• Law Graduate found Guilty of Falsely Accusing Former Boyfriend of Rape: Feminist Organization claims
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[QUOTE=postmanX3;45059284] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38977466/BIGOTRY/fool.png[/img] even chrome's spellcheck knows misandry isn't real, lol[/QUOTE] My phone's spellcheck thinks the word "fuck" isn't real. Doesn't mean your attempts at trolling or whatever aren't fucking dumb.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;45056481]Uh We pretty much do Like what parent says "RAPE IS GOOD" to their child[/QUOTE] lots of people don't know what exactly is and isn't rape. some people think that you're allowed to force your partner to have sex with you. and then there's this: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steubenville_High_School_rape_case[/url]
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45062146]It's victim-blaming when you tell a victim that they should have taken self-defense classes though[/QUOTE] Telling a victim of anything that they should have done something differently to avert or mitigate a tragedy because hindsight is always 20/20 is always an asshole thing to do. This is not mutually exclusive to females and rape. That doesn't mean that such measures are a bad idea to take. It's like if I left my door unlocked and you told me that I should have locked my door when robbers ransack my house. It's not really my fault that some thief decided to choose my house on that day. Thieves should not exist, it's deplorable and destructive behavior that is detrimental to society at large and it stems from greed, misunderstanding, and panic. I would punch you out if you came up to me and said that I shouldn't have just left my door unlocked. It still doesn't change the fact that locking the door (taking preventative measures,) is not a bad idea. It's not telling victims that they should have gotten self-defense classes, or that they shouldn't have left the house that day, or that they shouldn't have gone to that bar, or that they shouldn't have worn that top with that dress, or in my robbery example that I shouldn't have had nice things that someone would have wanted to steal. It's about facing the reality that we all live in a dangerous world and no matter who you are, be you boy or girl, black or white, Christian or Muslim, straight or gay, or anything in-between, that sometimes bad people will be out looking to do bad things to you and that sometimes it's totally random, and anticipating and reacting accordingly to bad things to the best of your abilities. This isn't women shaming or men shaming or Christian shaming or Muslim shaming. It's recognizing reality.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;45062170]Good thing that isn't what is being said, then. But you know that already, don't you?[/QUOTE] yes! i'm just elaborating. (because this is something i've heard in the past) [editline]10th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45062280]Telling a victim of anything that they should have done something differently to avert or mitigate a tragedy because hindsight is always 20/20 is always an asshole thing to do[/QUOTE] that is what i was saying, thank you
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45062298]yes! i'm just elaborating. (because this is something i've heard in the past) [editline]10th June 2014[/editline] that is what i was saying, thank you[/QUOTE] Okay, fair enough. I get where you're coming from.
[QUOTE=Oizen;45056391]What do you do to prevent rape then? Im genuinely curious what people think should be done to prevent it. The only thing that comes into my mind, is teach women how to defend themselves from it.[/QUOTE] Well, first we must recognize this is a complex issue. We can reduce rape, we can't prevent it. There are things like mental illness that contribute to the problem, and until that kind of thing is treatable there's only so much you can do. I think a good place to start is how we raise our kids(US). I can't speak for other countries, but here it's "Have lots of sex with many girls" if you're a boy, "Say no" to sex if you're a girl. That's the basic attitudes we raise our kids to have. If you are a successful athlete in high school, doesn't everyone expect you to be getting laid like crazy(if your're male)? Of course they do. Does anyone expect and congratulate a FEMALE high school athlete for screwing every guy she can get her hands on in school? No. So this paints females as targets or prizes or objects to score with. Boys grow up thinking this is normal and expected of them, girls grow up thinking that's their place in life. This needs to end if reducing rape is a goal.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45059284][img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38977466/BIGOTRY/fool.png[/img] even chrome's spellcheck knows misandry isn't real, lol[/QUOTE] And Chrome's spellcheck knows that there's no way to correctly put "et cetera" outside of etc. Because we all know Chrome's spellcheck is flawless, right?
[QUOTE=brianosaur;45061236]They need to give more of these things out: [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9ZRkSfy9r0k/UWO0Gu0eZyI/AAAAAAAABTo/lW2hwo9Kzx4/s1600/544701_10151568349660731_329315370_n.jpg[/img] Looks like it could be very effective[/QUOTE] Shit those things are fucked up for both the man and the woman actually. There's a reason the only place where they've become even semi common is south america.
[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;45056417]How about teaching people that it's bad and they shouldn't rape people? Much in the same way we teach kids not to steal things.[/QUOTE] if you need to teach someone to not rape they are already a lost cause its fucking common sense.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45059284] [editline]10th June 2014[/editline] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38977466/BIGOTRY/fool.png[/img] even chrome's spellcheck knows misandry isn't real, lol[/QUOTE] Good thing 'shitpost' doesn't show up on mine.
