• Meet the effects of one of the worst regulated industries
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I want to read an article not a bloody picture book [editline]29th August 2015[/editline] Oh my god it's not until halfway through the first chapter you actually learn what this is about [editline]29th August 2015[/editline] This author really wanted to write books for a living instead [editline]29th August 2015[/editline] Sorry for ranting. It's absolutely disgusting that the company knew about the hazards, then proceeded to insult them when they discovered the root cause. How can people do this? I couldn't live with that on my mind. And for what? Saving a few extra bucks by disposing of it properly?
I'm from Parkersburg, so reading that headline was the biggest shock I've had in a couple weeks. But yeah I can confirm that DuPont is basically a religion around here, every other person I know's dad works for them. There's still hullabaloo about C8 every once and a while but it's died down since I was real young
[QUOTE=RaxaHax;48571017]I'm from Parkersburg, so reading that headline was the biggest shock I've had in a couple weeks. But yeah I can confirm that DuPont is basically a religion around here, every other person I know's dad works for them. There's still hullabaloo about C8 every once and a while but it's died down since I was real young[/QUOTE] Have you been checked?
[QUOTE=Trumple;48571050]Have you been checked?[/QUOTE] No, I was away from any contaminated water sources, my mom was though.
[QUOTE=surfur;48567701]Near the end of the article they post a link to a map where you can see which counties in the nation have been surveyed for chemicals in the water supplies [url]http://static.ewg.org/reports/2015/pfoa_drinking_water/interactive_map/index.html[/url] apparently i'm in an affected county with .094 concentration (whatever that means, but it's much higher than the surrounding affected counties) I read this drinking from my plastic water bottle i've had for over a year! makes me a bit worried. What is funny though, a few years back I lived in another county 20 minutes away and it has no detection of contaminants in the water supply, but the water tasted like ass. Now, I live in a county with known contaminants and the water tastes great! :v:[/QUOTE] Fuck, I live in an affected county, and with a higher concentration than any of the neighboring ones. I hope that's not why the tap smells and tastes funny when it's not filtered.
Is there a version of this article that's not fucking bullshit They couldn't possibly have made it harder to share this information with other people.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;48574250]Is there a version of this article that's not fucking bullshit They couldn't possibly have made it harder to share this information with other people.[/QUOTE] The article works pretty well on mobile, actually.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;48574413]The article works pretty well on mobile, actually.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's true, it's better on mobile by a good deal
i didn't have any issue with scrolling besides the videos of ~ambiance~ but some of the videos (like the one with bucky bailey) I watched The fuck is wrong with people? You know it fucks people up seriously, your own internal testing proved that contaminated locations are 100 - 150 times higher than your own internal safety standards (which are also way, way beyond the actual limit), you've been brought to court numerous times and you still do this shit. I hope one day it blows up in their face even more than it already has.
My county is contaminated D:
[QUOTE=Saza;48575561]i didn't have any issue with scrolling besides the videos of ~ambiance~ but some of the videos (like the one with bucky bailey) I watched The fuck is wrong with people? You know it fucks people up seriously, your own internal testing proved that contaminated locations are 100 - 150 times higher than your own internal safety standards (which are also way, way beyond the actual limit), you've been brought to court numerous times and you still do this shit. I hope one day it blows up in their face even more than it already has.[/QUOTE] Ultimately it comes down to the fact that corporations are not people, despite legal definitions, and are instead machines whose only purpose is to churn out as much profit as possible, whatever the costs may be. At the end of the day, it's probably cheaper for DuPont to pay all the settlements (as minimally as possible, of course) and lawyers than to develop a safe alternative to C8 and use it in manufacturing. (For those of you who didn't read the complete article, after phasing out C8 just last year, the company switched to a similar chemical called C6 which seems to be similarly toxic, according to initial tests. Neither chemical is banned from use; the only reason DuPont phased it out was because they agreed to.) Also, shame on the people of West Virginia as well. If they choose to allow themselves to be poisoned by working in those conditions, so be it. But shaming other people who are rightfully fighting against it, and allowing the company to poison [i]the entire world[/i] for profit just because they're scared about economic instability? Disgusting, to say the least.
