Law Graduate found Guilty of Falsely Accusing Former Boyfriend of Rape: Feminist Organization claims
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[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45064335]quoting from memory: "you are complaining about misandry like someone looking at a puddle during a thunderstorm and saying "damn these puddles are a problem! they're a small problem, but one we can't ignore! deal with the rain and you'll get rid of the puddles"[/QUOTE]
Well if misandry isn't real, then misogyny isn't real either.
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[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45064401]i have a question for you and basically anyone who has this "Not all men!!!" mentality
like, what are you trying to achieve by pointing this out? literally [I]nobody[/I] in this thread believes, or is implying, that ALL men are rapists. i'm not a rapist, you're not a rapist, and chances are there's like, zero rapists on this site.
we all know this, so why are you bringing up "NOT ALL MEN" as if it's some kind of scientific revelation nobody's ever realized before. it's damaging, really, because you're injecting irrelevant bullshit into a conversation that has nothing to do with you. i dunno how victims would feel if you dismissed their situation by going "yeah you got raped... but not all men do that!! remember that!"[/QUOTE]
Well, why are all men supposed to be taught not to rape then? If only a very small minority of men are rapists?
[QUOTE=Impact1986;45064404]Well if misandry isn't real, then misogyny isn't real either.[/QUOTE]
no one here said that it isn't real. if you dig deep enough to find the most backwards and bizarre lesbian separatist blog, then yeah you've found it. it just isn't nearly as big as an issue compared to other ones, including misogyny, which is a much more prominent cultural issue altogether. your attitude is what makes an problem.
Meanwhile, Men's Rights is trying to find a solution that will benefit both accused and actual victims.
But you Facepunch feminists claim they have no reason to exist.
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45064489]Meanwhile, Men's Rights is trying to find a solution that will benefit both accused and actual victims.
But you Facepunch feminists claim they have no reason to exist.[/QUOTE]
please tell me what mra's have done for me, and please cite this solution.
i've posted this exact same thing a few months ago and people took it as an insult against men
if [I]some women[/I] are afraid of the actions of [I]some men[/I] to the point where they'd generalize [I]all men[/I], then that's a problem. you probably aren't a rapist or a misogynist, but you're almost as bad if you think it's [I]not [/I]your responsibility if you haven't personally contributed this sentiment. like, some chick isn't delusional if she picks up the pace when walking at night if there's a guy walking behind her, nor is she a psycho for carrying around pepper spray.
instead of scrambling to cover your own back after somebody hastily generalizes an enormous demographic (like, 48% of the population?) in casual conversation, why not try to think and figure out why [I]some women[/I] think that way?
boo hoo, some shmuck on tumblr thinks you're a rapist or whatever for being a white male. good thing you don't need to listen to any of those morons, and their influence is so negligible that you don't even need to worry whether or not their opinions will negatively affect you. like, the only reason THE TUMBLR PEOPLE pop up in conversation is because the facepunch MRAs (n-not all facepunch MRAs!) are too myopic to find more/not-terrible examples to back up their posts.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45064496]please tell me what mra's have done for me, and please cite this solution.[/QUOTE]
Are you a rape victim? Or a victim of false rape accusation?
[QUOTE=Impact1986;45064514]Are you a rape victim? Or a victim of false rape accusation?[/QUOTE]
no, but i don't see how an mra would somehow help me on that beyond 'she's part of the martiarchy she can get away with it'
[QUOTE=Impact1986;45064514]Are you a rape victim? Or a victim of false rape accusation?[/QUOTE]
if you're going where i think you're going, you'd better be prepared to slam down some instances where an angry white guy on /r/theredpill has brought a false accuser or a male's rapist to justice.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45064511]i've posted this exact same thing a few months ago and people took it as an insult against men
if [I]some women[/I] are afraid of the actions of [I]some men[/I] to the point where they'd generalize [I]all men[/I], then that's a problem. you probably aren't a rapist or a misogynist, but you're almost as bad if you think it's [I]not [/I]your responsibility if you haven't personally contributed this sentiment. like, some chick isn't delusional if she picks up the pace when walking at night if there's a guy walking behind her, nor is she a psycho for carrying around pepper spray.
instead of scrambling to cover your own back after somebody hastily generalizes an enormous demographic (like, 48% of the population?) in casual conversation, why not try to think and figure out why [I]some women[/I] think that way?
boo hoo, some shmuck on tumblr thinks you're a rapist or whatever for being a white male. good thing you don't need to listen to any of those morons, and their influence is so negligible that you don't even need to worry whether or not their opinions will negatively affect you. like, the only reason THE TUMBLR PEOPLE pop up in conversation is because the facepunch MRAs (n-not all facepunch MRAs!) are too myopic to find more/not-terrible examples to back up their posts.[/QUOTE]
You could say the same about what people think of feminists. All you hear about is a small minority, which certainly puts feminism in a bad light. But instead of thinking why people think that way, feminist either fall back to the no-true-scotsman fallacy or say that people should inform themselves better about feminism.
