• Law Graduate found Guilty of Falsely Accusing Former Boyfriend of Rape: Feminist Organization claims
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[QUOTE=Katska;45059112]Well, it's not what you think, really. It's just that the post did mention the fact that they were bullied, and the fact that you missed that kind of makes it seem like you didn't read it. It's just times like these I kinda wish we had Bad Reading back.[/QUOTE] You're literally taking word of mouth over word of mouth instead of doing what Innerfire advocated and looking it up. He was specifically countering that point; Niel said they were bullied, Innerfire essentially countered that with 'actually they weren't really,' then you rated him dumb without looking it up based entirely on someone else's post. What make Niel's post more of a trustworthy source than Innerfire's?
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45059133]the implication is that women are somehow responsible for rape since apparently the only way to prevent it is to 'teach women to defend themselves.' have u ever considered maybe teaching men... to not rape? like is that not the most obvious solution?[/QUOTE] but no lol there will always be rapists and murderers so there's 0 reason to try to decrease that number *drool slowly leaks from corner of mouth*
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45059133]the implication is that women are somehow responsible for rape since apparently the only way to prevent it is to 'teach women to defend themselves.' have u ever considered maybe teaching men... to not rape? like is that not the most obvious solution?[/QUOTE] Teaching someone not to rape is like teaching criminals not to commit crime. I can't even tell if you're serious. Teaching rapists not to rape is illogical. Rapist no raping? This isn't Dora.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45059133]the implication is that women are somehow responsible for rape since apparently the only way to prevent it is to 'teach women to defend themselves.' have u ever considered maybe teaching men... to not rape? like is that not the most obvious solution?[/QUOTE] Self-defense classes couldn't hurt, though. It's never the victims fault obviously, but if you're ever attacked, they can go a long way.
[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45058813]She was a figurehead for the group and an "inspiration" to rape victims that rape wasn't the end Turns out she was making a completely false rape claim, which now puts the group under fire for funding and supporting women who make false rape claims. They inadvertently gave MRAs "proof" that false rape claims happen and that feminists don't care.[/QUOTE] But we already knew things like this can happen. That's like saying women are the paragon of excellence and ignoring all the problems they might have.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45059173]Teaching someone not to rape is like teaching criminals not to commit crime. I can't even tell if you're serious. Teaching rapists not to rape is illogical. Rapist no raping? This isn't Dora.[/QUOTE] see above
[QUOTE=Lijitsu;45059152]You're literally taking word of mouth over word of mouth instead of doing what Innerfire advocated and looking it up. He was specifically countering that point; Niel said they were bullied, Innerfire essentially countered that with 'actually they weren't really,' then you rated him dumb without looking it up based entirely on someone else's post. What make Niel's post more of a trustworthy source than Innerfire's?[/QUOTE] Guys, I'm sorry. I thought he was being sarcastic in his original post. Could you see how I could make that mistake? What I thought he was implying was that niel12_5D did not mention anything about bullying, rather than making the claim that there was, in fact, no bullying involved. In regards to that, it's something I will certainly look into.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45059133]the implication is that women are somehow responsible for rape since apparently the only way to prevent it is to 'teach women to defend themselves.' have u ever considered maybe teaching men... to not rape? like is that not the most obvious solution?[/QUOTE] Who are the men who don't know that rape isn't okay? We don't teach people that killing other people isn't okay either, and still everyone knows that it isn't okay. Everybody knows that robbing someones home is wrong, and there are still people who do it. Teaching men about not raping other people won't change anything. Also, why focusing on men? Women rape too!
"Teaching men not to rape" pisses me off to no end. It's not like anyone [B]ever[/B] tells anyone it is a good thing. I guess some people wont be happy until all men get sent off on anti-rape courses eh.
[QUOTE=innerfire34;45059194]see above[/QUOTE] Can you elaborate on "decreasing the number"? Mainly, how do you think to achieve that? I'm curious as I personally have no idea of a method that could prove effective. In case of crime, reducing poverty helps. What about in case of rape?
