Swat team throw stun grenade into toddler’s crib during drug bust
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[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;44954847]sorry arc dover gotta have a 5 page argument on whether or not police are humans or puppets to an evil and corrupt entity.[/QUOTE]
because they can't be both right?
I want to say to me this seems more an american problem then any other country really,
There seem to be more problems with authority in the states then any other country.
Also
anytime a thread is about officers its completely full blow retarded.
Filled with one sided yelling fits of people who have no idea how law enforcement runs based on one single fact that" Officer X did bad thing".
Jesus FP.
[B][U]On topic:[/U][/B] How was the officer to know there was a child in there and that his flashbang was going to go straight into the child's crib?
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;44954938]Except it was an accident.[/QUOTE]
an accident that could have been avoided
[editline]31st May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kumari24;44955086]I want to say to me this seems more an american problem then any other country really,
There seem to be more problems with authority in the states then any other real country.
anytime a thread is about officers its completely full blow retarded.
Filled with one sided yelling fits of people who have no idea how law enforcement runs based on one single fact that" Officer X did bad thing".
Jesus FP.
[B][U]On topic:[/U][/B] How was the officer to know there was a child in there and that his flashbang was going to go straight into the child's crib?[/QUOTE]
if they were able to find out he was selling drugs and stashing weapons in that house surely they could find out there was a child in there too? and then maybe they could consider that going on a gunghu 3am raid in a house with children in it isn't the best idea and like someone suggested earlier maybe stake the guy out and arrest him when he's not surrounded by family? like i said, it seems to me that american police seek confrontation
Police logic:
Man possibly sells weed, gotta invade that house flashbang and everything.
Messed up teen spends weeks talking about how he's gonna kill everyone, must be a joke.
[QUOTE=Kumari24;44955086]I want to say to me this seems more an american problem then any other country really,
There seem to be more problems with authority in the states then any other country.
Also anytime a thread is about officers its completely full blow retarded.
Filled with one sided yelling fits of people who have no idea how law enforcement runs based on one single fact that" Officer X did bad thing". [/QUOTE]
This perception may have something to do with the lack of coverage in other countries.
[editline]30th May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;44955119]Police logic:
Man possibly sells weed, gotta invade that house flashbang and everything.
Messed up teen spends weeks talking about how he's gonna kill everyone, must be a joke.[/QUOTE]
"I'm going to cherrypick two completely unrelated incidents which occurred under two completely independent jurisdictions and pretend that they show some sort of contradiction in [I]the system[/I]"
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44955091]an accident that could have been avoided
[editline]31st May 2014[/editline]
if they were able to find out he was selling drugs and stashing weapons in that house surely they could find out there was a child in there too? and then maybe they could consider that going on a gunghu 3am raid in a house with children in it isn't the best idea and like someone suggested earlier maybe stake the guy out and arrest him when he's not surrounded by family? like i said, it seems to me that american police seek confrontation[/QUOTE]
And if the flashbang had landed somewhere else in the room, this'd be pretty much a non item of news. Lord forbid police don't have X ray vision.
If this had happened during an armed standoff or hostage situation, or even a cartel or organised crime drug bust, Facepunch wouldn't be bitching about it, but because it's drugs (what kind of drugs are entirely unspecified btw) Facepunch turns into white knights with the battlecry of "muh weed".
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;44955237]And if the flashbang had landed somewhere else in the room, this'd be pretty much a non item of news. Lord forbid police don't have X ray vision.
If this had happened during an armed standoff or hostage situation, or even a cartel or organised crime drug bust, Facepunch wouldn't be bitching about it, but because it's drugs (what kind of drugs are entirely unspecified btw) Facepunch turns into white knights with the battlecry of "muh weed".[/QUOTE]
what kind of non-argument is that? well duh, if police never fucked up then noone would ever bitch about it. and no i think i would still be fairly unimpressed if a child was fucked up during a armed standoff. and i wonder if you see the irony in calling one side white knights when there is very obviously a lot of people 'white knighting' police whenever they fuck up and an innocent pays the price? 'muh just an accident'
The other problem other than the fact that it's drug raid is that [B]the guy wasn't even home[/B]. SWAT sure is special.
