This is it: Libyan rebels hit Zawiya - just 22 miles from Tripoli and the capital's final supply rou
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[QUOTE=smurfy;31749268]The LIFG have placed themselves under the command of the NTC and are definitely not "spearheading the rebellion"[/QUOTE]
The NTC only acts as the interim government. What little power they have and claim to lead ATM is only valid so long as the rebels uphold them. This wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't for the fact that the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group is the largest rebel faction in the country. They're not a particularly rational group; they're pretty damn radical, actually. In Mistrata, they gang raped a young woman in her home and then proceeded to mutilate her face.
[url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8da_1307812012[/url]
In Benghazi, they along with supporters tortured to death a prisoner of war by hanging him upside down from an iron window guard in the street and then beat him to death.
[url]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=02a_1301531604[/url]
[QUOTE=tacticalcommand;31746096]No you don't tolerate anyone that the mainstream tells you not to tolerate, I'm not really seeing anythreads on the Bahrain situation If Gaddafi can't beat the rebels then the country will fall apart from infighting inside the rebels or suffer from a pro gaddafi insurgency.[/QUOTE]
Mainstream media? Ha, I barely even watch that shit.
I also notice that you are almost the only one rating comments against you as dumb. If you consider all other opinions besides yours wrong, then you sir are no better than Gadaffi, Mussolini, and Hitler, and please don't say that I'm doing the same thing, because I know that what you're supporting is wrong. You support fascists and fascism, that is wrong. It's what Mussolini's government was, it's what Hitler's government was, it's what Gaddafi's government is.
So please, read a book or something before you go saying that fascist tyrants are good people. I've actually picked out a book for you. Here's the link: [url]http://www.amazon.com/God-State-Michael-Bakunin/dp/048622483X[/url]
[QUOTE=ShadoWxAssassiN;31752105]Mainstream media? Ha, I barely even watch that shit.
I also notice that you are almost the only one rating comments against you as dumb. If you consider all other opinions besides yours wrong, then you sir are no better than Gadaffi, Mussolini, and Hitler, and please don't say that I'm doing the same thing, because I know that what you're supporting is wrong. You support fascists and fascism, that is wrong. It's what Mussolini's government was, it's what Hitler's government was, it's what Gaddafi's government is.
So please, read a book or something before you go saying that fascist tyrants are good people. I've actually picked out a book for you. Here's the link: [url]http://www.amazon.com/God-State-Michael-Bakunin/dp/048622483X[/url][/QUOTE]
You pride yourself on not watching mainstream media, but alas such media is mainstream and the culture, people, and the such have been influenced strongly by it. Since you were brought up in said one you think such a system is best.
Its why the people before the 20th century thought kings were the best for ruling nations, those in the middle ages viewed the feudal system to be the best, or why the Romans thought that an Emperor was the best idea. (If they had a bad one they tended to murder them)
An idea like Facism isn't right or wrong. That's up to the person looking at it. Naturally since you were born and raised in a Liberal Democracy you view it as the best system of governance. For other people they view different types of governments to work or not. In reality the best system of government is one that is pragmatic and carries out its self interest with success.
[QUOTE=jeimizu;31748888]RIP laziest flag design ever.
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True, also I think the Rebel's flag looks pretty chill.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31748693]Then what isn't "Pro-West Media"? RT? Al-Jazeera?[/QUOTE]
By pro-west I more or less imply pro capitalist NATO set of mind Al-Jazeera is not immune but out of all of them RT is better.
Leave Canada, move to Libya and fight against the rebels.
[QUOTE=tacticalcommand;31753250]By pro-west I more or less imply pro capitalist NATO set of mind Al-Jazeera is not immune but out of all of them RT is better.[/QUOTE]
So BBC, NPR, and the like are all just biased puppets?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31754207]So BBC, NPR, and the like are all just biased puppets?[/QUOTE]
They are all pro-west except the BBC which teetering to neutral kinda of like Al-Jeezera.
