• Pigeon DNA proves Darwin right!
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its just a theory...
But But But you're still missing the missing link!!!!
[QUOTE=Goberfish;39436002]I am uncertain as to who actually thinks that[/QUOTE] im trying to find a video that isnt hours long... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC6F-BD7HM0[/media] i havnt watched all of it but this one looks like it works
[QUOTE=Samiam22;39435227]I thought it was pretty much guaranteed by just about every scientist ever that Darwin was right.[/QUOTE] As far as the US is concerned evolution is only a "theory", and certain groups want to keep it that way so they can shoehorn intelligent design into education. Teach the controversy as they go. I mean say what you want about evolution, it has evidence and years of research to show it is true and is central to anyone studying biology. Intelligent design was made by some angry religious groups when the Supreme Court ruled creationism can't be taught in Edwards v. Aguillard back in 1987 that sprouted from Louisiana's decision to teach creationism alongside evolution in its public school system. Plus it's playing off people complaining about the "liberal agenda" in the classroom. Intelligent design has no real research, while we have studies like these confirming evolution. It's a dead end with some people though, they have it in their mind that there's a conspiracy by scientists to falsify data to prove their agenda and force it down children's throats.
[QUOTE=MercZ;39440972]As far as the US is concerned evolution is only a "theory", and certain groups want to keep it that way so they can shoehorn intelligent design into education. Teach the controversy as they go. I mean say what you want about evolution, it has evidence and years of research to show it is true and is central to anyone studying biology. Intelligent design was made by some angry religious groups when the Supreme Court ruled creationism can't be taught in Edwards v. Aguillard back in 1987 that sprouted from Louisiana's decision to teach creationism alongside evolution in its public school system. Plus it's playing off people complaining about the "liberal agenda" in the classroom. Intelligent design has no real research, while we have studies like these confirming evolution. It's a dead end with some people though, they have it in their mind that there's a conspiracy by scientists to falsify data to prove their agenda and force it down children's throats.[/QUOTE] Evolution is a theory. Most people just don't know what theory actually means, they think it's synonymous with "science guess" or something.
This should be repeated in every thread about evolution, but there is a massive fucking difference between the word "theory" and what is known as a "scientific theory" A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge. So people who say that evolution is just a "theory" don't know what the fuck they are talking about.
[QUOTE=sambooo;39442508]Evolution is a theory. Most people just don't know what theory actually means, they think it's synonymous with "science guess" or something.[/QUOTE] That's why I put "theory" in quotes. I was going towards the idea of people thinking that a theory is only a hypothesis that hasn't been proven or something put forward to explain something they don't really know about. I just assumed that most people knew what I was talking about, I should have specified that though.
If god isn't real th fuck you Christians - 1 Athetits - 3
The work of the Grants in the Galapagos on Darwin's finches alone is [del]proof[/del] evidence of natural selection. [QUOTE=Bradyns;39436572]Diversity between breeds would be that they have bred to the point that they would either not be able to reproduce, or their offspring cannot reproduce (speciation) eg. Donkey & Horse. Lion & Tiger.[/QUOTE] These are not the best examples, Horses and donkeys may always produce infertile mules, but hinnys are sometimes fertile. [editline]1st February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;39440413]But But But you're still missing the missing link!!!![/QUOTE] Look towards Tiktaalik the "missing link" between fish and anphibians!
Small nitpick: A theory isn't something that can be proved right, it can only be supported with evidence or refuted if there is none. This is just more supporting evidence.
[QUOTE=Karmah;39442832]Small nitpick: A theory isn't something that can be proved right, it can only be supported with evidence or refuted if there is none. This is just more supporting evidence.[/QUOTE] Yes this is technically true, but we have reached the point of having so much evidence its so improbable that it is not true that it is not really worth debate. Yet people still hold on to that fraction of a fraction of a chance that it could be wrong and claim it as a controversy that scientists can not agree on.
[QUOTE=IPK;39435825]Not necessarily. Before the dark ages,nearly every religion was modified according to any new technologies that contradict their religion so it doesn't contradict. Then came the dark ages and look what we have here. Religious nutjobs[/QUOTE] Don't bring me into this.
[QUOTE=ScottyWired;39436433]I'm quite satisfied with my local religious groups. I attend a catholic college (they even admit non-religious) and it's taught there from [B]day one[/B] not to take the Bible literally and the stories are to be viewed as parables not historic documents. The local priest even supports evolution theory and had the balls to fly to the Vatican to complain about the Church's viewpoint on homosexuality. In short, religion [I]is[/I] slowly adapting to the modern world, just some groups are too fucking stubborn to change their viewpoint.] EDIT: I take it all back, the devil is here [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Znx54gE.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Then the religion isn't adapting, it's just disappearing like Bradyns said. It even says in the Bible to take it for what it says, and evolutionary theory doesn't doesn't fit with the Bible's time spans and events.
