• Messages from Turkish intelligence found in IS by Iraqi Military
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[QUOTE=The Aussie;49385977]Even though i don't trust Russia Today as a source, i fully believe and have for a while that Turkey is supporting ISIS by either turning a blind eye, or possibly more than that, such as logistic support as RT accuses. As far as i'm concerned, Turkey is a piece of absolute shit. Their "bombing campaign" against ISIS has been 90%+ targeting Kurdish fighters in Syria.[/QUOTE] Like it's pretty obvious when they are found with American vehicles that were shipped to Turkey One example is that plumber's truck.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49387226]You're blind to think everything is black and white in the world. Some Kurds [I]are[/I] terrorists. Most are [I]not[/I] terrorists. They are not a homogeneous group, just like every other people, nation or culture on this planet.[/QUOTE] It's easier and more effective to generalise for the sake of arguments rather than adding a "But not every x" clause to everything i say. I'm aware there's been some terrorist attacks committed by Kurdish extremist separatist groups in Turkey. I'm aware that not every Turkish person is a bigot too. Everything i said isn't exactly wrong either. I don't really get why you've decided to attack this particular point of my post, but okay.
The only reason why Turkey is even in NATO is for the strategic location in the Black Sea + a place to put missiles close to the Soviets. As a Canadian I feel uncomfortable knowing that we are allied with the Ottoman Republic
I think the fact that certain people tied to the Turkish government is supporting ISIS may be true. But claiming that their whole government is supporting ISIS is pretty far fetched. And furthermore this is RT after all. The same RT that claimed earlier this year that the submarine Sweden was looking for was a small boat and not an actual submarine. The clever thing is that they didn't make things up, instead they picked quotes from one place, and picked events from other places, then pieced together a fairy tale still with legit sources. [url]https://www.rt.com/news/249109-sweden-submarine-hunt-workboat/[/url] (Spoilers: It wasn't a workboat, our military found fresh submarine tracks on the seabed.) So yeah, who knows what the fuck the Iraqi military actually found. It'd be nice to get a statement straight from the government of Iraq.
While this seems definitely plausible, RT has proven to be as prolific bullshitters as the Huffington Post so I'm going to have to wait for the Iraqis to contact somebody else about this. [QUOTE=650leetARIMI;49386084]Those Kurdish fighters are also terrorist like many other groups in Syria and Iraq and some of them are with Isis[/QUOTE]Wait, what? Source on thi-*[quote][img]https://facepunch.com/fp/flags/tr.png[/img][/quote] Oh, that explains everything. See, here's why nobody likes Turks and nobody will likely ever get along with you guys. (in general) You're incapable of actually admitting that Turks have done terrible things and instead focus 100% of your hatred on "the enemy" which coincidentally happens to be every single ethnic group you guys tried to stamp out. While I don't have a history of ethnic tension to play off of here, I do have nationalism and imperialism in my nation's past and I have [I]no problem[/I] with admitting the fucked up things we've done. That's actually a good way to get a point across, by the way, if you admit your failings it does actually strengthen your argument because it shows you're willing to be rational. You? Nah, you went the other way. "KURDS ARE TERRORISTS THEY DESERVE BOMB! GO THERE AND SEE THEY CUT YOUR HEAD OFF!!" Oh yeah, sure. You betcha. Yep. Meanwhile back in reality the Kurdish fighters in Syria are [I]mostly[/I] with the YPG, which I'll admit has some distant ties to the PKK, but "distant ties" is not the same as "they are identical." I've talked a lot about the PKK on here and why they absolutely are a terrorist organization, but I've also discussed a lot about the YPG and the Iraqi KRG who absolutely have [U]nothing[/U] to do with the PKK and oppose their leftist ideas. Are you seriously fucking trying to assert that the KRG that's always been friendly to Americans and Westerners in general will cut off everyone's heads? I feel sorry for every Turk out there who has to deal with the negative bullshit you and your ilk stir up against them. I really do.
So the Kurdish claims of Turkey collaborating with ISIS to attack Kurdish fighters is proven to be possibly true. My opinion is further solidified: Fuck turkey, and long live the Kurdish revolution.
[QUOTE=Cypher_09;49386837]We all know what Turkey is doing.... It's not relevant to the CNN report either. Fuck the Taliban right now too, they hate ISIS and it's lmao that CNN calls out Russia for supporting the Taliban. Hypocrite of the fucking year award goes to? Russia is doing us all a favour and saying to us "look, Turkey is fucking you over behind your back and you can't see it" N: You must present us proof R: *Presents satellite imaging of oil smuggling routes* N: Actually, you're Russian so we don't trust you R: *Presents wiretapped evidence* N: I already told you we hate communism! Now go away we can't hear you LALALALALA It's Turkey who shot Russians down, do we really hate Russia so much that we would stand with Turkey during this and allow Erdogan to continue supporting the slaughter of our people?[/QUOTE] It's not like they haven't published blatantly falsified shit before. Remember the proof that Ukraine shot down the passenger plane? That shit was hilariously bad. The point isn't that we can't believe Turkey does this, I'd bet that they do honestly, it's just that Russian state media is just way too close to this to be trusted.
