• Swat team throw stun grenade into toddler’s crib during drug bust
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[QUOTE=Cone;44952832]tbh i don't think the system is necessarily the problem as it is a willingness to put up with the potentially lethal mistakes and abuses cops can commit, combined with a generally apologist attitude towards lethally incompetent and/or downright malignant officers and policies[/QUOTE] People in the US are complacent and pathetic, however, this is also the fault of the institution in control of blowing your babies faces off with stun grenades. So in this situation I think victim blaming is incorrect.
I'm kinda wondering, what exactly is so broken about the police? Is it the system itself (I.E Corrupt police, inefficient system etc), or just the whole mentality towards law enforcement, and government control in general?
[QUOTE=cdr248;44952852]Do you honestly think that's an option for them?[/QUOTE] Quitting your job is always an option
[QUOTE=cdr248;44952852]Do you honestly think that's an option for them?[/QUOTE] does that make their actions acceptable? the economic situation in the states is deplorable and there are very little social programs to fall back on, so people should just take shitty evil work and be happy they aren't starving to death?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44952867]does that make their actions acceptable? the economic situation in the states is deplorable and there are very little social programs to fall back on, so people should just take shitty evil work and be happy they aren't starving to death?[/QUOTE] Or maybe starvation is frightening enough for some people that they can't afford to easily leave their jobs? Look at it from that side, too. No matter how motivated some people might be, starvation isn't something that can be swept aside so easily.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;44951954]guilty until proven innocent. I'm tired of the argument that not all cops are bad. All cops are bad, whether they know it or not. All cops work for a completely corrupt entity. No respek.[/QUOTE] Wow nice if you to point out that me dad and me mates are bad even though you've never met them just because they're cops. You opened my eyes, mate. Thanks a fucking million.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;44952876]Or maybe starvation is frightening enough for some people that they can't afford to easily leave their jobs? Look at it from that side, too. No matter how motivated some people might be, starvation isn't something that can be swept aside so easily.[/QUOTE] I guess the difference is they most likely won't starve, but it'll be a dramatic decrease in the quality of life, just to do the right thing. People assume there are a virtually infinite number of people waiting to take those jobs, but that's is mostly wrong. Not anybody can break into a home and burn a baby, or shoot somebody's dog. Realistically if nobody wants to do it, then it won't get done.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;44952876]Or maybe starvation is frightening enough for some people that they can't afford to easily leave their jobs? Look at it from that side, too. No matter how motivated some people might be, starvation isn't something that can be swept aside so easily.[/QUOTE] If you can't do the right thing in the face of adversity you are a coward by definition. And someone with enough character to make that kind of decision you won't ever starve in this country
By that logic, I guess that because parts of the U.S. government are corrupt, every single government worker is corrupt and we should just dismantle the government. I'm sorry, but do you really not see the point of law enforcement? I mean, really, yes they are corrupt, startlingly so in some cases as with many government agencies, but do you seriously not see [I]ANY[/I] good/purpose to it? Because while the war on drugs is stupid, police respond to and arrest people for a lot of other things. Bad things. Thinking that all police are corrupt/bad because the war on drugs is dumb and a few departments are corrupt is a really, really ignorant point of view. And yes, I've lived in the U.S. my whole life. My friends consist of more than a few drug users, and I also know a few (2) police. They're decent people. My local department isn't corrupt. Making blanket statements like yours is just wrong.
[QUOTE=cdr248;44952852]Do you honestly think that's an option for them?[/QUOTE] Not showing up to work at a job that puts armed explosives into close proximity with sleeping babies is [B]always[/B] an option unless your family is being held captive as leverage.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;44952644]The officers in the OP had a warrant and everything. It was a legal arrest, but something went wrong and a baby was hurt. For, most likely, a weed sale. Is the country better off for this legal arrest? Is the country ever better off for a pothead being put in jail? It's legal most of the time.[/QUOTE] This is a problem for [U]law makers[/U], not law enforcers. [QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44952902]I guess the difference is they most likely won't starve, but it'll be a dramatic decrease in the quality of life, just to do the right thing. [/QUOTE] Going homeless is the "right thing to do" huh? I think they'd rather be "wrong" then. I think most people would, generally people like having a place to live.
You caught me dead in my tracks. I'm a gun blazing, rights violating, fast driving, son of a bitch that only sees the world in black and white. I hope you never call 911.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;44952925]If you can't do the right thing in the face of adversity you are a coward by definition. And someone with enough character to make that kind of decision you won't ever starve in this country[/QUOTE] I guess you would know. I'm sure you're doing all you can by showing up to Occupy rallies and smoking pot. It's all you can do I suppose. Keep up the hard work Perfumly! You're an inspiration to all of us!
