[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;34284487]American Graffiti
People forget that he practically invented the modern teen sex comedy with American Graffiti the same way he created the modern sci-fi fantasy special effects epic with Star Wars.
Not many directors can claim to have started a genre, much less TWO genres.
It only makes his failures with the prequels more 'wtf?'. Somewhere along the way he forgot how to make films and became a toy salesman.[/QUOTE]
You mean he's the one behind all those awful comedy central movies?
[QUOTE=Drewsko;34284094]I may sound stupid and should probably expect a large number of boxes in my future, but I want to say this:
I'm a child of the Prequel Age.
I don't give a crap about the complaints, I love all the Star Wars movies the same.
I can live past Jar Jar, I feel the Midichlorian and [B]Han shooting first issues greatly exaggerated,[/B] I still love the podrace (WITH ALL deleted scenes), I love the additions of Ep3 Anakin to RotJ, Jabba to ANH, and others to the original triology, and I fail to see how any of the CGI sucks within the context of the films.
I'm not saying they're faultless. I've never felt myself a good judge of acting, and will relent with people complaining about Anakin & Padme's performances and similar issues. I also understand that Lucas may not be a pefect scrpit writer. I know that bringing up the Expanded Universe doesn't really help to explain any story problems. I agree that adding a Big NO to Vader's lines at the end of RotJ was a little too much.
But I grew up with the prequels, and The Phantom Menace was really what got me into Star Wars when I was a kid. So even if a day will come where I look back and realize that all these films are faulty, I will always enjoy them for how they got me started with a certain faraway galaxy.
More on topic, I'm going to miss seeing Lucas try more big-name films. I would've liked to see him go beyond the Star Wars series and work on other titles that were popular yet not sci-fi related. A shame he feels that way too about his complainers.
I don't see him as greedy or stupid or clueless in regards to how he has run (No, I did not forget to put an "I" there) the franchise. He isn't solely responsible for everything Lucasfilm churns out, and if there is scrupulous things going on there, it's probably due to somebody else. I see him has a man with great (yet not brilliant) ideas who simply cares alot about trying to perfect his works.[/QUOTE]
I REALLY have to disagree with that one point. Han Solo when you first see the movie is NOT a good guy. Him shooting Greedo establishes that he is infact a criminal who has no problems killing someone else when they're in danger. When Han left Luke and said he was done you really do start to think he wont be coming back, which you don't get in the new edited versions because anyone who sees it knows he'll come back because he didn't kill someone in cold blood you don't get the sense that he's a bad guy.
What happened to Indiana Jones was unacceptable, [B]good riddance[/B].
I wouldn't have cared about the re-releases of the original Star Wars Trilogy if he had just released the theatrical versions along with them. The fans and the director can have their favorite versions of a movie, even if the director and the fans hate the others version.
[QUOTE=Laferio;34282666]Am I the only person that sees nothing wrong with the current star wars? (except that animated bullshit new one that came out some years ago).[/QUOTE]
[url=http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/] Go here, watch the reviews of episode I, II, III[/url] and then comeback to make statement. I use to love Revenge of the Sith, but that's probably because I was 11 when I saw them. Watching the review after that made me realize how bad it really was.
Still, I do feel a little bad for George Lucas, but he really didn't realize his place in film. He was a better ideas guy than anything else.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;34282258]I think the first "nooo" was fine, the second was a bit excessive.[/quote]
I can only imagine how they got James Earl Jones to do it.
Lucas: "James, we need you to do some redubs on Episode VI."
Jones: "No..."
Lucas: "But the deadline for the Blu-Ray release is only a month away!"
Jones: "[b]NOOOOOOO![/b]"
Lucas: "That's all we needed, actually. Thanks a lot."
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;34282258]Also I kind of liked the prequels, while episode I and II weren't that great, episode III was fine.[/QUOTE]
The duels were a lot more exciting. Episode I just didn't have enough Darth Maul. Episodes II and III didn't have enough Dooku with his elaborate combat techniques (or enough Christopher Lee, for that matter), but at least Episode III made up for it with the large amount of dueling scenes it had.
Also:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzOFs3E4ZFs[/media]
I burst out laughing at that scene for some reason when I went to see it.
