Trump Administration Has Frozen the EPA and Barred Multiple Agencies From Speaking to the Press
199 replies, posted
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51722378]"He can direct his departments to focus on other stats". Yes, as in, "he can make it so they don't study things that prove him wrong."
Next.[/QUOTE]
And?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51722378]
"They did it too! So it's ok when he does it". Bullshit.
Next.
[/QUOTE]
Not sure where you have been hiding.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51722378]
Nope. That's directly outside the bounds of the executive branch.[/QUOTE]
You are basically trying to tell me, that he can't hand down a directive through his cabinet to the EPA, even though it is a department of the US Federal Government, if so, no wonder its basically out of control.
The thing that bothers me is that the de-facto argument for Trump supporters now has become "well this stuff is bad and I won't defend it but I voted for him for other more important reasons". What could be more important then accountability, integrity, and consistency from the President of the United States? Especially when it comes to some of our nation's most important issues like LGBT rights, climate change, and immigration.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51722252]Were you not one of the posters who were fervently anti-Trump up to election day.
I call trolling[/QUOTE]
I don't see how thinking accellerationism is dumb means I'm trolling or even if it matters if I'm anti-Trump or not.
[QUOTE=Tasm;51722383]
It's gonna be a shit 4 years for the US[/QUOTE]
For the entire world, dude.
[QUOTE=Tasm;51722383]Devils avocado time:
You guys voted him in, this was his stance all along. Hardly a surprise.
And to be honest, this is your democracy in action, he was voted in by America's democratic system fairly. Sure, the system is wrong and it should be by popular vote, but as it stands all of this is totally legitimate and mandated.[/QUOTE]
That's the thing. The minority voted him in. How do you lose by the most votes in U.S history and yet still be president of the united states when you have an approval rating of under 40%.
[QUOTE=TAU!;51722375]I wonder if Trump supporters will still be so rabid to back him up when they're without clean drinking water, without health insurance, and without jobs.[/QUOTE]
Of course they will. He'll simply blame it on the last administration, and they'll believe every word.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;51722391]And?[/quote]
That's both morally, ethically and scientifically the wrong thing to do. He can direct things so when his policies begin ripping the environment apart, people are gagged and unable to talk about it.
[quote]
Not sure where you have been hiding.[/quote]
What?
[quote]
You are basically trying to tell me, that he can't hand down a directive through his cabinet to the EPA, even though it is a department of the US Federal Government, if so, no wonder its basically out of control.[/QUOTE]
How is it "out of control"? Because it doesn't agree with the fat fuck in the whitehouse?
[QUOTE=Tasm;51722383]Devils avocado time:
You guys voted him in, this was his stance all along. Hardly a surprise.
And to be honest, this is your democracy in action, he was voted in by America's democratic system fairly. Sure, the system is wrong and it should be by popular vote, but as it stands all of this is totally legitimate and mandated.
It's gonna be a shit 4 years for the US[/QUOTE]
I'll counter your joke of a "Devil's advocate" here: Many people didn't vote for him, and the geniuses that did are either people who ignored (let's be honest, they likely supported all of the other bullshit he was spewing too) everything but "I'll bring back jobs!" OR, they were people who knew what he was about, and understood fully that they'd be getting fat paychecks as a benefit of his election.
Yes, our democratic system works, but the problem is that letting some billionaire goon present himself as a fascist during his [i]entire[/i] campaign, and then letting him successfully become president, is a weakness of democracy. People like Trump do not need a platform to speak on, they need a punch in the mouth.
[QUOTE=MissingGlitch;51722400]That's the thing. The minority voted him in. How do you lose by the most votes in U.S history and yet still be president of the united states when you have an approval rating of under 40%.[/QUOTE]
You can thank the protest vote for that.
[QUOTE=Tasm;51722383]Devils avocado time:
You guys voted him in, this was his stance all along. Hardly a surprise.
And to be honest, this is your democracy in action, he was voted in by America's democratic system fairly. Sure, the system is wrong and it should be by popular vote, but as it stands all of this is totally legitimate and mandated.
It's gonna be a shit 4 years for the US[/QUOTE]
'You guys voted him in' is such a bullshit argument. I hate hearing it about Brexit, I hate hearing it about the US.
Thing is, we didn't vote him in. I certainly didn't. He lost the popular vote. The Electoral College voted him in, the majority of the people said no. A minority voted him in. I hate when people paint the US as '100 percent trump supporters' or the UK as '100 percent brexit' and then they start guilting me like I voted Trump and now I just have to suck it up that he sucks.
It's a gross oversimplification.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51722398]I don't see how thinking accellerationism is dumb means I'm trolling or even if it matters if I'm anti-Trump or not.[/QUOTE]
Your apparent preference for Trump over Clinton as a candidate has been one of the most bizarre and confusing things I've seen since the election. It would help if you at least explained yourself at some point instead of posting it every thread and then ducking.
