• Pizza Hut Employee Shoots and Kills Attempted Robber
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He could prolly get unenployment without trying very hard.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;51285226]someone sees you trying to draw a gun would put you at much higher risk than the perpetrator; complying is much more likely to get to keep your life.[/QUOTE] it isn't about probability but about self-agency
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;51284925]yeah but as far as employee handbooks go he's probably gonna get fired[/QUOTE] Better to be fired from work then to be dead.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;51285241]Its not that they're "disposable", its that they put themselves at risk.[/QUOTE] No, it really is that they are considered disposable. Minimum wage jobs that require basically no training are very easy to fill with the abundance of labor available. An employee getting seriously hurt, or killed means absolutely nothing to the company beyond the liability that they might face. A minimum wage grunt is literally disposable. If he does anything 'out of line', the costs of firing him are the costs of training his replacement, and that's practically nothing. If they weren't disposable, things like OSHA, EEOC, etc would not need the terrifying reach and power that they have. Turnover rates wouldn't average less than 6 months either.
[QUOTE=a-cookie;51284911]why would you rob a pizza hut gotta be better places to rob[/QUOTE] They got a habit to support, I reckon.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;51285273]No, it really is that they are considered disposable. Minimum wage jobs that require basically no training are very easy to fill with the abundance of labor available. An employee getting seriously hurt, or killed means absolutely nothing to the company beyond the liability that they might face. A minimum wage grunt is literally disposable. If he does anything 'out of line', the costs of firing him are the costs of training his replacement, and that's practically nothing. If they weren't disposable, things like OSHA, EEOC, etc would not need the terrifying reach and power that they have. Turnover rates wouldn't average less than 6 months either.[/QUOTE] If Pizza Hut were a Fascist military then you would might be right. But Pizza Hutt is a business and know whats bad for business? Paying out liability lawsuits when your employees try to play Rambo and get hurt or killed is not good for business. Paying out lawsuits to the criminals who sue Pizza Hutt is also not good for business. If they thought that their employees were expendable, they'd be telling them to swarm any robbers or thieves in the store.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51285313] Paying out lawsuits to the criminals who sue Pizza Hutt is also not good for business. [/QUOTE] That's another thing I find bullshit about America, if you get robbed, and shoot someone but don't kill them - they can actually sue you and win. For fucking breaking the law.
You know, if anything he's going to get fired for bringing a firearm to work.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51285326]That's another thing I find bullshit about America, if you get robbed, and shoot someone but don't kill them - they can actually sue you and win. For fucking breaking the law.[/QUOTE] That's entirely dependent on the state. Here in Minnesota you cannot be held criminally or civilly liable for anything that happens during a legitimate robbery of your own homer or your businesses property.
Oh dude awesome this is like less than 20 minutes away from me I mean, shit. Also yeah I'm not surprised, it's pretty easy to get guns here in this area.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51285313]If Pizza Hut were a Fascist military then you would might be right. But Pizza Hutt is a business and know whats bad for business? Paying out liability lawsuits when your employees try to play Rambo and get hurt or killed is not good for business. Paying out lawsuits to the criminals who sue Pizza Hutt is also not good for business. If they thought that their employees were expendable, they'd be telling them to swarm any robbers or thieves in the store.[/QUOTE] I fail to understand the Rambo comparison.
[QUOTE=Svinnik;51285168][B]people generally dont murder out of nowhere[/B] Which is more likely in terms of a robber wanting to murder someone: 1: That he just decides to kill the clerk for no reason, escalating a robbery charge to a murder charge for essentially no reason. 2: That his friend got fatally shot by the clerk. I think that the latter is more likely to get the clerk murdered.[/QUOTE] I think it's funny that so many people on here just make these broad generalizations about violent criminals. If you want to put your life in the hands of some dude who might be mentally ill and high on meth pointing a gun at your face, go ahead, but please don't criticize others for not being so complacent with their well being. [editline]31st October 2016[/editline] Like, you realize people get shot and killed for no reason whatsoever, right? It isn't unreasonable to assume the guy pointing a gun at you might get nervous/careless/psychopathic and just blow your brains out because he feels like it.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51285326]That's another thing I find bullshit about America, if you get robbed, and shoot someone but don't kill them - they can actually sue you and win. For fucking breaking the law.[/QUOTE] oh yeah it's absolutely ridiculous all that accomplishes is people thinking well if i ever have to shoot someone in self defense I'm gonna make damn sure they're dead cause I don't want to be sued by robbie the robber later
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;51285364]I fail to understand the Rambo comparison.[/QUOTE] What I mean is the employee trying to be a hero and attempting to stop a robbery, either hurting themselves or the robber in the process. [editline]31st October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51285326]That's another thing I find bullshit about America, if you get robbed, and shoot someone but don't kill them - they can actually sue you and win. For fucking breaking the law.[/QUOTE] Yea I don't think anyone in the US really likes that all. [editline]31st October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=PandaJuggernaut;51285395]oh yeah it's absolutely ridiculous all that accomplishes is people thinking well if i ever have to shoot someone in self defense I'm gonna make damn sure they're dead cause I don't want to be sued by robbie the robber later[/QUOTE] Yea don't actually do that. If you kill a man whose no longer a threat to you, you're just murdering him and gonna spend the rest of your life in jail. I know the saying "Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" is a popular saying but it's better to lose a few grand in court fees and all that than it is to spend 20+ years in jail.
