• Swat team throw stun grenade into toddler’s crib during drug bust
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[QUOTE=proch;44953932]You'd probably be the first to cry for police help with your pants full of shit if something happened to you.[/QUOTE] Um no I have huge muscles and lots of guns I don't need cops to protect me or my assets. Most they could do is show up for a home invasion when it's already too late. But good assumption mate!!
[QUOTE=Sally;44953993]Do you know what the purpose of flashbangs are? Including what scenarios they are used in?[/QUOTE] When you're barging into someones house with a warrant for posssibly having drugs and guns just throw a flashbang, nothing could go wrong right? Yes I understand the look first thing was slightly dumb on my part but obviously they did no fucking research or they wouldn't be barging in and fucking up a toddlers life.
clearly there are bad cops, but it would be a lot more unsafe if there weren't any cops at all
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;44952147] But now [B]everyone[/B] is living in fear of a door-kicking, dog-shooting, and baby-maiming they don't deserve because of an administrative mistake by someone downtown.[/QUOTE] Not me. [QUOTE=elixwhitetail;44952147]Grady County SWAT, are you real men, or are you cowards with kevlar and semi-automatics?[/QUOTE] They're SWAT.
I thought they had megaphones to go like "THIS IS THE POLICE, COME OUT WITH YOUR ARMS IN THE AIR" or something and if that fails that's when you kick the door down and flashbang the place. Well I dont know, but usually revealing your presence will prevent any bad things from happening in case the guy happens to be innocent, police busting in in the middle of the night has lead to the homeowner getting out of bed with his gun in his hand thinking there's burgulars in the house and they get shot to death by the SWAT team thinking he was going for them.
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44953998]yeah, he should have know the exact place of the crib and then if the baby was there or not, what if the baby was in another division of the house, they should also check if they had visits sleeping over, god, these cops are so inconsiderate[/QUOTE] well to be fair if you're planning to break into somewhere with a SWAT team and guns and flashbangs and shit then yeah you probably should have found that shit out before you busted in and possibly killed a nineteen month old child [editline]30th May[/editline] and it's not just hindsight here, people always justify an officer shooting an unarmed guy by saying "oh he just had to assume that he had a [gun/knife/anything that looks like one of those two] to avoid risking his life and there was no better way it could have happened." well if the answer to "we don't know" is to shoot a guy, them going in with very little knowledge about who was actually in the house doesn't bode well for police procedure
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;44954069]I thought they had megaphones to go like "THIS IS THE POLICE, COME OUT WITH YOUR ARMS IN THE AIR" or something and if that fails that's when you kick the door down and flashbang the place. Well I dont know, but usually revealing your presence will prevent any bad things from happening in case the guy happens to be innocent, police busting in in the middle of the night has lead to the homeowner getting out of bed with his gun in his hand thinking there's burgulars in the house and they get shot[/QUOTE] Nah man just throw flashgbangs around like candy, who cares about consequences you got a warrant you don't need to think before you do anything.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;44952097]Absolutely. I have no respect for police officers. As humans, yes, I do respect them. Most of them are unaware that they're a part of a terrible maniacal organization. However, I have absolutely no respect whatsoever for the occupation or uniform.[/QUOTE] I can imagine you're only saying this because you or someone you know has been arrested for some reason.
[QUOTE=YourStalker;44954175]I can imagine you're only saying this because you or someone you know has been arrested for some reason.[/QUOTE] No I actually specified the contrary. Read my posts.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;44953481]Lol your level of comprehension of my thoughts is hilariously low. I'm not going to try to explain bit to you anymore, but your posts don't address my argument. Please try to talk to me when you can actually read and understand an idea.[/QUOTE] Please put your argument together in some semi-coherent form so that we "lesser beings" may fully comprehend it then.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;44954013]When you're barging into someones house with a warrant for posssibly having drugs and guns just throw a flashbang, nothing could go wrong right? [/QUOTE] Actually yes that's exactly what happens most of the time, like 99%. Would you prefer if cops just broke in guns blazing or tried to walk around the house bludgeoning people in order to subdue them ? Stun grenades have their risks, just like every other less-than-lethal method, is it the fault of the cops too when someone dies of heart attack after being tasered ?