[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;39443028]Then the religion isn't adapting, it's just disappearing like Bradyns said. It even says in the Bible to take it for what it says, and evolutionary theory doesn't doesn't fit with the Bible's time spans and events.[/QUOTE] The number of people who take the Bible as fact and obey 100% of it is probably ridiculously small. Like, the fact that Leviticus says gays are bad is solid gold, but the fact that he says not to trim the hairs at the side of your head is outdated enough to ignore. Hell, I've heard some people say that the entire Old Testament is basically irrelevant, and that it's just included as a formality, but they'll still tell you that gays are the worst because the Bible says so.
[QUOTE=Loofiloo;39443824]The number of people who take the Bible as fact and obey 100% of it is probably ridiculously small. Like, the fact that Leviticus says gays are bad is solid gold, but the fact that he says not to trim the hairs at the side of your head is outdated enough to ignore. Hell, I've heard some people say that the entire Old Testament is basically irrelevant, and that it's just included as a formality, but they'll still tell you that gays are the worst because the Bible says so.[/QUOTE] Well no, that's old Jewish law that was only relevant in the time period. Hell, they didn't even follow them in the New Testament times. But the books that aren't laws but rather events as well as the New Testament are meant to be taken as written history by its followers. The ones that don't do that are just meaninglessly labeling themselves because they're not comfortable openly rejecting that faith. It's a normal step for people who convert.
[QUOTE=SCopE5000;39435786]It's annoying how religious people refute the theory of Evolution, yet are perfectly fine with agreeing with the theory of gravity, amongst others. 'Things don't just get pulled towards the earth! It must be some kind of intelligent holding!' I find it hypocritical that they usually only target Evolution as a basis for their beliefs.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Bradyns;39435820]It's because it has the direct ability to invalidate their creation myth, thus invalidating their 'fall', thus invalidating a need for a messiah to sacrifice for said 'fall'... [B]BOOM no more Christianity.[/B] It's a lot more detrimental to the belief system, than something such as gravity or atomic theory.. Biology and cosmogony has directly destructive repercussions to such beliefs and cannot be consistent with a literal interpretation of scripture, or a twisted interpretation of the science. Scripture will always win out, as it is more comforting.[/QUOTE] Uh, what planet do you guys live on? Cause on the one I'm from, the Pope believes in evolution, along with the vast majority of mainstream Christianity. I can't speak to other religions, but Christianity is the largest.
[QUOTE=Morcam;39444444]Uh, what planet do you guys live on? Cause on the one I'm from, the Pope believes in evolution, along with the vast majority of mainstream Christianity. I can't speak to other religions, but Christianity is the largest.[/QUOTE] The pope is catholic. He does not speak for Christianity.
[QUOTE=Morcam;39444444]Uh, what planet do you guys live on? Cause on the one I'm from, the Pope believes in evolution, along with the vast majority of mainstream Christianity. I can't speak to other religions, but Christianity is the largest.[/QUOTE] Have you actually seen any polling data from America? "Vast majority" is way off.
[QUOTE=Falubii;39444720]Have you actually seen any polling data from America? "Vast majority" is way off.[/QUOTE] The majority of people believe in evolution. Of the remainder, most don't actually give a shit either way because macro-evolution doesn't have any impact on their lives. I'm obviously not denying a link between religion and belief in evolution, I'm just saying that it really doesn't matter. It's not like any of this applies to our daily lives unless you're a biologist. I'd rather have the high-school textbooks skip the subject and creationism entirely.
[QUOTE=Morcam;39445577]The majority of people believe in evolution. Of the remainder, most don't actually give a shit either way because macro-evolution doesn't have any impact on their lives. I'm obviously not denying a link between religion and belief in evolution, I'm just saying that it really doesn't matter. It's not like any of this applies to our daily lives unless you're a biologist. I'd rather have the high-school textbooks skip the subject and creationism entirely.[/QUOTE] Sure, lets skip the "Science of life", and move onto a more relevant thing... -.-' [sub][I]Such an ignorant statement.[/I][/sub]
[QUOTE=Morcam;39445577]The majority of people believe in evolution. Of the remainder, most don't actually give a shit either way because macro-evolution doesn't have any impact on their lives. I'm obviously not denying a link between religion and belief in evolution, I'm just saying that it really doesn't matter. It's not like any of this applies to our daily lives unless you're a biologist. I'd rather have the high-school textbooks skip the subject and creationism entirely.[/QUOTE] why? does that mean we shouldn't teach physics either? what about math past linear algebra? literature?