You know the old saying Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6, and by extension, better to be fired from your crummy pizza hut job than die for someone else's money
how is it better to have killed a man than a huge chain taking a small loss since when is money more important than life?????
[QUOTE=a-cookie;51284911]why would you rob a pizza hut gotta be better places to rob[/QUOTE] pizza nova was closed
[QUOTE=Rusty100;51285419]how is it better to have killed a man than a huge chain taking a small loss since when is money more important than life?????[/QUOTE] I don't think the victim was thinking about saving pizza hut profits when someone put a gun to his face
[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;51285364]I fail to understand the Rambo comparison.[/QUOTE] people defending themselves with firearms are often labelled as rambos in SH for some reason
[QUOTE=Rusty100;51285419]how is it better to have killed a man than a huge chain taking a small loss since when is money more important than life?????[/QUOTE] Your life and safety is more important than a person whose willing to compromise that. In these situations, intent is irrelevant because you don't know their intent. What matters is capability, and a person walking into a store with a firearm in his hand is capable of a lot of things.
I don't like that they called the guy who died the victim.
man tries, with deadly force,to rob store, employee defends it with deadly force man gets seen as the victim ???????????????????????
[QUOTE=Ridge;51285469]I don't like that they called the guy who died the victim.[/QUOTE] As far as i'm concerned he committed suicide.
[QUOTE=GentlemanLexi;51285491]man tries, with deadly force,to rob store, employee defends it with deadly force man gets seen as the victim ???????????????????????[/QUOTE] because there are some crazy people who think that you can't defend yourself, no matter what. if some armed people are robbing the place/home I'm at, and I get the drop on them, with a weapon, I'm sure as hell going to use it, rather than leave my fate up to them. Especially since theres a huge change that they might fucking kill you just because they don't want witnesses. But no, never shoot anyone, it's totally worth their life over yours, because in the end, thats what it comes down to.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51285326]That's another thing I find bullshit about America, if you get robbed, and shoot someone but don't kill them - they can actually sue you and win. For fucking breaking the law.[/QUOTE] Only in more liberal states. Most states have relatively strong Castle Doctrine laws letting you immediately escalate to heavy or outright lethal force, and some even have very strong stand your ground laws meaning you don't have any requirement to retreat regardless of location. Hell, in Texas you can actively pursue people in limited circumstances. Even CT, which is one of the most paranoid states in the country about guns defines it as whatever forced deemed necessary to terminate or prevent an unlawful entry by force. It's faaaaarr less of an issue than in Europe. I honestly can't imagine being required to flee from my own fucking home. Remember, you can get sued for anything. Winning a lawsuit is another matter entirely.
[QUOTE=Cyke Lon bee;51285313]If Pizza Hut were a Fascist military then you would might be right. But Pizza Hutt is a business and know whats bad for business? Paying out liability lawsuits when your employees try to play Rambo and get hurt or killed is not good for business. Paying out lawsuits to the criminals who sue Pizza Hutt is also not good for business. If they thought that their employees were expendable, they'd be telling them to swarm any robbers or thieves in the store.[/QUOTE] How does considering your employees expendable in any way imply thinking they should attack someone? Any incident involving conflict costs money. They want to avoid conflict. If a few employees get killed or seriously hurt in the process, it's still cheaper. That's literally it. Money.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;51285419]how is it better to have killed a man than a huge chain taking a small loss since when is money more important than life?????[/QUOTE] Who's to say they wouldn't kill him during the robbery? Plenty of armed robbers have killed their victims because they wanted to, or because they weren't happy with the amount of money.
[QUOTE=TheTalon;51285547]Who's to say they wouldn't kill him during the robbery? Plenty of armed robbers have killed their victims because they wanted to, or because they weren't happy with the amount of money.[/QUOTE] Or because they're on drugs. Or because they're in a gang. Or because they don't want a witness. Or because they're psychotic. Or because the robbers are just as scared and jumpy as the victim. Or a dozen other reasons. When it comes to a criminal with a gun, why would you [b]ever[/b] expect the best? They've already shown they don't care about the laws, they don't care about endangering other people, they're pointing a gun at you right now, that is a threat that directly implies they can and will kill you if they feel like it. It's literally luck whether you survive or not.
I bet the company worry what robbers will do in the future. Robbers might go with the mentality of: "Kill all and grab the money". Let the robber grab the money: Insurance pays for damages and the police will most likely track him down. Potential loss: A few days leave. Fight back/become an obstetrical: Future robbers will find an "easier" way through your employees. Potential loss: The life/mentality of your employees, hostage situations, your reputation and work accidents.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;51285591]Or because they're on drugs. Or because they're in a gang. Or because they don't want a witness. Or because they're psychotic. Or because the robbers are just as scared and jumpy as the victim. Or a dozen other reasons. When it comes to a criminal with a gun, why would you [b]ever[/b] expect the best? They've already shown they don't care about the laws, they don't care about endangering other people, they're pointing a gun at you right now, that is a threat that directly implies they can and will kill you if they feel like it. It's literally luck whether you survive or not.[/QUOTE] General Rule of Guns are to never point a gun at someone unless you intend to use it. So chances are they will use their gun.
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