[QUOTE=Kyle902;44954194]Please put your argument together in some semi-coherent form so that we "lesser beings" may fully comprehend it then.[/QUOTE] I have, and so have several people in the thread. Our current police force and legislative system is broken. When I say there are no good cops, what I mean is that they work for a system that no longer has the people as an interest or priority. There are good people working as cops who are oblivious to this system, there are bad people working as cops who are oblivious to this system, and there are bad people working as cops who know exactly what's going on. The police in this country need to be reformed, people should not fear the police. People should not be sentenced to life in prison for getting caught up with the wrong people and selling drugs to try to make it in a poverty-stricken inner-city environment. All I'm saying is that the police do more harm than good now, and it's largely due to the war on drugs, which is an inherently racist act if you actually do any real research and reading on the topic. Good people who are officers should be protesting this kind of stuff, rather than attempting to justify it.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;44953742]people need to just stop replying without context[/QUOTE] Honestly you should probably stop posting in this thread altogether. We understand what you're [i]trying[/i] to say, but you're just plain wrong mate. It's like saying that just because the school system is terrible and a few teachers were dickheads to you that all teachers are useless and shouldn't teach. [QUOTE=Perfumly;44953757]It probably could have been indicated by the crib[/QUOTE] I imagine the grenade was ready to be thrown and they just poked their head in and threw it out of habit/training. Not really taking into account what was there. I'm sure after the grenade left his hand he probably had realized what was about to happen. Or he's just a ruthless monster and didn't give a shit. That's possible, but much more unlikely since even a sociopath would understand the implications of doing something like that in front of a crowd.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;44951954]guilty until proven innocent. I'm tired of the argument that not all cops are bad. All cops are bad, whether they know it or not. All cops work for a completely corrupt entity. No respek.[/QUOTE] I'm so glad you're no longer a mod.
[QUOTE=TreasoN.avi;44954270]Honestly you should probably stop posting in this thread altogether. We understand what you're [i]trying[/i] to say, but you're just plain wrong mate. It's like saying that just because the school system is terrible and a few teachers were dickheads to you that all teachers are useless and shouldn't teach. [/QUOTE] No you don't understand what I'm saying at all if that's your response. Sorry. I don't know where you're getting the idea that I think all officers should just up and quit, but I do think they should either protest or quit when they are directly asked to commit injustices.
They should have done better research and probably didn't need a swat team for this, but checking the room before throwing a flash bang sort of defeats the purpose.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;44954421]They should have done better research and probably didn't need a swat team for this, but checking the room before throwing a flash bang sort of defeats the purpose.[/QUOTE] Exactly, it's not like these guys threw it into the crib on purpose. When clearing a building you throw flashbangs into rooms because you do not know what is in there, so rather than peeking your head in and possibly get it shot off, you throw a flashbang in ther to stun any possible assailants and then go in and clear the room. It's just a severe misfortune that it landed directly in the baby's crib. It's easy to say "the family were no threat" but thats the thing about hindsight, its always better. For all the swat guys new, there could have been armed people in the room just waiting to start shooting.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;44953317]Okay, I have to clear something up, though. [URL]http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/toddler-critically-burned-during-swat-raid/nf9SJ/?GxbuEu[/URL] indicates that it was an alleged [I]methamphetamine[/I] rather than "drugs" which could be pot.[/QUOTE] Still no more of a justification for the way they did what they did really...
[QUOTE=JustExtreme;44954514]Still no more of a justification for the way they did what they did really...[/QUOTE] And what did they do? They assumed there were dangerous assailants in the room, so without looking they opened the door and threw in a flashbang. It's what every special team like that is trained to do.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;44954224]I have, and so have several people in the thread. Our current police force and legislative system is broken. When I say there are no good cops, what I mean is that they work for a system that no longer has the people as an interest or priority. There are good people working as cops who are oblivious to this system, there are bad people working as cops who are oblivious to this system, and there are bad people working as cops who know exactly what's going on. The police in this country need to be reformed, people should not fear the police. People should not be sentenced to life in prison for getting caught up with the wrong people and selling drugs to try to make it in a poverty-stricken inner-city environment. All I'm saying is that the police do more harm than good now, and it's largely due to the war on drugs, which is an inherently racist act if you actually do any real research and reading on the topic. Good people who are officers should be protesting this kind of stuff, rather than attempting to justify it.[/QUOTE] You keep referring to the "system", but you actually are referring to multiple independent organizations. The sheriff's department in one county has little to no connection to a city police department a state over. The policies and laws governing their actions and conduct are likely to be significantly different. They will have received their training from different facilities and will answer to only the members of their jurisdiction. If you would like to make blanket statements about federal police, then feel free, as they are indeed something resembling a singular-ish entity. Federal enforcement officers scare the shit out of me. They often have that "true believer" zeal that you would only expect to find in religious extremists.
i feel like police in america actively seek confrontation which always ends up escalating the situation [editline]31st May 2014[/editline] and i understand what perfumly is saying and i agree with him completely. you can be a good person that still works for a corrupt or 'evil' organization which is what the majority of cops are. most people are good people in my opinion but most people are also lazy and complacent and uncaring past their next paycheck and their immediate welfare and the welfare of those immediately surrounding them. this allows alot of good people to do or support through action or inaction alot of terrible things. I.E. the entire war on drugs [editline]31st May 2014[/editline] also i'm laughing at the irony of 'coderedresponse' or whatever he changed his name to sarcastically saying 'i'm a gun blazin blah blah blah' when he even has the title 'fight till death shoot till empty' and i hate this attitude of 'people hate police until they need them' is it not possible for me to criticize a corrupt entity without 'hating' the people who serve it? and am i now not allowed to call police when a drunk goes on a rampage trying to attack me and my friend because i acknowledge that alot of the justice system is inherently flawed? is it possible for apologists for an overbearing and vicious organization to form actual arguments?