[QUOTE=Saza;48575561]i didn't have any issue with scrolling besides the videos of ~ambiance~ but some of the videos (like the one with bucky bailey) I watched The fuck is wrong with people? You know it fucks people up seriously, your own internal testing proved that contaminated locations are 100 - 150 times higher than your own internal safety standards (which are also way, way beyond the actual limit), you've been brought to court numerous times and you still do this shit. I hope one day it blows up in their face even more than it already has.[/QUOTE] It's probably a business thing of "yeah it was in court but it's happened so often that it's not even a challenge to fight it anymore because no one important actually cares". They probably don't have any real threats to what they're doing.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;48575840]Ultimately it comes down to the fact that corporations are not people, despite legal definitions, and are instead machines whose only purpose is to churn out as much profit as possible, whatever the costs may be. At the end of the day, it's probably cheaper for DuPont to pay all the settlements (as minimally as possible, of course) and lawyers than to develop a safe alternative to C8 and use it in manufacturing. (For those of you who didn't read the complete article, after phasing out C8 just last year, the company switched to a similar chemical called C6 which seems to be similarly toxic, according to initial tests. Neither chemical is banned from use; the only reason DuPont phased it out was because they agreed to.) Also, shame on the people of West Virginia as well. If they choose to allow themselves to be poisoned by working in those conditions, so be it. But shaming other people who are rightfully fighting against it, and allowing the company to poison [i]the entire world[/i] for profit just because they're scared about economic instability? Disgusting, to say the least.[/QUOTE] Shame on the EPA and the regulatory boards that ban substances. Almost nothing is actually banned. They can still choose to make C8. They just aren't because of PR. That's the really, really sinister part to me.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48576086]Shame on the EPA and the regulatory boards that ban substances. Almost nothing is actually banned. They can still choose to make C8. They just aren't because of PR. That's the really, really sinister part to me.[/QUOTE] As far as I can tell from the article, it's extremely difficult for the EPA to ban chemicals. They need extensive evidence, which DuPont has paid a great deal of money to prevent them from getting (easily, anyway). Just the fact that DuPont phased out C8 was a much larger victory than expected.
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;48576399]As far as I can tell from the article, it's extremely difficult for the EPA to ban chemicals. They need extensive evidence, which DuPont has paid a great deal of money to prevent them from getting (easily, anyway). Just the fact that DuPont phased out C8 was a much larger victory than expected.[/QUOTE] It seems silly that even after the 2012 report linking it to all those problems, and proof that DuPont was trying to cover it up, that they still can't ban C8. Though I'm not sure how much it would even matter. I mean it's great they stopped using it, but how much does it matter since they're just using C5~10 (sans 8) but in higher volumes. For all we know this could just end up worse than what C8 was doing.
Chambers Works is right next to my firehouse. Safe to say, anything ever happens there, I'm probably dead. They just got fined half a million by the EPA, too.
[QUOTE=Hervey;48576860]It seems silly that even after the 2012 report linking it to all those problems, and proof that DuPont was trying to cover it up, that they still can't ban C8. Though I'm not sure how much it would even matter. I mean it's great they stopped using it, but how much does it matter since they're just using C5~10 (sans 8) but in higher volumes. For all we know this could just end up worse than what C8 was doing.[/QUOTE] and just think: there are people who want LESS EPA regulation!
[QUOTE=Starce;48584499]Chambers Works is right next to my firehouse. Safe to say, anything ever happens there, I'm probably dead. They just got fined half a million by the EPA, too.[/QUOTE] Which set them back by less than eight minutes of revenue. I really want to work for EPA or state DEP, but with the US government well inside in corporate pockets I think I'd just spend my time angry and miserable at not being able to do anything.
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