[QUOTE=waxrock;44955356]The other problem other than the fact that it's drug raid is that [B]the guy wasn't even home[/B]. SWAT sure is special.[/QUOTE]
yes you are right the swat team should be psychic and know when anyone is potentially home
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;44955366]yes you are right the swat team should be psychic and know when anyone is potentially home[/QUOTE]
Yes, because there are no other realistic ways to determine if a suspect is at home.
[QUOTE=waxrock;44955378]Yes, because there are no other realistic ways to determine if a suspect is at home.[/QUOTE]
Examples?
Realistic ones I hope.
[QUOTE=EnlightenDead;44955366]yes you are right the swat team should be psychic and know when anyone is potentially home[/QUOTE]
or they could like, watch his house or something?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44955386]or they could like, watch his house or something?[/QUOTE]
dude, that's realistically impossible.
might as well assume the guy's in there and just flashbang the place
oh wait
[QUOTE=waxrock;44955356]The other problem other than the fact that it's drug raid is that [B]the guy wasn't even home[/B]. SWAT sure is special.[/QUOTE]
Where did you read that the guy wasn't there? News says he's been arrested.
[QUOTE]You sure are special.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44955466]Where did you read that the guy wasn't there? News says he's been arrested.[/QUOTE]
[quote=http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/toddler-critically-injured-police-raid-ga-home-article-1.1811117]But when the team raided his Georgia home, the Phonesavanh family was inside — not Thometheva.
Read more: [URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/toddler-critically-injured-police-raid-ga-home-article-1.1811117#ixzz33FUHI3wY[/URL]
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Police arrested the suspect at another home on felony drug charges. Bounkham "Bou" Phonesavanh, the toddler's father, said the family has nothing to do with the crime
Read more: [URL]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/toddler-critically-injured-police-raid-ga-home-article-1.1811117#ixzz33FUN4Q8M[/URL][/quote]
Why people go to such lengths to defend and justify the actions of a clearly inept and broken institution is beyond me. Is this really the kind of police force you guys want?
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44955466]Where did you read that the guy wasn't there? News says he's been arrested.
You sure are special.
[/QUOTE]
Yeah you can fuck off with your "witty" quote.
[QUOTE=waxrock;44955519]You sure are special.
Yeah you can fuck off with your "witty" quote.[/QUOTE]
sorry mom
[QUOTE=Gwoodman;44955522]sorry mom[/QUOTE]
don't let it happen again
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44955091]an accident that could have been avoided
[editline]31st May 2014[/editline]
if they were able to find out he was selling drugs and stashing weapons in that house surely they could find out there was a child in there too?and then maybe they could consider that going on a gunghu 3am raid in a house with children in it isn't the best idea and like someone suggested earlier maybe stake the guy out and arrest him when he's not surrounded by family? like i said, it seems to me that american police seek confrontation[/QUOTE]
My point was I'm sure the officer didn't intend on throwing a some what explosive decoy device into a child'd vicinity in the initial plan,
like "FUCK YEAH IMMA COMPLETELY FUCK UP A CHILD'S LIFE TODAY, POTENTIALLY KILL HIM WITH THIS FLASH!".
I'm sure if he isn't reprimanded he will do it himself at the bottom of a bottle.
He isn't the demon incarnate, it was a bad call by the higher ups which ALL came down on him.
man this thread brought out all the fuckin weirdos
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;44955517]Why people go to such lengths to defend and justify the actions of a clearly inept and broken institution is beyond me. Is this really the kind of police force you guys want?[/QUOTE]
Because a flashbang, [B]accidentally[/B] landing in a crib when it was thrown in the room, is a common symptom of an inept and broken institution.
Many of you guys don't seem to understand breach and clear procedures. Throwing a flashbang is a precautionary method used to stun any possible hostiles in the room to prevent officer and civilian casualties. You throw it in blind so you don't get your head blown off because you don't know what the fuck is in there. It's just simple misfortune that 1. There was a baby in the room and 2. The flashbang accidentally landed right in its crib.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;44952097]Absolutely. I have no respect for police officers.
As humans, yes, I do respect them. Most of them are unaware that they're a part of a terrible maniacal organization. However, I have absolutely no respect whatsoever for the occupation or uniform.[/QUOTE]
k I'm going to steal your tv now
so who you gonna call to stop that
[QUOTE=Perfumly;44952097]Absolutely. I have no respect for police officers.
