16-year-old girl accused of killing a taxi driver, beaten and burned alive by lynch mob in Rio Bravo
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[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;47788453]That doesn't mean you should go on witch hunts for criminals and torture and kill the first person that is accused.[/QUOTE]
Even if the accused is found innocent due to a complete lack of evidence the victim(s) assume that the accused got away with it instead of concluding that the wrong guy was accused. Never understood that.
Being accused is awful and I'm glad we live in a society where institutions at least try to maintain innocent until proven guilty.
[QUOTE=gokiyono;47788549]It says that she was accused, doesn't that mean she could also have been innocent?[/QUOTE]
This is what is getting at me, what if she just happened to be there when the others did it?
[QUOTE=Nikota;47788251]It sort of is in Central America. You can say that high and mighty when you're in a system that actual functions, but that isn't the case for a lot of that region and the choice is to go take matters in your own hands, or go through a system that's massively corrupt and operates on a system of bribery and extortion. This is the region where the lines between cartel and police are blurry. It's not like the Western world where you can just call 911 and expect adequate service.[/QUOTE]
Still doesn't mean light someone on fire, especially if you don't truly know whether they are guilty or not.
Reminds me of that video that is on youtube (not sure if it still is) of a woman accused of being a witch being beaten to death by a mob in Brazil.
Also I just watched the video and I really wish I didn't now. When she got set on fire it was really really painful to watch as she helplessly flung her limbs all over the place in an attempt to put out the fire.
[QUOTE=Quark:;47786978]one of my biggest all time fears, i even have nightmares about it, is being completely surrounded by strangers and having them injure and then kill me. just like in the video. like having people all group up on me and kill me makes me so fucking terrified just from the concept of being completely helpless to save myself and knowing nobody in the crowd has any sympathy.[/QUOTE]
I got into a situation like that when I was 15.
About 15 to 20 people surrounded me, punched me in the face, threw me to the ground and hit me while on the ground. I even heard some people saying that they want to kill me. My 2 friends that were with me were so frightened that they laughed and watched me getting beaten up. I'll never forget this and everytime I'm surrounded by a large group I kinda freak out and just wanna go home. It showed me that people don't care about someones life when they think they're in the right (which they weren't btw.). I can never trust someone again and I got so gritty and alone now. I know exactly how that girl must've felt. I normally don't cry about news but this story made me tear up.
[QUOTE=loopoo;47787403]Doesn't even matter if she's guilty or not. No matter how reprehensible a crime you commit, no one fucking deserves to die this way. Imagine how horrible it must have been?[/QUOTE]
Uhm, I think the death of an innocent person is a bit more tragic than the death of a person who killed someone. Honestly I think you're kinda weird if you don't. He didn't say this was the best possible outcome, because yeah, no one deserves to die this way.
But if we go by your logic, I suppose this would apply even if it was Osama bin Laden getting killed.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47792515]Uhm, I think the death of an innocent person is a bit more tragic than the death of a person who killed someone. Honestly I think you're kinda weird if you don't. He didn't say this was the best possible outcome, because yeah, no one deserves to die this way.
But if we go by your logic, I suppose this would apply even if it was Osama bin Laden getting killed.[/QUOTE]
she was beatened and then burned alive and nobody knew whether or not she actually did it
Osama was shot in the face and everyone knew what he did
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47792515]Uhm, I think the death of an innocent person is a bit more tragic than the death of a person who killed someone. Honestly I think you're kinda weird if you don't. He didn't say this was the best possible outcome, because yeah, no one deserves to die this way.
But if we go by your logic, I suppose this would apply even if it was Osama bin Laden getting killed.[/QUOTE]
How do you know that the 16 year old killed someone? Please explain how you know this.
"The mob that killed her said she did it" is the answer.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47792515]Uhm, I think the death of an innocent person is a bit more tragic than the death of a person who killed someone. Honestly I think you're kinda weird if you don't. He didn't say this was the best possible outcome, because yeah, no one deserves to die this way.
But if we go by your logic, I suppose this would apply even if it was Osama bin Laden getting killed.[/QUOTE]
There's a clear difference between beating someone senseless and then setting them on fire, and Wasting somebody who would of been captured alive if he wasn't armed and shooting back.
Do not watch the video of this if you've got a weak stomach, it's extremely fucked up and cruel to watch.
[editline]25th May 2015[/editline]
Most 16 year old girls do not go out committing random murders. I would guess she was likely being sexually assaulted by the man she supposedly killed.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;47793263]Most 16 year old girls do not go out committing random murders. I would guess she was likely being sexually assaulted by the man she supposedly killed.[/QUOTE]
that's a possibility, but now we'll probably never know
[QUOTE=Explosions;47792658]How do you know that the 16 year old killed someone? Please explain how you know this.
"The mob that killed her said she did it" is the answer.[/QUOTE]
I didn't say she did it, and I'm staunchly against the death penalty for anything. Loopoo said no one deserves this (totally ignoring that Warship didn't say she deserved it, just that it was preferable to her being innocent), and it doesn't matter whether she's innocent or not.
Let's make a thought example - you're forced to choose between killing an innocent man or one guilty of mass murder. If you do nothing, both of them will die. You now have two options:
1. A coin toss
2. Choosing one of them
By loopoo's logic (it doesn't matter whether she was guilty or not), the coin toss is the obvious answer. For anyone with half a heart, you'd do number 2 and choose the guilty man.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47793313]I didn't say she did it, and I'm staunchly against the death penalty for anything. Loopoo said no one deserves this (totally ignoring that Warship didn't say she deserved it, just that it was preferable to her being innocent), and it doesn't matter whether she's innocent or not.