[QUOTE=magicman1234;34285001]What happened to Indiana Jones was unacceptable, [B]good riddance[/B].[/QUOTE]
Shia Labeouf was like Wesley Crusher in that movie.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;34284487]American Graffiti
People forget that he practically invented the modern teen sex comedy with American Graffiti the same way he created the modern sci-fi fantasy special effects epic with Star Wars.
Not many directors can claim to have started a genre, much less TWO genres.
It only makes his failures with the prequels more 'wtf?'. Somewhere along the way he forgot how to make films and became a toy salesman.[/QUOTE]
Peter Jackson pulled the Fantasy film genre out of the "every fantasy movie is a b-movie with comedy to compensate for lack of believability" hole that it had dug for itself through the 80s. His trilogy is the first fantasy film that doesn't talk down to its audience. It doesn't remind them to "just play along now" every five minutes either. He earned a failed genre new respect and 11 academy awards for the final movie, Only achieved by Ben-Hur and one other film really cements that.
Stephen Spielberg brought Dinosaurs to the screen. He gave us Time Travel, Sharks, Loveable Aliens and so forth.much like Peter Jackson, he keeps pushing the technical boundaries of films. Without Spielberg, there would probably be no Peter Jackson. Without Peter Jackson there would be no Weta Digital. Without Weta Digital there would not have been such a leap in Mo-Cap moviemaking these past 10 years. Without the techniques developed during LOTR production, there would probably not have been any Avatar movie or a TinTin movie either.
The Prequels are fine and Lucas has only Directed six movies in his entire career. What a diverse Film-maker indeed. I don't mean to fault or bash the guy. But i find him to be overhyped.
I love Lucas, without him we wouldn't have the AMAZING thing we have today. It's the biggest franchise in history(I think) sure his newest movies weren't up to par with the first trilogy but that's only because us older fans don't like the technology he used. I am fairly sure that 50 years from now people will say the prequels were the best.
[QUOTE=Harry Plinkett;34285145][IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_yHMVHf1Mr4/TcoqU7HkSgI/AAAAAAAABHs/Mzv4xMqB2o0/s1600/pizza-roll-frozen_sm.JPG[/IMG][/QUOTE]
stuff of gods
Lucas is the equivalent of an ideas guy making a Source mod that everybody loved, then coming back and redoing it with FakeFactory assets. Somewhere along the line, he tripped and got a wound that made his brain fall out the back of his head - maybe his noggin was just a bit too open to keep it in.
[QUOTE=nemmises5;34285329]I am fairly sure that 50 years from now people will say the prequels were the best.[/QUOTE]
Considering that we didn't have crap like Twilight, Epic Movie and Alvin and the Chipmunks: Chipwrecked when the original trilogy came out, i can't imagine what crap we'll have ing 50 years to make the prequel trilogy look good.
I'm not that the original trilogy is bad, i'm just giving an example.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;34285159]Peter Jackson pulled the Fantasy film genre out of the "every fantasy movie is a b-movie with comedy to compensate for lack of believability" hole that it had dug for itself through the 80s. His trilogy is the first fantasy film that doesn't talk down to its audience. It doesn't remind them to "just play along now" every five minutes either. He earned a failed genre new respect and 11 academy awards for the final movie, Only achieved by Ben-Hur and one other film really cements that.
Stephen Spielberg brought Dinosaurs to the screen. He gave us Time Travel, Sharks, Loveable Aliens and so forth.much like Peter Jackson, he keeps pushing the technical boundaries of films. Without Spielberg, there would probably be no Peter Jackson. Without Peter Jackson there would be no Weta Digital. Without Weta Digital there would not have been such a leap in Mo-Cap moviemaking these past 10 years. Without the techniques developed during LOTR production, there would probably not have been any Avatar movie or a TinTin movie either.
The Prequels are fine and Lucas has only Directed six movies in his entire career. What a diverse Film-maker indeed. I don't mean to fault or bash the guy. But i find him to be overhyped.[/QUOTE]
Spielberg can get credit for creating one thing- the summer blockbuster. Jaws started that, and we have it to this day. The summer is when all the big effects movies come out.
Everything else he's done is derivative, either overtly(Raiders and all the other Indy movies) or simply retreading what's been done before but with modern technology(Jurassic Park). ET was hardly the first 'nice alien meets human' movie, Spielberg himself did it once before with Close Encounters.