As humans, yes, I do respect them. Most of them are unaware that they're a part of a terrible maniacal organization. However, I have absolutely no respect whatsoever for the occupation or uniform.[/QUOTE]
Let me know how that mentality goes when you call for service.
Now that's fucked up.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;44955705]Because a flashbang, [B]accidentally[/B] landing in a crib when it was thrown in the room, is a common symptom of an inept and broken institution.
Many of you guys don't seem to understand breach and clear procedures. Throwing a flashbang is a precautionary method used to stun any possible hostiles in the room to prevent officer and civilian casualties. You throw it in blind so you don't get your head blown off because you don't know what the fuck is in there. It's just simple misfortune that 1. There was a baby in the room and 2. The flashbang accidentally landed right in its crib.[/QUOTE]
many of you guys don't seem to understand that if this kind of situation is a standard procedure than maybe standard procedures should change. maybe they shouldn't be rushing into blind 3am raids on houses with children inside
[editline]31st May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kumari24;44955601]My point was I'm sure the officer didn't intend on throwing a some what explosive decoy device into a child'd vicinity in the initial plan,
like "FUCK YEAH IMMA COMPLETELY FUCK UP A CHILD'S LIFE TODAY, POTENTIALLY KILL HIM WITH THIS FLASH!".
I'm sure if he isn't reprimanded he will do it himself at the bottom of a bottle.
He isn't the demon incarnate, it was a bad call by the higher ups which ALL came down on him.[/QUOTE]
none of my posts have really targeted the individual officer who threw the flashbang, and neither have any of the other posts making arguments that i agree with.
What is this, Iraq? Why are they kicking doors and throwing flashbangs at 3 am to serve a drug warrant?
[QUOTE=gk99;44955770]k I'm going to steal your tv now
so who you gonna call to stop that[/QUOTE]
so basically you're not allowed to criticize people that provide a service? are we not allowed to criticize any health services since we have to call them up when we're sick? are we not allowed to criticize fireservices since we call them up when our shits on fire?
[editline]31st May 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;44955952]What is this, Iraq? Why are they kicking doors and throwing flashbangs at 3 am to serve a drug warrant?[/QUOTE]
yeah i mean, it's not like i'm against arrested meth dealers who stockpile weapons, what i'm against is the overly confrontational and gungho method of arrest that's being used. that seems to fuck up again and again to the detriment of innocent people. it's like the whole, car chases causing unnecessary accidents
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;44955962]so basically you're not allowed to criticize people that provide a service? are we not allowed to criticize any health services since we have to call them up when we're sick? are we not allowed to criticize fireservices since we call them up when our shits on fire?
[editline]31st May 2014[/editline]
yeah i mean, it's not like i'm against arrested meth dealers who stockpile weapons, what i'm against is the overly confrontational and gungho method of arrest that's being used. that seems to fuck up again and again to the detriment of innocent people. it's like the whole, car chases causing unnecessary accidents[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean to make it out like you where the saying that really, just more so to extend what I meant.
No offence meant.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;44955952]What is this, Iraq? Why are they kicking doors and throwing flashbangs at 3 am to serve a drug warrant?[/QUOTE]
Because the chances of the people you're raiding to be asleep is high, slowing their reaction time and ability to attack you, with the flashbangs enabling you to take any hostiles down either lethally or non lethally.
What do you want them to do, fucking knock so they can get themselves shot? OR go in guns blazing shooting anythign that moves or makes a sound?
[quote]many of you guys don't seem to understand that if this kind of situation is a standard procedure than maybe standard procedures should change. maybe they shouldn't be rushing into blind 3am raids on houses with children inside[/quote]
Accidents happen, albeit rarely, standard procedure is standard procedure because it [B]works[/B].
When you are doing a raid or a bust (for whatever reason) and you [B]know[/B] there are weapons on the premesis and the chance you'll face armed opposition is possible, you absoloutely have to assume the worst and go in acting and expecting armed confrontation. Flashbangs are part of that. If there are weapons, or potential weaposn involved and you [B]don't[/B] go in following the procedure, and it turns out there is a armed confrontation that happens, you're going to get yourself and your team mates and potentially innocent civilians injured or killed.
It's a tragic accident, but, operationally, the guys with boots on the ground going in did nothing wrong.
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