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;45056417]How about teaching people that it's bad and they shouldn't rape people? Much in the same way we teach kids not to steal things.[/QUOTE] Most rapes happen when both parties are not in control of themselves from drugs, alcohol, ect, I'm not saying all rapes are like that, there's some screwed up guys out there but most rapes are from situations when both parties shouldn't have been near each other
[QUOTE=orcywoo6;45059215]"Teaching men not to rape" pisses me off to no end. It's not like anyone [B]ever[/B] tells anyone it is a good thing. I guess some people wont be happy until all men get sent off on anti-rape courses eh.[/QUOTE] It is basicly misandry. It is generalizing all men, saying they are all rapists who have to be told that rape is not okay, and it implies it will actually decrease the number of rapes. It is also dehumanizing men, making them all look like animals who can't control their urges and who can only think about sex all the time.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45059133]the implication is that women are somehow responsible for rape since apparently the only way to prevent it is to 'teach women to defend themselves.' have u ever considered maybe teaching men... to not rape? like is that not the most obvious solution?[/QUOTE] Are you fishing for responses or something? Sure seems like you're trying your damnedest but alright. How about we compare this to assault since it seems to be one of the occurrences/crimes most similar to this, minus the sexual trauma. There are courses and classes devoted to teaching one how to prevent assault, as well as fight back against it if it actually happens to one, should we just disband those and teach everyone not to assault? Or just teach one sex not to assault and if any others get assaulted just go " welp the teaching isn't working, head on home good job team we'll regroup next week "
[QUOTE=Impact1986;45059264]It is basicly misandry. It is generalizing all men, saying they are all rapists who have to be told that rape is not okay, and it implies it will actually decrease the number of rapes. It is also dehumanizing men, making them all look like animals who can't control their urges and who can only think about sex all the time.[/QUOTE] Exactly. If anything all I ever see is pure malicious behaviour and ideology when it comes to things like this. Its as sick as the things we are being associated with. All it is is hatred.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45059173]Teaching someone not to rape is like teaching criminals not to commit crime. I can't even tell if you're serious. Teaching rapists not to rape is illogical. Rapist no raping? This isn't Dora.[/QUOTE] what exactly are you imagining the typical rapist is like? some sort of seedy character that preys on city streets at nights? i thought it was fairly common knowledge at this point that a large majority of rapists personally know their victims. rape happens when men think they have a right to sex, not just when some criminal attacks a woman on an empty street at night. 'teaching men not to rape' isn't just telling people to stop being rapists, it's teaching the basics of consent and eliminating the (still very, very present) rape culture with which we're indoctrinated. you can tell me that that sounds ridiculous or that rape culture doesn't exist or something, but that just makes you part of the ongoing problem. [editline]10th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr.95;45059270]Are you fishing for responses or something? Sure seems like you're trying your damnedest but alright. How about we compare this to assault since it seems to be one of the occurrences/crimes most similar to this, minus the sexual trauma. There are courses and classes devoted to teaching one how to prevent assault, as well as fight back against it if it actually happens to one, should we just disband those and teach everyone not to assault? Or just teach one sex not to assault and if any others get assaulted just go " welp the teaching isn't working, head one home good job team we'll regroup next week "[/QUOTE] i NEVER SAID that we shouldn't offer self-defense courses to women. my problem is the assumption that teaching women self-defense is the ONLY solution, which is terrifyingly misogynistic and victim-blaming. [editline]10th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Impact1986;45059264]It is basicly misandry. It is generalizing all men, saying they are all rapists who have to be told that rape is not okay, and it implies it will actually decrease the number of rapes. It is also dehumanizing men, making them all look like animals who can't control their urges and who can only think about sex all the time.[/QUOTE] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38977466/BIGOTRY/fool.png[/img] even chrome's spellcheck knows misandry isn't real, lol
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45059284] i NEVER SAID that we shouldn't offer self-defense courses to women. my problem is the assumption that teaching women self-defense is the ONLY solution, which is terrifyingly misogynistic and victim-blaming.[/QUOTE] It's not the only solution but blaming an entire sex definitely isn't a valid option either. Also it doesn't really seem like victim blaming if you're trying to help them find ways to avoid it. If I get shot in a shady part of town and someone says " maybe you should wear some protection in those parts, or try to avoid them " would that be victim blaming? If so that's rather daft. [QUOTE=postmanX3;45059284] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38977466/BIGOTRY/fool.png[/img] even chrome's spellcheck knows misandry isn't real, lol[/QUOTE] Wa- I-...it's not even worth it anymore, you're tossing bait out like mad and this shows how serious you are about actual " Progress "
[QUOTE=Impact1986;45059264]It is basicly misandry. It is generalizing all men, saying they are all rapists who have to be told that rape is not okay, and it implies it will actually decrease the number of rapes. It is also dehumanizing men, making them all look like animals who can't control their urges and who can only think about sex all the time.[/QUOTE] isn't that basically what this guy trying to bait me into a duel of the armchair sociologists/psychologists believes? that it's unavoidable based on 'human nature' and because some people are just bad apples or whatever?