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[QUOTE=Zambies!;31754082]Leave Canada, move to Libya and fight against the rebels.[/QUOTE] Pay for my plane tickets and some good weapons. I could lead the loyalists better then that dumb ass Gaddafi.
[QUOTE=tacticalcommand;31754534]They are all pro-west except the BBC which teetering to neutral kinda of like Al-Jeezera.
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Pay for my plane tickets and some good weapons. I could lead the loyalists better then that dumb ass Gaddafi.[/QUOTE]
You also have to consider manpower, money, resources, leadership.
Men need paying and officers to lead them. They need bullets for guns. They need iron and steel for the bullets and guns. They need chemicals and explosives to make the bullets. Livestock, fish and cereal is required to feed them and tins to store them in. Liquors and wines are needed to help as well, and both require fruits, grains and glass. Rubber is needed for tyres and fuel for the auto-mobiles. Machine parts, steel, electrical parts are needed to manufacture a wide range of goods to keep the army going. As well as this you need cement for fortifications, factories to produce goods, workers in the factories, railways and roads to distribute goods and to move men.
A lot is needed. Infrastructure and production being incredibly important, as Lenin managed to win the civil war by maintaining control over the main railways, allowing the Red army to move rapidly.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;31754825]You also have to consider manpower, money, resources, leadership.
Men need paying and officers to lead them. They need bullets for guns. They need iron and steel for the bullets and guns. They need chemicals and explosives to make the bullets. Livestock, fish and cereal is required to feed them and tins to store them in. Liquors and wines are needed to help as well, and both require fruits, grains and glass. Rubber is needed for tyres and fuel for the auto-mobiles. Machine parts, steel, electrical parts are needed to manufacture a wide range of goods to keep the army going. As well as this you need cement for fortifications, factories to produce goods, workers in the factories, railways and roads to distribute goods and to move men.
A lot is needed. Infrastructure and production being incredibly important, as Lenin managed to win the civil war by maintaining control over the main railways, allowing the Red army to move rapidly.[/QUOTE]
I understand the basic idea of logistics but I was more think that I just kick him out them I take control, trench warfare would be a great strategy because of the lack of armored warfare going on and the fact that the rebels are mostly untrained and would most likely attempt some kind of human wave attackwhile the amount of dead rise I would foster dissent in the NTC and force them to surrender or split the country in half.
[QUOTE=tacticalcommand;31755472]I understand the basic idea of logistics but I was more think that I just kick him out them I take control, trench warfare would be a great strategy because of the lack of armored warfare going on and the fact that the rebels are mostly untrained and would most likely attempt some kind of human wave attackwhile the amount of dead rise I would foster dissent in the NTC and force them to surrender or split the country in half.[/QUOTE]
Indeed, however it would be firstly difficult to get rid of Gaddafi, and secondly a number will not like your presence. I would rather suggest joining the army and working up to become field marshal or something along those lines. Start out by digging trenches and putting down landmines for example and blow up bridges as well.
The war outcome was sealed when Westerners' decided to get involved.
[QUOTE=ThePutty;31741169]This whole thing reminds me of Hitler's last days
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Situation map as of August 14th, probably outdated already[/QUOTE] Now I'm going to strategize how Gaddafi can get out of this. He is pretty much stuck. I don't feel bad for him though, it's not his country, it's the people's country. Go Libya for fighting people who try to kill civilians.
[QUOTE=crackberry;31756301]The war outcome was sealed when Westerners' decided to get involved.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't be so certain. If the rebels cannot beat Gaddafi on the ground then NATO cannot really help.
I'm sure theres probably going to be some massive air attack against any remaining resistance, like, rockets smashing whats left of Command and Control, all possible depots for chemical weapons getting destroyed, etc.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;31757028]I'm sure theres probably going to be some massive air attack against any remaining resistance, like, rockets smashing whats left of Command and Control, all possible depots for chemical weapons getting destroyed, etc.[/QUOTE]
The problem with chemical weapons is that most of them are airborne, which means they can be deployed from just about anywhere. I can see the rebels pushing deep into Tripoli only to have Gaddafi have his forces gear up for gas and release chemical agents, and then use it as a cover to push a counter-offensive against the rebels.