[QUOTE=Impact1986;45064404]Well, why are all men supposed to be taught not to rape then? If only a very small minority of men are rapists?[/QUOTE]
because not all rape is the movie-like bullshit where some dude ambushes some random chick on the street.
if we're taught what constitutes as rape and the ramifications for doing so early on in school and shit, we'll all be better off. similar-ish example (not much depth to this, don't look too deep), look at what school districts did with smoking over the last few decades. right now, our generation smokes like, waaaay less than our parents did. maybe our next generation will be raised well enough to where they wouldn't even think of having sex with somebody who's not sober.
i mean, it's a big problem if people disagree about basic shit like having sex with a passed out person being rape. some people are delusional to where they'd argue that fucking your wife if she doesn't want to fuck is acceptable because she's [I]yours.[/I]
and please note that i am not singling out you or anyone else in this thread, because i'm pretty sure the majority of FP users are left-leaning and not batshit insane. you've probably never fucked a drunk girl or forced somebody to have sex with you, but it's still something we should be aware of.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45064312]misandry isn't really that much of a problem compared to other problems - as said a billion times[/QUOTE]
Typical SJW nonsense.
Just the other day I was standing behind a lady at the grocery store and while they were checking out her husband forgot to put something on the belt so they had to make another order. She says "Men never pay attention to anything do they" and her husband just shrugged, so powerless was he in the face of the matriarchy. She looked over at me and I faked a smile, the courage to speak out utterly extinguished.
The struggle against misandry is real and you should remember that.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45064496]please tell me what mra's have done for me, and please cite this solution.[/QUOTE]
They'd have achieved more if feminists didn't actually [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO_X4DkwA_Q]bar them from discussion[/url] and [url=http://blogs.metrotimes.com/news-blawg/voice-men-raises-29k-pay-additional-security-following-threats/]shut down their organizations[/url].
I'd imagine the list would look something like this 20 years from now:
You aren't immediately suspected of being a pedophile for showing up at school for your kid's parent-teacher conference.
You don't have to live in fear of losing your job and family simply because someone had a hissyfit and decided to false accuse you of rape.
You can actually pursue legal action as a raped man.
Male genital mutilation banned. (did you know that female genital mutilation has arbitrary "health benefits" as well?)
You can actually pursue feminine activities, such as knitting, cooking, shopping, hugging other men, without having to justify your sexuality or being harassed.
Equal marriage law and equal child custody.
Actually being treated as someone who isn't disposable or expendable. (Women and children first?)
Tell me, what have feminists achieved in the 15th century? Oh I guess they aren't of value then.
[img]http://puu.sh/9o26v/e27c0f37d5.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Impact1986;45064555]You could say the same about what people think of feminists. All you hear about is a small minority, which certainly puts feminism in a bad light. But instead of thinking why people think that way, feminist either fall back to the no-true-scotsman fallacy or say that people should inform themselves better about feminism.[/QUOTE]
i hope you realize that this example only really applies to internet feminists. like, feminism has existed forever, so i don't think a few thousand people on the tumblr have the ability to deface the entire movement.
try going up to somebody who isn't in the know about the internet and saying that all feminists are whiny cunts and see what kind of reaction you get.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45064541]no, but i don't see how an mra would somehow help me on that beyond 'she's part of the martiarchy she can get away with it'[/QUOTE]
On the one hand they try to shed some more light about false rape accusations, on the other hand they form support groups trying to help them. [url]http://www.avoiceformen.com/help-for-the-falsely-accused/[/url]
And there are many other issues that they try to tackle [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights_activism#Issues[/url]
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[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45064639]i hope you realize that this example only really applies to internet feminists. like, feminism has existed forever, so i don't think a few thousand people on the tumblr have the ability to deface the entire movement.
try going up to somebody who isn't in the know about the internet and saying that all feminists are whiny cunts and see what kind of reaction you get.[/QUOTE]
Internet feminists such as FEMEN?