[QUOTE=Morcam;39445577]The majority of people believe in evolution. Of the remainder, most don't actually give a shit either way because macro-evolution doesn't have any impact on their lives. I'm obviously not denying a link between religion and belief in evolution, I'm just saying that it really doesn't matter. It's not like any of this applies to our daily lives unless you're a biologist. I'd rather have the high-school textbooks skip the subject and creationism entirely.[/QUOTE] If important topics and/or concepts were never taught in high school (or anything lower than that), peoples aspirations for what they would want to do with their lives would be low level, benign, and redundant jobs that require next to no skill. If it weren't for the small genetics unit I took in my biology course in high school, I would have never had taken it in University.
Like I said, I don't have a problem with biology, or genetics. I don't even have a problem with the theory of natural selection. We can see it happen every year when the flu comes around again in a new, mutated form. I'm saying that the statement, "Humans and wolves are both evolved forms of x" is a pretty pointless thing to say. Even though it's true, it really doesn't matter what happened millions of years ago. A million years from now, my cat might grow gills, but why on earth are we not teaching more relevant subjects? Like, say, physics, math past linear algebra, genetics, and literature.
[QUOTE=Morcam;39451733]Like I said, I don't have a problem with biology, or genetics. I don't even have a problem with the theory of natural selection. We can see it happen every year when the flu comes around again in a new, mutated form. I'm saying that the statement, "Humans and wolves are both evolved forms of x" is a pretty pointless thing to say. Even though it's true, it really doesn't matter what happened millions of years ago. A million years from now, my cat might grow gills, but why on earth are we not teaching more relevant subjects? Like, say, physics, math past linear algebra, genetics, and literature.[/QUOTE] It's like why we study human history. We learn more about how things will be in the future (and why they're the way they are now) from understanding how they got where they are now than only focusing on the present.
[QUOTE=Morcam;39451733]Like I said, I don't have a problem with biology, or genetics. I don't even have a problem with the theory of natural selection. We can see it happen every year when the flu comes around again in a new, mutated form. I'm saying that the statement, "Humans and wolves are both evolved forms of x" is a pretty pointless thing to say. Even though it's true, it really doesn't matter what happened millions of years ago. A million years from now, my cat might grow gills, but why on earth are we not teaching more relevant subjects? Like, say, physics, math past linear algebra, genetics, and literature.[/QUOTE] There is a sort of beauty in learning biology, or in learning anything really. It sort of transcends basic necessities and while it is hard to explain to those who do not see it it can be quite powerful. I have learned things in a biology lecture that have had powerful affects on who I am as a person. Knowledge is rewarding in and of itself. Even if macro-evolution were not important or relevant to every day life (which I believe it is), when I imagine a world in which people only learn "relevant" or "necessary" knowledge I can tell you I want nothing of it.
I thought everyone knew this already. Like, even the people at my Church know this... Except Mrs. Staley. No one likes Mrs. Staley. [editline]2nd February 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ScottyWired;39436433]I'm quite satisfied with my local religious groups. I attend a catholic college (they even admit non-religious) and it's taught there from [B]day one[/B] not to take the Bible literally and the stories are to be viewed as parables not historic documents. The local priest even supports evolution theory and had the balls to fly to the Vatican to complain about the Church's viewpoint on homosexuality. In short, religion [I]is[/I] slowly adapting to the modern world, just some groups are too fucking stubborn to change their viewpoint.] EDIT: I take it all back, the devil is here [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Znx54gE.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] My church teaches the Bible as a book of stories and metaphors. And Pastor Randy always talks about science n' shit. Randy's a cool guy.
[QUOTE=Morcam;39451733]Like I said, I don't have a problem with biology, or genetics. I don't even have a problem with the theory of natural selection. We can see it happen every year when the flu comes around again in a new, mutated form. I'm saying that the statement, "Humans and wolves are both evolved forms of x" is a pretty pointless thing to say. Even though it's true, it really doesn't matter what happened millions of years ago. A million years from now, my cat might grow gills, but why on earth are we not teaching more relevant subjects? Like, say, physics, math past linear algebra, genetics, and literature.[/QUOTE] Evolution is not irrelevant. And it's not like a highschool will ever even provide a single year long course entirely devoted to evolution.
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