Honestly, the push into Tripoli will make it or break it for the rebels.
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How many launch vehicles does he have? I can see AWACS being over Tripoli day and night.
[QUOTE=Zambies!;31757357]How many launch vehicles does he have? I can see AWACS being over Tripoli day and night.[/QUOTE]
As others have said in various threads, you don't need a dedicated launch vehicle for the sorts he might have. I bet they could be used in mortars and things like the Grad, both of which would be hard to detect.
[QUOTE=LunchboxOfDoom;31749197]The rebel factions will fight each other. Historically, it's happened all the time. In Iran after Shah Pahlavi was overthrown between the Monarchists, Nationalists, Communists, Socialists, and Theocrats; in China between the Nationalists and Communists, in Russia between the Communists, Anarchists, Monarchists, and Socialists; in Germany after the end of the Great War between the Communists, Monarchists, Socialists, Nationalists; and it's happening in Egypt at this very moment.
Libya will be no different. Especially with a bunch of Islamic theocratic nuts spearheading the rebellion (the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group) who have ties to al-Qaeda and were declared an illegal terrorist organization by the United Nations after 9/11.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_Islamic_Fighting_Group[/url]
Trading one oppressive government for another...:smith:[/QUOTE]
You genuinely think that after toppling a dictator, the rebels and NATO willing are going to let an Islamic group claim all of Libya? Worst case scenario if a radical group tries to take command, NATO sends in peacekeeping forces to help the rebels and gets rid of them. This stupid idea that Libya will just fall apart without Gadaffi and groups will try to take over, despite the fact they've been oppressed for the last 40 years and despite the fact that this entire revolution isn't even about beliefs or ideologies but freedom and democracy to prevent a Gadaffi from happening again is just stupid. Plausible? Sure, as with anything in the entire Middle East movement, but likely? No, it's not.
[QUOTE=Jsm;31757418]As others have said in various threads, you don't need a dedicated launch vehicle for the sorts he might have. I bet they could be used in mortars and things like the Grad, both of which would be hard to detect.[/QUOTE]
Well, a Grad is technically a launch vehicle, but a better question is, does Gaddafi's troops have NBC protection?
Pro-Gaddafi forces have launched a Scud missile for the first time (not with a chemical warhead like in C&C Generals though :v:)
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14538670[/url]
It was aimed at Brega but missed by 50 miles and landed in the desert.
Speaking of C&C Generals, the first two "words" from the intro have now been used in this conflict. Is carpet bombing next??
Well considering this is about to become iran-iraq 2.0 gaddafi must have some nbc suits and masks.
[QUOTE=tacticalcommand;31759490]Well considering [B]this is about to become iran-iraq 2.0[/B] gaddafi must have some nbc suits and masks.[/QUOTE]
You truly do not understand how this rebellion came about, do you?
[QUOTE=tacticalcommand;31759490]Well considering this is about to become iran-iraq 2.0 gaddafi must have some nbc suits and masks.[/QUOTE]
Just so you know, this war has been incredibly mobile.
[QUOTE=smurfy;31759390]Pro-Gaddafi forces have launched a Scud missile for the first time (not with a chemical warhead like in C&C Generals though :v:)
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14538670[/url]
It was aimed at Brega but missed by 50 miles and landed in the desert.
Speaking of C&C Generals, the first two "words" from the intro have now been used in this conflict. Is carpet bombing next??[/QUOTE]
The CEP of the SCUD-B is 450 meters. Wow, Gaddafi's missiles must've decayed bad to have that kind of a wide error.
I don't consider the rebel government to the proper government until the last of the old regime is gone, for now they are still rebels.
Most likely once they get rid of Gaddafi they will have a few months of respite at best. After that most likely the country will have another civil war.
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