Oh man, this is the funniest thread I've seen in a while.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44952958] Going homeless is the "right thing to do" huh? I think they'd rather be "wrong" then. I think most people would, generally people like having a place to live.[/QUOTE] being on welfare pays more than a minimum wage job in a lot of places.
Are all of you incapable of reading what Perfumly said? I'll spell it out for you: [QUOTE=Perfumly]All cops work for a completely corrupt entity.[/QUOTE] I.E. [B]the government[/B]. Stop nitpicking and actually READ and you'll understand what he's saying. His point may be biased and stupid in your eyes, but it makes you stupid too for not actually understanding what he's trying to convey. Police enforce the rules created by the state and federal system, much of which are unnecessary and overblown by a corrupt punitive system that lumps pot dealers with rapists and murders. It's like none of you can read at all.
Everyone hates cops until they need them.
This thread makes American cops sound like homicidal maniacs compared to Finnish cops.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;44953006]Everyone hates cops until they need them.[/QUOTE] I have a lot of respect for officers when I meet them/have to deal with them I don't have a shit ton of respect for where some of their orders come from
[QUOTE=Aetna;44953005]Are all of you incapable of reading what Perfumly said? I'll spell it out for you: I.E. [B]the government[/B]. Stop nitpicking and actually READ and you'll understand what he's saying. His point may be biased and stupid in your eyes, but it makes you stupid too for not actually understanding what he's trying to convey. Police enforce the rules created by the state and federal system, much of which are unnecessary and overblown by a corrupt punitive system that lumps pot dealers with rapists and murders. It's like none of you can read at all.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]I'm tired of the argument that not all cops are bad. All cops are bad, whether they know it or not.[/QUOTE] Yeah, before that, he said this, claiming that all cops are bad regardless.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;44952479]Lol there's no point in arguing with kids on Facepunch.[/QUOTE] You got that thing right at least. Argue with people that matter and have proper education on the subject.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44953014]Yeah, before that, he said this, claiming that all cops are bad regardless.[/QUOTE] ....really? It's called inferring. Cops are bad because they represent a corrupt legal system, they're not "bad" in the sense that they're bad people with bad intentions, most have good intentions. Why is this so hard to understand?
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;44952958]Going homeless is the "right thing to do" huh? I think they'd rather be "wrong" then. I think most people would, generally people like having a place to live.[/QUOTE] Don't even try and pretend that signing on as a SWAT officer is a binary between killing babies and being homeless. The team had a choice in its method of entry. The team had a choice in its method of arrest. The team had a choice in its time of day and procedures. The team had a choice in career. The department had a choice in how they would handle the suspect. The department had a choice in whether or not they would handle the suspect. The state officials had a choice in how they would fund and support drug law, and federal policy makers had a choice in beginning the war on drugs in the first place. At every level, there has been an immense moral failure; at no level of command did someone decide to take a career hit to do the right thing. Nobody is forcing anyone to invade the homes of Americans; they are offering them a wage to do it. The officer is a cunt, the chief is a cunt, the state officials are cunts, the congressmen are cunts and they are all guilty.
[QUOTE=Aetna;44953028]....really? It's called inferring. Cops are bad because they represent a corrupt legal system, they're not "bad" in the sense that they're bad people with bad intentions, most have good intentions. Why is this so hard to understand?[/QUOTE] Thank you.
[QUOTE=Aetna;44953028]....really? It's called inferring. Cops are bad because they represent a corrupt legal system, they're not "bad" in the sense that they're bad people with bad intentions, most have good intentions. Why is this so hard to understand?[/QUOTE] So if a cop helps a robbery victim get his stuff back, he's bad because he works for a corrupt system?
[QUOTE=Sector 7;44953030]Don't even try and pretend that signing on as a SWAT officer is a binary between killing babies and being homeless. [/QUOTE]Yeah man, dontcha just hate when people try and arbitrarily simply things into moral binaries?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44953039]So if a cop helps a robbery victim get his stuff back, he's bad because he works for a corrupt system?[/QUOTE] Way to try and shit on what could be a good discussion. How does that even compare?
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;44952987]being on welfare pays more than a minimum wage job in a lot of places.[/QUOTE] Yeah, except getting by on minimum wage is pretty tough. Especially if they have a family, or someone to take care of. Being a police officer pays way better than welfare.
[QUOTE=Aetna;44953063]Way to try and shit on what could be a good discussion. How does that even compare?[/QUOTE] I'm not making a comparison. Say the system they work for is corrupt because the ones making the orders are corrupt, don't claim that all cops are "bad" because they work for it, it's stupid. Why do the cops have to be the ones with the spotlight and not the system and the ones pulling the strings?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44953039]So if a cop helps a robbery victim get his stuff back, he's bad because he works for a corrupt system?[/QUOTE] If a KGB officer kills an innocent person is he still a good guy because he gives spare change to a homeless dude?
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