• Most cancer is just caused by random chance rather than lifestyle, says US study
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people here keep making puns that I don't understand
[QUOTE=Mad.Hatter;46842465]Go on.[/QUOTE] like eating nuts and bolts for breakfast
[QUOTE]However some of the most common and deadly cancers are still heavily influenced by lifestyle.[/QUOTE] So that means since my wife's [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synovial_sarcoma"]cancer[/URL] is rare then she was screwed over just by chance? Good to know I guess. Still doesn't help solve the problem.
DM voice: "Roll for cancer check"
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46841293]This. If you smoke, you're still waaaaay more likely to get lung cancer. The study basically says "Many types of cancer just occur randomly, but some of the most common cancers are still clearly tied to lifestyle."[/QUOTE] not only lung cancer, but tracheal or throat cancer too, i once stayed in a public hospital for a week in a head and neck surgery unit, and literally everyone aside from me, was there due to either tracheal or throat cancer caused by smoking, i even got to see an insane guy who was so addicted to smoking, that he smoked through his tracheostomy tube :suicide:, i guess he wanted to die faster or something. going through a head and neck surgery ward, is probably the best way to see with your own eyes how horrible smoking really is for your health(i also recall reading somewhere, that if you smoke, you got like 2000% higher chance of getting throat and tracheal cancer).
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;46843760]going through a head and neck surgery ward, is probably the best way to see with your own eyes how horrible smoking really is for your health(i also recall reading somewhere, that if you smoke, you got like 2000% higher chance of getting throat and tracheal cancer).[/QUOTE] Not only is it bad for your health, but you stink of smoke too. How many times did I have to wash my clean clothes because somebody smoked in the same room.
I'm probably going to sound like some sort of nutcase here, but has anyone read any work by Dr. John Sarno? He basically discovered how some illness and pain can be brought on by the brain to create a distraction from other hardships in your life (stress, repressed emotions, etc) one of the main things he discovered was TMS ( [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tension_myositis_syndrome[/URL] ) a condition where the brain controls the autonomic nervous system to slightly pinch a vein in a certain part of the body, not enough to cause harm but enough to trigger pain. Because of the way the symptom is induced it can't be cured using any form of surgery or medication, the pain can be reduced by applying heat to the affected area (which causes the veins to expand) one of the most common forms of TMS is RSI (Repetitive Strain Injury) usually the TMS symptoms are whatever is in fashion, in RSI's case typing on a computer keyboard which is strange when you consider RSI wasn't a thing when typewriters were heavily used. The reason I mention him is because in some of his books he mentions that cancer creation can be influenced by the brain as one of these distractions. I would probably think he was a whack job with a whole "you can heal yourself using your mind if you have faith" cult following, if it wasn't for his books helping to cure my father and grandfathers terrible back pain. Again I realise I probably sound like a nutcase here, I thought the same when my father got the book after reading a lot of positive reviews on amazon.
Mumbles... Cursed genetics...
[QUOTE=Maucer;46841580]Isn't it always caused by random change? Carsinogens just increase the risk. You can never say whether a mutation that became lung cancer was directly caused by smoking, even though it's highly likely if the person smoked for 40 years.[/QUOTE] Obviously, but the dice you roll has fewer sides when you smoke/drink whatever. For example, cancer for a healthy individual might be 1/100 and for a smoker 1/5. Still a chance, yeah, but smaller nonetheless.
[QUOTE=cdlink14;46844755]I'm probably going to sound like some sort of nutcase here, but has anyone read any work by Dr. John Sarno? He basically discovered how some illness and pain can be brought on by the brain to create a distraction from other hardships in your life (stress, repressed emotions, etc) one of the main things he discovered was TMS - [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tension_myositis_syndrome[/url] The reason I mention him is because in some of his books he mentions that cancer can be created by the brain as one of these distractions. I would probably think he was a whack job with a whole "you can heal yourself using your mind if you have faith" cult following, if it wasn't for his books helping to cure my father and grandfathers terrible back pain. Again I realise I probably sound like a nutcase here, I thought the same when my father got the book after reading a lot of positive reviews on amazon.[/QUOTE] I read one book from Sarno that actually helped me a lot with pain related issues. As somebody who has worked in cancer research in my past I have to say though, that this claim is pretty rediculous. It's a leap. Can the state of your mind influence your risk or progression of cancer? Potentially. I could imagine that a stressed brain could cause effects that would enable some cancers more easily. However, I cannot imagine it is a root cause. The thing with Sarno is that he has a solid theory about how physical pain (a sensation that is created in the brain no matter where in your body you experience it) can in some cases be created due to repressed emotions. That still does not connect to cancer. It also seems impossible that the state of your mind can reverse cancer. Once cancerous tissue is established, deregulated cells are growing and mutating uncontrollably and aggressively. At that point these cells have left their natural state and cannot be controlled by the body the same way normal cells would. The body has mechanisms to command a cell to die or to alter its behaviour. Cancer cells usually acquire resistance or immunity against these mechanisms via mutations or structural variations.
[QUOTE=margurgl;46844987]I read one book from Sarno that actually helped me a lot with pain related issues. As somebody who has worked in cancer research in my past I have to say though, that this claim is pretty rediculous. It's a leap. Can the state of your mind influence your risk or progression of cancer? Potentially. I could imagine that a stressed brain could cause effects that would enable some cancers more easily. However, I cannot imagine it is a root cause. The thing with Sarno is that he has a solid theory about how physical pain (a sensation that is created in the brain no matter where in your body you experience it) can in some cases be created due to repressed emotions. That still does not connect to cancer. It also seems impossible that the state of your mind can reverse cancer. Once cancerous tissue is established, deregulated cells are growing and mutating uncontrollably and aggressively. At that point these cells have left their natural state and cannot be controlled by the body the same way normal cells would. The body has mechanisms to command a cell to die or to alter its behaviour. Cancer cells usually acquire resistance or immunity against these mechanisms via mutations or structural variations.[/QUOTE] I realised my mistake in typing and fixed it before you responded.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;46840591]I'm surprised that there isn't a larger amount put down to genetic predisposition.[/QUOTE] There is no such thing as RNG, its just factors people don't understand, or haven't found yet. There is bound to be underlying relations/co-relations, they where just outside the scope of this research.
Well shit back to smoking and drinking [editline]3rd January 2015[/editline] not like i ever stopped!
I heard this on the news and the lady was saying 22 types of cancer are cause by bad luck. Good thing i don't have bad luck!
[QUOTE=kaizari;46840853]Makes me wonder if people develop cancer from a random mutation that is not strong enough to grow much, dies and just vanishes without the person noticing at all.[/QUOTE] The ability for the body to terminate, or at least stabilize it is what differentiates a benign tumor from a cancer (malignant tumor). Effectively, most tumors, are recognized as bad by the body and terminated, but some reproduce fast enough to remain roughly the same size over long periods of time (such as moles and birthmarks). When the regulation for cell reproduction fails and the cells reproduce like crazy while corrupted is when they become cancerous. Outside influences that have a higher chance of corrupting a cell are thus more likely to cause a cancer to form than otherwise.
While cancer is a anyone's game when it comes to things such as who gets it an who doesn't, it doesn't mean that doing things such as smoking, excessive drinking, or unhealthily eating won't increase the risk. There really is no one direct cause of cancer
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