The leader of Jaysh al-islam, a prominent 'moderate' in Damascus, was killed in a Russian air strike. Another sunni Islamist proxy dead. Suddenly US air strikes look pathetic and ineffective. Nice Christmas present. [url]http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0U80S420151225[/url]
Turkey will pay for everything they have done. They are the ones that gave way for ISIS to enter Syria. They were also the first nation to do a massive genocide which they still deny and try to cover it just like what they are doing in Syria and Iraq. [editline]26th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=soccerskyman;49392642]So the Kurdish claims of Turkey collaborating with ISIS to attack Kurdish fighters is proven to be possibly true. My opinion is further solidified: Fuck turkey, and long live the Kurdish revolution.[/QUOTE] The time is near for turkey to pay what they have been doing for 100s of years. Soon all Syrians, Kurds, Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Cypriots and iraqis will come together and take back all they lost and make turkey pay.
[QUOTE=vrej;49394081]The time is near for turkey to pay what they have been doing for 100s of years. Soon all Syrians, Kurds, Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Cypriots and iraqis will come together and take back all they lost and make turkey pay.[/QUOTE] They'd have a hell of a time taking on Turkey without help. And nobody would want to pay the price that would come with helping.
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;49392642]So the Kurdish claims of Turkey collaborating with ISIS to attack Kurdish fighters is proven to be possibly true. My opinion is further solidified: Fuck turkey, and long live the Kurdish revolution.[/QUOTE] We dont want commies in our country death to the kurdish revolution. [QUOTE=vrej;49394081]Turkey will pay for everything they have done. They are the ones that gave way for ISIS to enter Syria. They were also the first nation to do a massive genocide which they still deny and try to cover it just like what they are doing in Syria and Iraq. [editline]26th December 2015[/editline] The time is near for turkey to pay what they have been doing for 100s of years. Soon all Syrians, Kurds, Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Cypriots and iraqis will come together and take back all they lost and make turkey pay.[/QUOTE] I cant wait for that.:goodjob:
[QUOTE=download;49385370]While Turkey are scumbags, I don't trust anything said by RT about a NATO nation, let alone anything uttered by RT about Turkey.[/QUOTE] Is RT that bad..? (Not directly at you.) Also the submarine story was weird to read.
[QUOTE=vrej;49394081]Turkey will pay for everything they have done. They are the ones that gave way for ISIS to enter Syria. They were also the first nation to do a massive genocide which they still deny and try to cover it just like what they are doing in Syria and Iraq. [editline]26th December 2015[/editline] The time is near for turkey to pay what they have been doing for 100s of years. Soon all Syrians, Kurds, Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, Cypriots and iraqis will come together and take back all they lost and make turkey pay.[/QUOTE] You are really delusional if you believe anything that you have written. First nation to do a massive genocide? :goodjob: educate yo self [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history[/URL] [editline]26th December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Bat-shit;49394772]Is RT that bad..? (Not directly at you.) Also the submarine story was weird to read.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/C0RKPEi.png[/IMG] They are as biased as they come.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;49394993]You are really delusional if you believe anything that you have written. First nation to do a massive genocide? :goodjob: educate yo self [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history[/URL] [editline]26th December 2015[/editline] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/C0RKPEi.png[/IMG] They are as biased as they come.[/QUOTE] I am talking about millions of deaths. Plus I am talking about 1800 to 2000 not before that.
[QUOTE=vrej;49395110]I am talking about millions of deaths. Plus I am talking about 1800 to 2000 not before that.[/QUOTE] Regardless, their descendants don't deserve to die. They might be dicks, but more violence is exactly opposite of what the region needs. Leave the crimes of the past in the past. Focus on the now.
What bothers me when someone says "we need to go to war with X" or " Y country will pay" is that it usually paints a picture that somehow the entire population of the country is responsible for the actions of governments and institutions. That's a scary thought.
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[QUOTE=StrawberryClock;49398479]What bothers me when someone says "we need to go to war with X" or " Y country will pay" is that it usually paints a picture that somehow the entire population of the country is responsible for the actions of governments and institutions. That's a scary thought.[/QUOTE] Somehow whole population/nation is responsible. Usually you hear Canada doing X, and X is bad, and you don't do anything about it, you are as guilty as one who caused X. I mean, whole nation is 100x bigger than government itself and it has power to do the right thing, but it doesn't *wink wink*.
[QUOTE=Fourier;49398624]Somehow whole population/nation is responsible. Usually you hear Canada doing X, and X is bad, and you don't do anything about it, you are as guilty as one who caused X. I mean, whole nation is 100x bigger than government itself and it has power to do the right thing, but it doesn't *wink wink*.[/QUOTE] Sorry, but I'm gonna have to call Poe's law on this one. I know, I know.
[QUOTE=vrej;49394081]Turkey will pay for everything they have done. They are the ones that gave way for ISIS to enter Syria. They were also the first nation to do a massive genocide which they still deny and try to cover it just like what they are doing in Syria and Iraq.[/QUOTE] They really aren't but hopefully we don't see a genocide of the Turks.
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