DEVELOPING: Another school shooting, Perry Hall High School in Maryland
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[QUOTE=Rainhorror;37430232]First of all, I just graduated from this school last year and it definitely not a shitty school or area. It's not all gangsters and racist like Faze has been making it seem. The problem with the school is that it's the largest school in the entire county. It's a giant melting pot of people from the city, the country, and the suburbs. There is literally every type of person going to this school and it's overcrowded.
But there is so much good in the school as well, it's one of the highest rated schools in the state with AP test scores through the roof and so many talented singers, writers, musicians and the like. The time that I went there were a few petty fights mostly among minorities and 1 on 1 quarrels. Only 1 a year, maybe 2 or 3 on a bad year, nothing too bad.
I've been contacting all of my friends who still go there and apparently the kid was an emo/scene/goth kid who was getting picked on so he left the building and came back with a shotgun and shot at the kids who were throwing shit at him and right after that one of the guidance counselors who I knew slammed him into the vending machines, threw the gun to the ground after the shooter got another shot off into the roof. My friends in there said everyone was running or hiding under the tables and some people were getting trampled.
Also, if anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.[/QUOTE]
Have personal details been released? I don't really know anyone at Perry Hall anymore, but I would still like to know who was involved.
[QUOTE=faze;37430307]I was there back in 2004. I grew up in PA. This school was the total opposite from what I grew up with most of my life. I heard the N word and saw more fights in the 4 months I went there than I had ever seen in my entire life. The second half of junior year sucked. It's a mixture of rednecks and inner city Baltimore. Not a good combo. The only reason test scores are high is because there are a shit ton of nerds in the school. There are also a shit ton of ghetto ass motherfuckers in this school that ruin the experience for everyone else.
At least there wasn't a shooting when I was there, but this is a sign that things are getting worse.[/QUOTE]
You're overgeneralizing a big public school, and honestly dividing the student body into "ghetto motherfuckers" and "nerds" just makes you sound kinda ignorant. You could say the same thing about Towson, Dulaney, or any other high school in Baltimore county.
[QUOTE=yumyumshisha;37430057]As long as there are guns and people with an agenda, there will be shootings.[/QUOTE]
maybe there should be less guns.
I was just there last year and all the groups are mostly balanced, but I never really had a problem woth the school. It may have just seemed worse to you than it was for me because I was used to it having lived in Baltimore County my entire life really.
[QUOTE=Rainhorror;37430381]I was just there last year and all the groups are mostly balanced, but I never really had a problem woth the school. It may have just seemed worse to you than it was for me because I was used to it having lived in Baltimore County my entire life really.[/QUOTE]
If you're used to it fine but I wasn't. Seeing the morning fight and cops roaming the hallways was a pretty new experience for me. So were gang fights and race fights.
Coming from suburban York Pennsylvania to this is quite a change...
My friend goes there. Thankfully its not too bad
[QUOTE=yumyumshisha;37430339]Have personal details been released? I don't really know anyone at Perry Hall anymore, but I would still like to know who was involved.
You're overgeneralizing a big public school, and honestly dividing the student body into "ghetto motherfuckers" and "nerds" just makes you sound kinda ignorant. You could say the same thing about Towson, Dulaney, or any other high school in Baltimore county.[/QUOTE]
The shooter was a freshman kid and the guidance counselor was Mr. Wasmer if any of you guys knew him. I'm still trying to learn who the victim was but he was either an older Junior or new Senior.
[editline]27th August 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=faze;37430408]If you're used to it fine but I wasn't. Seeing the morning fight and cops roaming the hallways was a pretty new experience for me. So were gang fights and race fights.
Coming from suburban York Pennsylvania to this is quite a change...[/QUOTE]
I've never experience anything that bad and yeah, it's probably just the change that made it seem worse but really any other public high school in Baltimore County is like Perry Hall, it's just the largest of them all.
[QUOTE=Rainhorror;37430437]The shooter was a freshman kid named <censored> and his facebook is <censored> and the guidance counselor was Mr. Wasmer if any of you guys knew him. I'm still trying to learn who the victim was but he was either an older Junior or new Senior.
[editline]27th August 2012[/editline]
I've never experience anything that bad and yeah, it's probably just the change that made it seem worse but really any other public high school in Baltimore County is like Perry Hall, it's just the largest of them all.[/QUOTE]
I dunno if posting names and such is a good idea yet...
I didn't have much shit pointed at me but it was pretty bad. I had a friend almost get into a situation like what happened today. Some weird ass guy named Bernie something or other, almost killed some other person for some such reason. They expelled him.
[QUOTE=Rainhorror;37430437]The shooter was a freshman kid and the guidance counselor was Mr. Wasmer if any of you guys knew him. I'm still trying to learn who the victim was but he was either an older Junior or new Senior.
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"First day of school, last day of my life. t(~_~t), fuck the world"
well . . . .
Yeah, edited my post if you wanted to get rid of the quote.
Based on Rumors from school children, it seems the kid brought the shotgun to school in a violin/instrument case. He was being bullied by the older kid, and decided to take care of it himself. The kid that was shot has a huge hole in his torso and is at a hospital in critical conditon.