[QUOTE=Blazedol;45056481]Uh We pretty much do Like what parent says "RAPE IS GOOD" to their child[/QUOTE] I teach my kids that rape is good because i'm a man and that's totally what men do. All men are pro rape, rape is good.
So what is the sentence for falsely accusing someone of a crime?
There is nothing wrong with teaching people to defend themselves, with all of the retarded arguments that I had, I've never Understood how that encourages victim-blaming (I honestly don't care anymore) [video=youtube;6D8r-wH0dkk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D8r-wH0dkk[/video]
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45059284] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38977466/BIGOTRY/fool.png[/img] even chrome's spellcheck knows misandry isn't real, lol[/QUOTE] Nice link you got there, dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38977466/BIGOTRY/fool.png Really nice, calling me a bigot and a fool. So basicly, you can't hate men, because men are not humans, not even animals, but just objects. Because you can only hate subjects, such as women, but not objects, such as men. You know, at least try to have some good arguments, otherwise you won't have anyone join your side. It is the same problems with feminists, which constantly antagonize men. You will never change anything, if the people won't change their opinion about you or your agenda. It is just gonna fortify the oppositions.
i'm pretty certain that when someone says about teaching dudes not to rape they're primarily talking about informing people on statutory rape, in which case the victim being a black belt in jujitsu isn't gonna change much
Ironically her lies about rape got her buttowned
Well I mean that's what you get for filing a false police report and slandering someone with a false accusation. Of course the radical camp is going to throw a shit fit when it doesn't go the way they wanted it to.
[QUOTE=Oizen;45056391]What do you do to prevent rape then? Im genuinely curious what people think should be done to prevent it. The only thing that comes into my mind, is teach women how to defend themselves from it.[/QUOTE] They need to give more of these things out: [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9ZRkSfy9r0k/UWO0Gu0eZyI/AAAAAAAABTo/lW2hwo9Kzx4/s1600/544701_10151568349660731_329315370_n.jpg[/img] Looks like it could be very effective
[QUOTE=brianosaur;45061236]They need to give more of these things out: [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9ZRkSfy9r0k/UWO0Gu0eZyI/AAAAAAAABTo/lW2hwo9Kzx4/s1600/544701_10151568349660731_329315370_n.jpg[/img] Looks like it could be very effective[/QUOTE] I wonder how uncomfortable it would be to have something larger than a dildo inside you at all times
[QUOTE=Shreddinger;45059550]There is nothing wrong with teaching people to defend themselves, with all of the retarded arguments that I had, I've never Understood how that encourages victim-blaming (I honestly don't care anymore) [video=youtube;6D8r-wH0dkk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6D8r-wH0dkk[/video][/QUOTE] I always felt like self defense was a part of basic survival preparedness, like keeping a few cans of food in your cellar in case of emergency or keeping a first aid kit in your car. Not getting self defense classes on the grounds that "it's victim blaming" is like saying you shouldn't keep rations in your cellar because it's "implying that it's our fault that tornadoes happen." Well, no. It would be great and all to educate more about rape but there will always be people who slip through, you're never going to be able to remove crime 100%. There will always be bad things happening to good people in the same way that there will always be natural disasters and acts of god. Looking to cure the problem at the core is great and I'm 100% behind that but saying that in the mean time women shouldn't be allowed to take the situation into their own hands and kick an asshole's ass because it's "victim blaming" sounds fucking naive to my ears. A woman going out to learn how to fight isn't lessening herself or demeaning herself, she's empowering herself. She's using discipline, self control, and strength to become a better human being. Then again there are people who think I'm paranoid because I lock the doors to my house so whatever.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45062132]Looking to cure the problem at the core is great and I'm 100% behind that but saying that in the mean time women shouldn't be allowed to take the situation into their own hands and kick an asshole's ass because it's "victim blaming" sounds fucking naive to my ears.[/QUOTE] It's victim-blaming when you tell a victim that they should have taken self-defense classes though
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45062146]It's victim-blaming when you tell a victim that they should have taken self-defense classes though[/QUOTE]Good thing that isn't what is being said, then. But you know that already, don't you?
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45062146]It's victim-blaming when you tell a victim that they should have taken self-defense classes though[/QUOTE] He's not saying "Your fault for not taking it". He's saying "we shouldn't [I]discourage[/I] Women from taking the classes". Word twisting, it's bad.
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