[QUOTE=Wii60;45062954]if you need to teach someone to not rape they are already a lost cause its fucking common sense.[/QUOTE] Didn't a survey find that something like half of all college-aged men will admit to having raped someone as long as the question isn't phrased in a way that mentions rape? (Such as, "have you ever had sex with someone who did not explicitly consent to it")
[QUOTE=Gray Altoid;45062190]My phone's spellcheck thinks the word "fuck" isn't real. Doesn't mean your attempts at trolling or whatever aren't fucking dumb.[/QUOTE] it was a joke :) also, in case it's not clear, i am in fact totally serious in my intentions. and i'm also serious when i say misandry isn't fucking real, because it fucking isn't. men are not persecuted for any bullshit reasons you can formulate, deal with it.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45063359]Didn't a survey find that something like half of all college-aged men will admit to having raped someone as long as the question isn't phrased in a way that mentions rape? (Such as, "have you ever had sex with someone who did not explicitly consent to it")[/QUOTE] Wow, calling that rape is insulting to rape victims. How many read that as "have you ever had seen. Without spoken consent?"?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;45063359]Didn't a survey find that something like half of all college-aged men will admit to having raped someone as long as the question isn't phrased in a way that mentions rape? (Such as, "have you ever had sex with someone who did not explicitly consent to it")[/QUOTE] Explicit consent is a debatable issue though. For example, my girlfriend was just on vacation in Italy for 3 weeks, the minute she got back we basically just took our clothes off and went at it. No explicit consent from either of us. So technically, if I took that quiz, I would probably answer yes, even though I've always at least had implied consent and I've never actually raped someone. When you phrase everything to make everything sound like rape, it just devalues actual rape.
[QUOTE=Appellation;45063436]Wow, calling that rape is insulting to rape victims. How many read that as "have you ever had seen. Without spoken consent?"?[/QUOTE] what exactly do u think rape is? it's non-consensual sex, so sex without explicit consent is rape. again, i think a lot of people in this thread don't understand that rape isn't always (and isn't usually) some random guy attacking and sexually assaulting a random woman. it's usually men assuming a right to a woman's body and coercing victims into unwanted sex. so when people keep saying "it's common sense not to rape!! everyone always knows this!!" you're probably thinking of the attack-in-a-back-alley rape, not the much more common rape that SEEMS more ambiguous (i say 'seems' because it's def. still rape), because our culture fails to properly teach men what does and does not constitute consent. THAT is what needs to be taught, not 'don't randomly attack people' because i agree, most people already realize that.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45063542]what exactly do u think rape is? it's non-consensual sex, so sex without explicit consent is rape.[/QUOTE] You just contradicted yourself. You defined rape as "non-consensual sex" and then specified saying you needed explicit consent. Under US law, implied consent is valid consent.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45056554]Finding a heroic rapist with all of the virtues that heroes generally have who is not from ancient times sure would be something that would outrage alot of people in the mainstream media.[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;1pUXH1Bye88]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pUXH1Bye88[/video] I don't remember any controversy over Bond basically sexually assaulting Pussy Galore, a lesbian, in Goldfinger.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45063542]what exactly do u think rape is? it's non-consensual sex, so sex without explicit consent is rape. again, i think a lot of people in this thread don't understand that rape isn't always (and isn't usually) some random guy attacking and sexually assaulting a random woman. it's usually men assuming a right to a woman's body and coercing victims into unwanted sex. so when people keep saying "it's common sense not to rape!! everyone always knows this!!" you're probably thinking of the attack-in-a-back-alley rape, not the much more common rape that SEEMS more ambiguous (i say 'seems' because it's def. still rape), because our culture fails to properly teach men what does and does not constitute consent. THAT is what needs to be taught, not 'don't randomly attack people' because i agree, most people already realize that.[/QUOTE] You're soooo right, I have no experience whatsoever with rape. What a sound and valid point to bring up. Also, so you think sloppy is a rapist?
[QUOTE=wraithcat;45062880]Shit those things are fucked up for both the man and the woman actually. There's a reason the only place where they've become even semi common is south america.[/QUOTE] according to a snopes article, they weren't even sold or really manufactured in bulk. and besides, the concept is great but it wouldn't work because if somebody's determined enough to rape a woman, they'd probably do something besides vaginal if they saw one of those.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45063542]so when people keep saying "it's common sense not to rape!! everyone always knows this!!" you're probably thinking of the attack-in-a-back-alley rape, not the much more common rape that SEEMS more ambiguous (i say 'seems' because it's def. still rape), because our culture fails to properly teach men what does and does not constitute consent. THAT is what needs to be taught, not 'don't randomly attack people' because i agree, most people already realize that. [/QUOTE] What on earth kind of rape are you talking about? [editline]10th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=milkandcooki;45063741]and besides, the concept is great but it wouldn't work because if somebody's determined enough to rape a woman, they'd probably do something besides vaginal if they saw one of those.[/QUOTE] Wouldn't they just take it out?