Whoo speculation!
Edit:
Personally as bad as it is to say.. I only feel sorry for the shot kids parents. Been bullied myself and I could relate to wanting to kill someone, and if the school won't do anything then do something yourself I suppose.
I'm very twisted I know, sorry.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;37430364]maybe there should be less guns.[/QUOTE]
guns aren't the problem, people who want to kill are the problem. banning guns creates a black market which actually makes it easier for convicted felons to get a gun.
[QUOTE=yumyumshisha;37429951]Yeah, my parents and a lot of my family friends have stores in Baltimore city and I'm always afraid something like this will happen. But Baltimore can be a safe place to live if you avoid wandering around at night, and the Inner Harbor area is actually a decent place to live/visit. Shows like "The Wire" make the city seem worse than it is.[/QUOTE]
I went to the Aquarium in Baltimore, it's surreal seeing homeless people in plain sight though, since there aren't any around here. There was this one homeless guy who kept getting in trouble, and eventually the cops came and yelled at him. The drivers were assholes too, if you did anything (or if you didn't, they don't care) they would beep at you and flick you off, if you were lucky they had a passenger who would lean out the window to scream profanities at you too!
Also there were "minorities" everywhere, mostly african americans. The only significant concentration of white people was at the tourist parks :v:
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;37431784]guns aren't the problem, people who want to kill are the problem. banning guns creates a black market which actually makes it easier for convicted felons to get a gun.[/QUOTE]
Well, it would certainly create less random shootings by some insane assholes. And gangs would shoot eachoter as much as before.
[QUOTE=Liber;37431643]Again..
[video=youtube;PezlFNTGWv4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4[/video][/QUOTE]
Don't worry, I have seen the video. Its posted in every thread someone shoots someone, regardless if the shooting had nothing to do with what is in the video. You know nothing about the shooting, yet your assuming that it applies to what is being talked about in the video. I understand everyone has a raging hard on for this video, but at least wait to see if it applies before posting it.
But ignoring all that, I'm not sure why you posted that in response to what I said. Most shootings that happen everyday have nothing at all to do with media coverage, sorry, they don't.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;37431881]Well, it would certainly create less random shootings by some insane assholes. And gangs would shoot eachoter as much as before.[/QUOTE]
You just said yourself that gangs (aka criminals) will shoot people just as much since they're going to break the law anyway. You countered your own point.
I know a kid that goes to Perry high school in Arizona, I read the title quick and almost shit myself.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;37431952]You just said yourself that gangs (aka criminals) will shoot people just as much since they're going to break the law anyway. You countered your own point.[/QUOTE]
You dumdumb, I said it would most likely prevent insane assholes to carry out their acts, however gangs would still be able to shoot eachoter. And regarding if this was a gang act or not is just a rumour
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;37432015]You dumdumb, I said it would most likely prevent insane assholes to carry out their acts, however gangs would still be able to shoot eachoter. And regarding if this was a gang act or not is just a rumour[/QUOTE]
I'm talking on a much bigger scale than this incident.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;37431784]guns aren't the problem, people who want to kill are the problem. banning guns creates a black market which actually makes it easier for convicted felons to get a gun.[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/weapons.cfm[/URL]
I think this link from the US Department Of Justice website should be relevant to any gun control debate that comes up in the future. It's a series of graphs on homicide trends by weapon type from 1976-2005. For those who don't like reading, the amount of homicides committed using guns far outnumber the amount of homicides committed by using any other type of weapon. So yeah, if there were less guns the rate of homicides would drop dramatically. There's no data as to how many of these weapons were bought legally, but this is still an extremely convincing argument for those on the pro gun-control side of the debate. Well, it convinced me, at least. A little. I still think the number of guns obtained legally or illegally is an important factor to this debate. After all, if we do completely ban the sale of legal firearms and it turns out to not affect the number of firearms-related homicides, then what the fuck was the point?
[QUOTE=Liber;37431643]Again..
[video=youtube;PezlFNTGWv4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezlFNTGWv4[/video][/QUOTE]
Does this video need to be posted for EVERY fucking shooting?
[QUOTE=Liber;37432458]I was talking about SCHOOL SHOOTINGS, not shootings in general.[/QUOTE]
You where responding to me though, I was not talking about just school shootings.
[QUOTE=Liber;37432541]So you agree that most school shootings happen because of the extensive news coverage?[/QUOTE]
No, not necessarily.
You know what I love about gun arguments? US Americans are the only ones to claim that less guns in people's hands would not solve any problems.
It's like a fat person blaming genetics for being overweight when everyone else is telling them to stop eating so much.
