or don't go at all. Fuck do you care if someone does his school work at school or at home. This is not job, this is a facility that is supposed to educate people. Forcing people to go to school will not make their real job attendance better or worse. People who can't/don't like going to school can pick up a freelance job. A job =/= go to office every day. We're forcing this stupid corporate world onto children from such a young age it's wrong imo. You don't have to be a corporate slave to succeed in life. The problem with school is that it does not teach the alternative ways, only the mainstream ones. Poor school attendance can range from mental disorders to family problems to financial difficulties, there's a ton of reasons. Good grades means the student did his job, isn't that all that matters? If I can successfully do my job without going to the office, does it even matter if I go or not? My task was done and that's the whole point of work. There are jobs where you are required to come in sure, but there are also ones where you don't have to. Failing a grade simply for poor attendance while having good actual grades is fucking retarded. The system is broken when you fail for successfully doing what school is about, getting educated.[/QUOTE] The sole point of public school is to prepare kids for the real world, and not just in terms of objective knowledge. Book learning is part of that, but a bigger part is learning how to interact socially, how to solve problems individually and in teams, how to be on time and how to be responsible. Do you believe learning trigonometry is going to be useful to the majority of students who go through the public school system? Hell no. They learn it because it might be useful to some, but might help all of them be more well-rounded, educated people, and mostly because it teaches how to manage work and how to solve problems and how to learn and apply new concepts. Kids don't go to public school for the sole purpose of memorizing specific sets of facts that won't even be useful later in life. 'I can just stay home and learn just what I need to and turn it in' is missing the point of public school entirely. Why do you think many people are opposed to homeschooling? It's because most homeschooling approaches focus on academics, and the kids miss out on everything else they'll need to transition from home to work. And don't even start on 'forcing this stupid corporate world'. A hundred years ago the kids would be in factories, already part of the corporate world. Like I said (and which you appear to have ignored), there are jobs that don't require you to go somewhere every day. But not only are they a minority, they require an even stronger personal responsibility to stay on top of work when there's no direct impetus to work. Kids need to learn to get their work done every day, and letting kids show up whenever they feel like it so long as they take their tests isn't teaching responsibility in the slightest.
I just realized I forgot the source. [URL]http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/09/21/livonia-schools-will-lower-grades-based-on-attendance/[/URL] Posted on OP too [editline]26th September 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=catbarf;37807028]The sole point of public school is to prepare kids for the real world, and not just in terms of objective knowledge. Book learning is part of that, but a bigger part is learning how to interact socially, how to solve problems individually and in teams, how to be on time and how to be responsible. Do you believe learning trigonometry is going to be useful to the majority of students who go through the public school system? Hell no. They learn it because it might be useful to some, but might help all of them be more well-rounded, educated people, and mostly because it teaches how to manage work and how to solve problems and how to learn and apply new concepts. Kids don't go to public school for the sole purpose of memorizing specific sets of facts that won't even be useful later in life. 'I can just stay home and learn just what I need to and turn it in' is missing the point of public school entirely. Why do you think many people are opposed to homeschooling? It's because most homeschooling approaches focus on academics, and the kids miss out on everything else they'll need to transition from home to work. And don't even start on 'forcing this stupid corporate world'. A hundred years ago the kids would be in factories, already part of the corporate world. Like I said (and which you appear to have ignored), there are jobs that don't require you to go somewhere every day. But not only are they a minority, they require an even stronger personal responsibility to stay on top of work when there's no direct impetus to work. Kids need to learn to get their work done every day, and letting kids show up whenever they feel like it so long as they take their tests isn't teaching responsibility in the slightest.[/QUOTE] Many kids go to Public School because their parents are incompetent to homeschool or they don't have any other resources. Many kids don't want public school. Public school subject to (may I say unfair) reputation management, often chronic bullying, gangs (in many places), violence, and in poorer areas where my above point makes any relevance, shootings and killings over minor arguments. That's not an ideal real world, like it or not. Public school will only teach kids the basic do's and don'ts of our society. It often doesn't encourage individuality, there is poor nutrition, often bad funding, and in the worst cases, no extracurricular opportunities Also please don't take this out of the US context, I'm talking about a majority net of US school systems that are flawed and underfunded. Perhaps if these schools weren't so focused on Preparing you for your tedious dead end job at McDonalds, there would be more room for emphasizing out-of-the-box learning that actually does get you accepted into a good college and get you good opportunities for a job you want, not some gritty "Real world job" you seem to capitalize on. Eh? The whole argument here is not about going to school when you want because you don't want to be some mainstream conformist, it's about students who are brought under circumstance with the need to support their families, or do something else that would otherwise make their life bad. Working 2 jobs as a teen or something is not an accepted excuse to miss school, therefore you are penalized for circumstance. Also to get a little biased here, Students often learn trigonometry to pass, not because they want to or want to help apply themselves. :v:
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