[QUOTE=CertainDOOM;51722399]For the entire world, dude.[/QUOTE]
[b]Let's not forget this either[/b]
The influence the US has, socially, culturally, and politically, influences the entire globe. With Trump in power, and his goon squad with him, they'll probably be busy fiddling the dicks of other far-right/fascist nutjobs in power in Europe, Asia, South America, Africa, and anywhere else.
Look, Boilrig, it comes down to a very, very simple concept. The President is supposed to be a servant of the people.
The people are paying for the EPA and all of these other scientific organizations. Therefore, their findings are to be reported to the people. No exceptions. It's not like releasing the news jeopardizes National Security - only Trump's narrative.
Therefore, muzzling scientists is utterly indefensible, undemocratic, and reeks of fascism. Just like the Orange in Chief.
[QUOTE=Tasm;51722383]Devils avocado time:
You guys voted him in, this was his stance all along. Hardly a surprise.
And to be honest, this is your democracy in action, he was voted in by America's democratic system fairly. Sure, the system is wrong and it should be by popular vote, but as it stands all of this is totally legitimate and mandated.
It's gonna be a shit 4 years for the US[/QUOTE]
Nah.
Democracy that doesn't protect those who aren't in power is not democracy.
Democracy curbs the power of psychotic cuntfucks who fool people into voting for them.
Well, hopefully Streisand will be a bitch.
ugh. I never liked Trump, but after he won the election I really, really wanted to believe that he wasn't going to make a mess out of the country, and in less than a week he's surpassed my absolute worst expectations. He seemed like he was genuinely going to improve when his victory speech was about coming together as a country after a polarizing election.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;51722391]And?
Not sure where you have been hiding.
You are basically trying to tell me, that he can't hand down a directive through his cabinet to the EPA, even though it is a department of the US Federal Government, if so, no wonder its basically out of control.[/QUOTE]
You clearly have no fucking clue how the US government works.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;51722364]Last I checked the EPA is a department of the Federal Government of the United States, which he is the leader of, he can hand down agenda and directives like any other government.[/QUOTE]
Congress really pays the bills, as they determine the budget every year and of course they also decide the tax rates.
[QUOTE=Paramud;51722077]Even if you're shitposting honestly you're still shitposting.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51722055]
Don't just sit there and fucking bitch that you're getting shat on for your horrid post.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Damjen;51722047]Sure you were.
I'm sure you aren't backpedaling here or anything.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;51722039]Bullshit[/QUOTE]
It's incredible/insane the amount of vitriol you'll receive here for literally just having a dissenting opinion.
I get that some of you consider that post to be no-effort, but Raidyr since explained the purpose of the post quite clearly. I'm not sure why any of you even [I]want[/I] Trump supporters to post in these threads. All you guys do is dogpile the fuck out of them. Look at this post.
[QUOTE=Kyle902;51722204]You never did explain why you think Trump is a good candidate or that he was better then Clinton in any way. [B]If you dont support your claims then the only possible reason for you entering this thread is to stir the pot so to speak.[/B][/QUOTE]
This is basically saying "come here looking for a argument or don't post at all." This is an insanely hostile environment to post in if you don't consider Trump to be Hitler. Honestly I had kind of hoped this childish behavior would fade away once he gained presidency and people realized it wasn't some made up far away fantasy.
It's been so few days since Trump actually hit presidency and we're already back to people [I]honestly[/I] believing that the US is on the course of dictatorship.
[editline]25th January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Damjen;51722351]"I'm not (Trump) supporter, but..." is the new "I'm not racist, but...".[/QUOTE]
Look at this - just another kneejerk reaction to someone [I]not[/I] immediately vilifying Trump. You're not even allowed to take a middle ground in this debate anymore, or you're a racist.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;51722410]Your apparent preference for Trump over Clinton as a candidate has been one of the most bizarre and confusing things I've seen since the election. It would help if you at least explained yourself at some point instead of posting it every thread and then ducking.[/QUOTE]
I don't think I've posted that more than once. I think Clinton was the better candidate. I voted for Clinton (Sanders in the primary though). With Trump as president I'm trying to take a more neutral aspect towards him even if he makes that really hard. I still make posts critical of him and his cabinet. Whether or not I believe personally that the election of Trump is the end justified by the means of preventing Clinton from being president is pointless, but it's the truth for a lot of people who voted for Trump, namely the people that get namedropped every thread.