Let's make a thought example - you're forced to choose between killing an innocent man or one guilty of mass murder. If you do nothing, both of them will die. You now have two options:
1. A coin toss
2. Choosing one of them
By loopoo's logic (it doesn't matter whether she was guilty or not), the coin toss is the obvious answer. For anyone with half a heart, you'd do number 2 and choose the guilty man.[/QUOTE]
how about nobody dies
also she was never found guilty of anything. these people acted out on revenge and suspicion alone.
[QUOTE=The Aussie;47793263]Do not watch the video of this if you've got a weak stomach, it's extremely fucked up and cruel to watch.
[editline]25th May 2015[/editline]
Most 16 year old girls do not go out committing random murders. I would guess she was likely being sexually assaulted by the man she supposedly killed.[/QUOTE]
It's said that she was made to commit the crime by a local gang after said taxi driver refused to pay them. I believe she did it but not because she wanted to but because if she didn't the gang would have killed her as well. All in all this girl was not in a good position and what happened to her was horrible. And yeah the fire is not for the faint of heart, she ended up living through that for a lot longer than I expected.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;47793345]how about nobody dies
also she was never found guilty of anything. these people acted out on revenge and suspicion alone.[/QUOTE]
When did I ever wish for anyone to die? We're simply talking about reality here. Warship said it was (slightly) preferable if she had been quilty, not that it wouldn't have been much better if nobody had died. It's very easy to find my posts dumb if you decide to not comprehend half of what's going on.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47793313]I didn't say she did it, and I'm staunchly against the death penalty for anything. Loopoo said no one deserves this (totally ignoring that Warship didn't say she deserved it, just that it was preferable to her being innocent), and it doesn't matter whether she's innocent or not.
Let's make a thought example - you're forced to choose between killing an innocent man or one guilty of mass murder. If you do nothing, both of them will die. You now have two options:
1. A coin toss
2. Choosing one of them
By loopoo's logic (it doesn't matter whether she was guilty or not), the coin toss is the obvious answer. For anyone with half a heart, you'd do number 2 and choose the guilty man.[/QUOTE]
One person isn't "mass murder" and yes, I do think that makes a difference.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47793618]When did I ever wish for anyone to die? We're simply talking about reality here. Warship said it was (slightly) preferable if she had been quilty, not that it wouldn't have been much better if nobody had died. It's very easy to find my posts dumb if you decide to not comprehend half of what's going on.[/QUOTE]
Alright I'm kinda lost now. The way you worded what you said made it sound like you thought someone HAD to have died, and I said nobody has to die. And yeah, it would be better if nobody died. Way, way better. Guilty or not.
[QUOTE=FetusFondler;47793777]One person isn't "mass murder" and yes, I do think that makes a difference.[/QUOTE]
She also wasn't a man, but y'know it was also called a "thought example" so I don't maybe it wasn't specifically about this case but a general example? Anyway, so now the choise is just between a murderer and an innocent man, what do you choose then (totally ignoring the fact that loopoo's logic doesn't even allow for different grades of horrific deeds, as shown by the "No matter how reprehensible a crime you commit")? I think it's a bit dumb though, you don't think there's a big difference between a murderer and an innocent person (at least not enough to make a difference between who you'd kill), but there's apparently a huge jump between a murderer and a mass murderer. Kinda doesn't make sense?
[editline]24th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Blazedol;47793830]Alright I'm kinda lost now. The way you worded what you said made it sound like you thought someone HAD to have died, and I said nobody has to die. And yeah, it would be better if nobody died. Way, way better. Guilty or not.[/QUOTE]
Well, someone had to die because someone [I]did[/I] die. We can't change that. If you look at Warship's post, he's just saying it'd be preferable if she was guilty, compared to her being innocent:
[QUOTE=Warship;47786763]As fucked up as it sounds, I at least hope she was guilty...[/QUOTE]
If you can't change the fact that someone died, most people will prefer (as my thought example showed) that "someone" wasn't innocent.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47793924]Well, someone had to die because someone [I]did[/I] die. We can't change that. If you look at Warship's post, he's just saying it'd be preferable if she was guilty, compared to her being innocent:
If you can't change the fact that someone died, most people will prefer (as my thought example showed) that "someone" wasn't innocent.[/QUOTE]
I can understand that, but she still didn't have to die. The fact that she did die doesn't change that, since she died for no justifiable reason.
I can also understand why people would prefer it that way, but I still think that's a dumb way to think. It doesn't matter whether or not she's guilty. She died brutally and for a dumb reason.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47793924]I think it's a bit dumb though, you don't think there's a big difference between a murderer and an innocent person (at least not enough to make a difference between who you'd kill), but there's apparently a huge jump between a murderer and a mass murderer. Kinda doesn't make sense?[/QUOTE]
I dunno. It's a bit iffy. Might just be me but someone killing someone else, in my view, doesn't automatically and completely strip them of their humanity. It would depend on the circumstances, I suppose, I would have to know the specifics.
It's a lot harder to still have that sentiment when it's someone who willingly killed dozens of people.
I think what makes it worse is that we will never know if she really did kill that one guy. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. Right place or not, because the mob was THIS willing to kill because they THINK she killed someone makes this full of scrutiny. Mobs are not the way to go to carry out justice, because the real killer MIGHT still be out there.
[QUOTE=Karmah;47786477]Guilty or not, a blood thirsty mob is frightening - they can do a lot of damage all under the assumption that their motive is actually right[/QUOTE]
Last year a woman was killed by a mob just because she looked like a woman in a facial composite.
Mob mentality is one of the worst things to see.
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