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45059284] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38977466/BIGOTRY/fool.png[/img] even chrome's spellcheck knows misandry isn't real, lol[/QUOTE] Thats fine, you can do this [IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/29209413/ShareX/2014-06-11_02-24-59.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45063562]You just contradicted yourself. You defined rape as "non-consensual sex" and then specified saying you needed explicit consent. Under US law, implied consent is valid consent.[/QUOTE] the example you used was your girlfriend coming back from italy and fucking you right away. you're both in a relationship. you probably both talked about missing each other for a while before she got back. i'm assuming both of you were sober, so you both completely consented to that. you both know each other, so even though you never had a conversation that went "do you want to have sex" "yes," you both know that you consented to that. the survey that zeke referred to in his post was probably talking about sex with people who are drunk or high and unable to give a definite, unhindered "YES."
[QUOTE=Impact1986;45059595]Nice link you got there, dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38977466/BIGOTRY/fool.png Really nice, calling me a bigot and a fool. So basicly, you can't hate men, because men are not humans, not even animals, but just objects. Because you can only hate subjects, such as women, but not objects, such as men. You know, at least try to have some good arguments, otherwise you won't have anyone join your side. It is the same problems with feminists, which constantly antagonize men. You will never change anything, if the people won't change their opinion about you or your agenda. It is just gonna fortify the oppositions.[/QUOTE] in a thread that's not even related at all: [QUOTE=Impact1986;45061930]Wouldn't telling these men not to shoot kids in school be more effective than telling kids how to defend themselves? I mean, we also tell men not to rape and it is super effective at making them stop raping people.[/QUOTE] i'm wondering what ticks in your head sometimes. nevermind the fact that you're being utterly ridiculous and 'sarcastic' - it's unhealthy, obsessive and weird to bring this subject up in the manner you do
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;45063562] Under US law, implied consent is valid consent.[/QUOTE] Finding out the truth behind alot of cases of rape is impossible because of stuff like this. They should be checking rape kits more but even that isn't enough to prove whether or not something is consensual. Cases like this one here prove that since a victim could easily lie. [QUOTE=orcywoo6;45059215]"Teaching men not to rape" pisses me off to no end. [/QUOTE] Campaigns like this are just sexist in nature. They imply that only men are rapists when that really isn't the case. "Teach people not to rape, etc"
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45059284] [img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38977466/BIGOTRY/fool.png[/img] even chrome's spellcheck knows misandry isn't real, lol[/QUOTE] think those hormones you're taking are deteriorating your brain matter m8
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;45064293]think those hormones you're taking are deteriorating your brain matter m8[/QUOTE] misandry isn't really that much of a problem compared to other problems - as said a billion times
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45064312]misandry isn't really that much of a problem tho compared to other problems - as said a billion times[/QUOTE] quoting from memory: you are complaining about misandry like someone looking at a puddle during a thunderstorm and saying "damn these puddles are a problem! they're a small problem, but one we can't ignore!" deal with the rain and you'll get rid of the puddles
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45064233]in a thread that's not even related at all: i'm wondering what ticks in your head sometimes. nevermind the fact that you're being utterly ridiculous - it's unhealthy and obsessive to bring this subject up in the manner you do[/QUOTE] And 2 posts later [QUOTE=Impact1986;45062100]Yeah, which would indicate that this was a pretty sarcastic statement by myself.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Impact1986;45064371]And 2 posts later[/QUOTE] read my edit
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45064275]Campaigns like this are just sexist in nature. They imply that only men are rapists when that really isn't the case. "Teach people not to rape, etc"[/QUOTE] i have a question for you and basically anyone who has this "Not all men!!!" mentality like, what are you trying to achieve by pointing this out? literally [I]nobody[/I] in this thread believes, or is implying, that ALL men are rapists. i'm not a rapist, you're not a rapist, and chances are there's like, zero rapists on this site. we all know this, so why are you bringing up "NOT ALL MEN" as if it's some kind of scientific revelation nobody's ever realized before. it's damaging, really, because you're injecting irrelevant bullshit into a conversation that has nothing to do with you. i dunno how victims would feel if you dismissed their situation by going "yeah you got raped... but not all men do that!! remember that!"
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