[QUOTE=Xenomoose;37432360][URL]http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/weapons.cfm[/URL]
I think this link from the US Department Of Justice website should be relevant to any gun control debate that comes up in the future. It's a series of graphs on homicide trends by weapon type from 1976-2005. For those who don't like reading, the amount of homicides committed using guns far outnumber the amount of homicides committed by using any other type of weapon. So yeah, if there were less guns the rate of homicides would drop dramatically. There's no data as to how many of these weapons were bought legally, but this is still an extremely convincing argument for those on the pro gun-control side of the debate. Well, it convinced me, at least. A little. I still think the number of guns obtained legally or illegally is an important factor to this debate. After all, if we do completely ban the sale of legal firearms and it turns out to not affect the number of firearms-related homicides, then what the fuck was the point?[/QUOTE]
I think the data is pretty irrelevant without any distinction between legal and illegal firearms. The 80's and early to mid 90's are particularly turbulent due to high rates of gang violence and the vast majority of the murders committed during that time period were done with stolen or otherwise illegal firearms. Pre-86 figures are lower even though new automatic weapons were available to civilians at the time.
[QUOTE=Xenomoose;37432360][URL]http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/weapons.cfm[/URL]
I think this link from the US Department Of Justice website should be relevant to any gun control debate that comes up in the future. It's a series of graphs on homicide trends by weapon type from 1976-2005. For those who don't like reading, the amount of homicides committed using guns far outnumber the amount of homicides committed by using any other type of weapon. So yeah, if there were less guns the rate of homicides would drop dramatically. There's no data as to how many of these weapons were bought legally, but this is still an extremely convincing argument for those on the pro gun-control side of the debate. Well, it convinced me, at least. A little. I still think the number of guns obtained legally or illegally is an important factor to this debate. After all, if we do completely ban the sale of legal firearms and it turns out to not affect the number of firearms-related homicides, then what the fuck was the point?[/QUOTE]
I don't have the stats in front of me, but Chicago had a handgun ban in effect for 28 years (until quite recently actually). Over those 28 years, Chicago police statistics showed that more, not less, deaths were caused by firearms, with the majority caused by handguns (which, for clarity, were completely banned. Ownership was illegal period). Most of the increase was gang related, but that doesn't always mean gang-on-gang action: more people got caught in gang crossfire too. Anyway, Chicago was one of the worst cities for firearm deaths despite a near complete gun ban.
Banning guns sounds good on paper, but the reality is it doesn't seem to work.
edited for slight clarity
[QUOTE=Scotty.;37429152]But it's my right to carry a dangerous weapon!
:eagle:[/QUOTE]
Xenomoose brought statistics and good argument into this thread. I disagree but his argument is a strong one. You, on the other hand, just dumbed down a very complex debate into "HURR WE SHOULD LET EVERYONE CARRY DEADLY WEAPONS AT ALL TIMES LOL".
[QUOTE=vide0bug13;37431415]Based on Rumors from school children, it seems the kid brought the shotgun to school in a violin/instrument case. He was being bullied by the older kid, and decided to take care of it himself. The kid that was shot has a huge hole in his torso and is at a hospital in critical conditon.
Whoo speculation!
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so this happend because the school did nothing while a kid gets bullied I think who ever did nothing should get fired
[QUOTE=No_Excuses;37432705]You know what I love about gun arguments? US Americans are the only ones to claim that less guns in people's hands would not solve any problems.
It's like a fat person blaming genetics for being overweight when everyone else is telling them to stop eating so much.[/QUOTE]
there's literally no proof that gun control reduces gun crime
and I've been a part of these kinds of arguments plenty of times and I'm going to reiterate that gun control is a bandaid. it's like if the government banned mcdonalds to stop obesity - obesity isn't the problem, it's society.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;37432844]there's literally no proof that gun control reduces gun crime
and I've been a part of these kinds of arguments plenty of times and I'm going to reiterate that gun control is a bandaid. it's like if the government banned mcdonalds to stop obesity - obesity isn't the problem, it's society.[/QUOTE]
Oh really? So states like Arizona that have open carry have crazy violent crime? How about places like Maryland for example where the average Joe can't get a CCW permit. Crime is a LOT higher, as is with DC.
Unless you meant gun control in the context of limiting who can get guns. In which case I agree. Criminals will always get guns. If they don't get that, they'll get baseball bats, knives, pipe bombs or whatever else.
[QUOTE=faze;37432869]Oh really? So states like Arizona that have open carry have crazy violent crime? How about places like Maryland for example where the average Joe can't get a CCW permit. Crime is a LOT higher, as is with DC.
Unless you meant gun control in the context of limiting who can get guns. In which case I agree. Criminals will always get guns. If they don't get that, they'll get baseball bats, knives, pipe bombs or whatever else.[/QUOTE]
well there's a balance
people shouldn't have asinine gun control laws that ban arbitrary things (california), but things like cool-off laws are a good idea. i mean, there's not a lot of things you can control within reason so that gun control can't be antiquated to something like disallowing more than 6 cylinders on a car engine, or disallowing computers to have more than 4GB of RAM. these kinds of gun control don't solve anything. I'm not saying like, "if there are more people with guns, there will be less crime" but it's more that "gun control doesn't affect people" because we have been murdering one another for thousands upon thousands of years
sure, guns make it easier to kill people, but in cases like these, it's just as easy to stab a kid as it is to shoot him. and even then, guns still exist and are floating around. implementing gun control now isn't going to solve anything
Waiting periods are pretty unobtrusive to legitimate buyers but there's no evidence that they're actually effective.
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