[QUOTE=Perfumly;44954288]I don't know where you're getting the idea that I think all officers should just up and quit, but I do think they should either protest or quit when they are directly asked to commit injustices.[/QUOTE] It's not like they break into Joe Shmoe's house for fun. They have reasons to believe they're an armed and dangerous assailant, and you don't want to lose law enforcers in combat. But people can fuck up, such as raiding an innocent's house or accidentally throwing a stun grenade into a crib. You also don't hear the stories of successful police raids, where they stopped pounds of cocaine or guns from being smuggled into the country, because they're not as noteworthy as a baby getting hurt in a raid.
it's called an accident get a fuckin grip
[QUOTE=Arc Nova;44954821]it's called an accident get a fuckin grip[/QUOTE] sorry arc dover gotta have a 5 page argument on whether or not police are humans or puppets to an evil and corrupt entity.
[QUOTE]his mother Alecia, from Atlanta, said: ‘It landed in his playpen and exploded on his pillow right in his face. We go up to see him and his whole face is ripped open. He has a big cut on his chest.’[/QUOTE] What a Horrific Incident. [editline]31st May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Arc Nova;44954821]it's called an accident get a fuckin grip[/QUOTE] Oh Fuck Off.
I don't even know what the hell's going on with the opinions in this thread, but here's my two cents on the matter: Some cops are good, and some are assholes. This is true for any job out there, there'll always be good people who do the job well alongside asshats who defy orders/laws and screw people over. The ratio always varies, but not all people in a field are good or bad, it's a mix. You can't lump everyone onto one side of the line and expect a fair portrayal. As for the people running things, I agree that a lot of the system is broken. When you have anyone who's even a toe out of line getting equally curb-stomped, regardless of offense by heavily-armed, highly-invasive government forces, that's not democracy. That's fucking fascism. The whole system works to encourage indiscriminate violence and needless imprisonment, especially the for-profit prisons and massive budgets police agencies get. In spite of the broken system, however, you really shouldn't treat all cops like they're scumbags. The good cops can't control what shitty orders and regulations their higher-ups give them, they're just trying to do their job of protecting and serving the people. When they signed up for police duty and went through the training, they were almost certainly working toward being part of a force of good and peace. They weren't waking up one day and saying, "I want to be a cop so I can be an asshole to everyone, and get paid for it too". The shitty ones are always gonna be shitty anyways, and they're not comprised of every single cop in existence, so it's unfair to act like all cops are puppy-kickers on that basis as well. Sure, some people will take the power of being a cop and abuse it to hell and back, but those people would do the same with any powerful job. So basically, don't be a dick to all cops because some of them suck. The good ones have to enforce shitty rules and follow garbage orders, while the bad ones are just run-of-the-mill assholes with more power than usual. Judge on a case-by-case basis. You wouldn't assume all doctors are asswipes because one was kinda snobby or did a bad job, would you?
[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;44954868]What a Horrific Incident. [editline]31st May 2014[/editline] Oh Fuck Off.[/QUOTE] Except it was an accident.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;44954938]Except it was an accident.[/QUOTE] "get a fuckin grip" Not the right way to react to something like this. What the hell is wrong with "It was just a Accident.", did you really have to exclaim that. Put yourself in the mother's situation then think before you say shit like that. "Oh Get over it", Fuck the hell off. A Child is Dead, people have a right to grieve.
[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;44955003]"get a fuckin grip" Not the right way to react to something like this. What the hell is wrong with "It was just a Accident.", did you really have to exclaim that. Put yourself in the mother's situation then think before you say shit like that. "Oh Get over it", Fuck the hell off. A Child is Dead, people have a right to grieve.[/QUOTE] The child is in a "medically-induced coma"
[QUOTE=KennyAwsum;44955003]"get a fuckin grip" Not the right way to react to something like this. What the hell is wrong with "It was just a Accident.", did you really have to exclaim that. Put yourself in the mother's situation then think before you say shit like that. "Oh Get over it", Fuck the hell off. A Child is Dead, people have a right to grieve.[/QUOTE] A child is not dead. Read. Also I've seen the pic of the kid. His face is not ripped open. He has bad bruising and cuts on his face but it's not "ripped open" Just hope for the best, that he'll pull through and he'll be out of the coma soon.
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