Weta is pretty cool, and P Jackson has done well, but I'll just remind you Lucas was there first. He created ILM to do the effects for his Star Wars movies, and ILM eventually got big enough to do effects for other filmmakers too. Peter Jacksom simply copied that with Weta.
[QUOTE=nemmises5;34285329]I love Lucas, without him we wouldn't have the AMAZING thing we have today. It's the biggest franchise in history(I think) sure his newest movies weren't up to par with the first trilogy but that's only because us older fans don't like the technology he used. I am fairly sure that 50 years from now people will say the prequels were the best.[/QUOTE]
People are saying that today mate. Just get with the times son!
[editline]19th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;34285461]Spielberg can get credit for creating one thing- the summer blockbuster. Jaws started that, and we have it to this day. The summer is when all the big effects movies come out.
Everything else he's done is derivative, either overtly(Raiders and all the other Indy movies) or simply retreading what's been done before but with modern technology(Jurassic Park). ET was hardly the first 'nice alien meets human' movie, Spielberg himself did it once before with Close Encounters.
Weta is pretty cool, and P Jackson has done well, but I'll just remind you Lucas was there first. He created ILM to do the effects for his Star Wars movies, and ILM eventually got big enough to do effects for other filmmakers too.[/QUOTE]
It's not about "getting there first" it's about doing it well and Weta sure does shit well these days.
Poor George Lucas. I personally think he's awesome. I'm actually doing an art project on him. It's a project on any particular artist, we have to print out a biography and draw a portrait of the person. Maybe I'll post a picture when it's done, it seems relevant.
If Red Tails is as good as he said it is, he better still make a prequel and sequel like he said he would.
Nooooooooooo
There goes my hope for a Howard the Duck sequel
This sound like a disgruntled adult that is tired of people making fun of his media output and has despondently left it to go to smaller projects.
[img]http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/c/c3/Chris_chan_looking_up.jpg[/img]
[sp]Sorry, but it was just too easy a joke to make[/sp]
[QUOTE=NuggetWarmer;34281656]Maybe instead of whining and quitting, he should stop releasing crappy CG edited versions of films that are fine on their own. I wonder if he knows how much of a little brat he's being.[/QUOTE]
When they re-did the ghost in the shell movie with fancy new cg(which actually did make it look better I think) they were nice enough to include the original inside the special features.
It's not that hard to do george.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;34285461]Spielberg can get credit for creating one thing- the summer blockbuster. Jaws started that, and we have it to this day. The summer is when all the big effects movies come out.[/QUOTE]
If this is true, then I'll never forgive him for Transformers.
"Big effects movie"
[url]http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-one.html[/url]
CGI looks better, proof is above.
[QUOTE=Xperia;34286259][url]http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/star-wars-the-changes-part-one.html[/url]
CGI looks better, proof is above.[/QUOTE]
the CGI kinda looks shitty, but only reason it works in that is because originally they actually had a physical scene... in the new movies EVERYTHING is CGI, so, it looks so fake and edited rather than physically made and "Real", which only looks like shit.
[QUOTE=Askaris;34282756]Funny actually: /tg/ was having a Star Wars discussion last night, and one of the points raised was that Lucas is very much like Hideo Kojima; he can come up with good ideas and settings, but only if he's surrounded by saner people to reign him in when he strays into stupid instead.[/QUOTE]
It's a good point. But Kojima can actually direct very well, Lucas can not.
Kojima's problem is as a writer. He's like the kid with and overly imaginative mind, he just doesn't know how to say "maybe less is more".
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;34286504]It's a good point. But Kojima can actually direct very well, Lucas can not.
Kojima's problem is as a writer. He's like the kid with and overly imaginative mind, he just doesn't know how to say "maybe less is more".[/QUOTE]
Some times i think he' be better off doing episodic manga or tv-series... what with all the lore he wants across. I felt the same way about FFX though that has nothing at all to do with the subject.
Who cares, he has not made a good movie since revenge of the sith.
[img]http://www.dvdactive.com/images/editorial/screenshot/2011/9/r2hidesbd.jpg[/img]
....ummmm, how did he get behind those rocks?
Seriously George, how do you not expect us to give you shit when you make alterations that causes logic problems within your own movie.
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