If the first time someone actually posts this drives them to be called a trolling shitposter who should be banned then maybe that should clue you in as to why the usual suspects no longer bother going up to bat for Trump in threads. Or maybe it's just because whatever he happened to do in that particular news story is flatly indefensible.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;51722364]That isn't up to me to decide on whether it is right or wrong in your mind. What I'm saying is that unless he starts removing hard data, then you've got an issue, but until then, he can direct his departments to focus on other stats, this is just part of agenda switching between the Obama and Trump Administration.
When have governments not spun information? This isn't exactly news to me.
Last I checked the EPA is a department of the Federal Government of the United States, which he is the leader of, he can hand down agenda and directives like any other government.
Wow, you really had to go there.
You weren't supposed to take it literally, it was the point that he is the leader of the Federal Government and can do what he wants regarding halting media or redirecting media through his Administration before being released.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I had to go there because there is no other way you could try to defend this without being an ignorant moron or having some form of interest in Trump.
He silenced agencies that exist solely to provide unbiased and scientifically proven information to the people of the United States about things that threaten their (future) health and safety. While President of the United States is [B][I]obligated by the law[/I][/B] to [B][I]protect and serve US citizens.[/I][/B]
And don't even try to deflect this with "others did it as well" because even previous Republican President, Bush sure as hell didn't and neither did Obama.
[QUOTE=Damjen;51722116]Friendly reminder that EPA is responsible for testing the quality of drinkable water.
Thanks to glorious leader gagging them the only way people will learn that their source of water is fucked is when they start getting ill or someone covertly informs the media.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, uh, about that topic:
[t]https://68.media.tumblr.com/e88a6c058b8fadd7e8321e9d8aaae3cf/tumblr_okavz9Ri5d1qcpxapo6_1280.jpg[/t]
[editline]January 24th, 2016[/editline]
This was before Trump got into office by the way but I wouldn't be surprised now that he is, stuff like this is just going to escalate even further.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51722007]This is exactly what everybody was worried would happen, and Trump's cultish supporters told us to shut up and give him a chance. "He's not even president yet."
We'll, he's been president for four days and has already officially gagged climate change research agencies from publishing the truth.
He's not just trying to stop climate change research, [B]but to actively halt the flow of information about it.[/B] That is something a tyrant does, not the president of the United States.[/QUOTE]
Many of Trump's cultish supporters (like my little brother and his friends) don't give a shit as long as it means they have jobs.
Reminds me of what my old foreman would say HIS old foreman would tell him in regards to keeping busy: "Do something, even if it's wrong".
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51722478]
If the first time someone actually posts this drives them to be called a trolling shitposter who should be banned then maybe that should clue you in as to why the usual suspects no longer bother going up to bat for Trump in threads. Or maybe it's just because whatever he happened to do in that particular news story is flatly indefensible.[/QUOTE]
Oh, they still do. Just when it's low hanging fruit like "Trump is literally a Nazi"
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51722478]I don't think I've posted that more than once. I think Clinton was the better candidate. I voted for Clinton (Sanders in the primary though). With Trump as president I'm trying to take a more neutral aspect towards him even if he makes that really hard. I still make posts critical of him and his cabinet. Whether or not I believe personally that the election of Trump is the end justified by the means of preventing Clinton from being president is pointless, but it's the truth for a lot of people who voted for Trump, namely the people that get namedropped every thread.
If the first time someone actually posts this drives them to be called a trolling shitposter who should be banned then maybe that should clue you in as to why the usual suspects no longer bother going up to bat for Trump in threads. Or maybe it's just because whatever he happened to do in that particular news story is flatly indefensible.[/QUOTE]
Yeah the every thread part was a bit of an exaggeration, but I've definitely seen it at least twice.
Also this explanation makes a lot more sense. I appreciate it. I do wish that posts like that were met with less vitriol but I suppose it's a form of venting. People should at least give posts a chance like that to defend themselves though (problem is that they often fail to do so).
[QUOTE=Mingebox;51722503]Oh, they still do. Just when it's low hanging fruit like "Trump is literally a Nazi"[/QUOTE]
Something that is, ironically, becoming more true with every news like this.
Nazis loved to censor scientists that disagreed with their political stances on things.
[QUOTE=geel9;51722452]You clearly have no fucking clue how the US government works.[/QUOTE]
Boilrig? Yeah, uhh if you look at his post history he has no idea how anything works and is often the sewage spout for incredibly unintelligent opinions on political happenings.
[QUOTE=F.X Clampazzo;51722519]Well, if you look at his post history he has no idea how anything works and is often the sewage spout for incredibly unintelligent opinions on political happenings.[/QUOTE]
A bit harsh but generally yes, I wouldn't take political insight from someone who still thinks Brexit was a good idea with much seriousness.
4 days in, and seriously he's doing this?
boilrig is the super pro brexit guy iirc, i think hes just anti establishment at this point because he wants countries to fall
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.