[video=youtube;CqNcJmDxtl0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqNcJmDxtl0[/video]
Internet feminists such as these people trying to silence a lecture by former feminist Warren Farrell?
[video=youtube;iARHCxAMAO0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0[/video]
Internet feminists which disrupt a lecture on double standards?
[video=youtube;9Yg-f7fC0Uw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Yg-f7fC0Uw[/video]
[QUOTE=Impact1986;45064646]On the one hand they try to shed some more light about false rape accusations, on the other hand they form support groups trying to help them. [url]http://www.avoiceformen.com/help-for-the-falsely-accused/[/url]
And there are many other issues that they try to tackle [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_rights_activism#Issues[/url][/QUOTE]
please don't site this website, it's a fucking joke in the same way that TAA and TF are. like i've said before, their points are [I]technically[/I] correct in a basic moral kind of way, like male rape victims mattering, or how gender roles are bad, but the way they articulate them is in a backwards and aggressive way.
i'm getting tired of reposting the same 3 or 4 sentences, so i'm going to come up with a word that describes these kind of people.
i mean like, this is in their mission statement.
[quote]
To debunk the lies and distortions of misandry and feminist governance wherever they occur.
To address the variety of problems faced by men and boys under feminist governance and attempt to ameliorate those problems.
[/quote]
yeah, the same "feminist governance" that restricts womens' bodies and signs in politicans that say shit like rape victims should sit back and enjoy, or how rape happens for a reason, or how a woman's body can shut down if they're raped?????
also a reccomended read they've got on the site is by william farrell, who is a big moron
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Farrell[/url]
read up on his wikipedia page. huge sexist. he's also a shining example of someone with awful, stubborn opinions, like justifying sexism in society because hurr durr men are supposed to and have always had that role! even the titles of his books are gross; you probably don't even need to do any research to come to the conclusion that he's a dumbass.
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and about femen?
i don't agree with how they get their point across, but i understand why they do what they do. if you grew up in a society where politicians and people pussyfoot around important issues and brush you aside like fucking nothing, i'd totally understand a violent backlash.
i mean like, some people are going to want change right the fuck now, while some are okay with waiting years, decades, or even generations for change. both are striving for the same goal, and only history will tell us which works better.
[QUOTE=Impact1986;45064555]or say that people should inform themselves better about feminism.[/QUOTE]
Well, yes, this is generally a good strategy to develop before you start criticizing something. I'd hope people who advocate gun control or debate abortion rights also inform themselves on those topics as well.
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45064624]They'd have achieved more if feminists didn't actually bar them from discussion and shut down their organizations.[/QUOTE]
Source on feminists shutting down organizations and compromising MRA groups?
Also once again the very simple question of what MRA's are doing for men is swiftly turned into a reactionary anti-feminist masturbation post.
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45064624]You aren't immediately suspected of being a pedophile for showing up at school for your kid's parent-teacher conference.[/QUOTE]
What. My dad came to my conferences all the time. What.
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45064624]You don't have to live in fear of losing your job and family simply because someone had a hissyfit and decided to false accuse you of rape.[/QUOTE]
People are going to falsely accuse other people of doing things for as long as people exist. Also if people are being fired after being found innocent by the justice system then that is a problem with employer rights, not mens rights.
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45064624]Male genital mutilation banned. (did you know that female genital mutilation has arbitrary "health benefits" as well?)[/QUOTE]
Organization against circumcision began long before the recent MRA chattering and any attempts by MRA's to "own" it are hilariously sad.
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45064624]Equal marriage law and equal child custody.[/QUOTE]
Explain how marriage law and child custody are unequal.
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45064624]
You can actually pursue legal action as a raped man.
You can actually pursue feminine activities, such as knitting, cooking, shopping, hugging other men, without having to justify your sexuality or being harassed.
Actually being treated as someone who isn't disposable or expendable. (Women and children first?)[/QUOTE]
None of these are problems though that need solving unless you can reference some kind of systemic judicial prejudice against male victims of rape.
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45064624]Tell me, what have feminists achieved in the 15th century? Oh I guess they aren't of value then.[/QUOTE]
Feminism didn't exist in the 15th century.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;45064791]please don't site this website, it's a fucking joke in the same way that TAA and TF are. like i've said before, their points are [I]technically[/I] correct in a basic moral kind of way, like male rape victims mattering, or how gender roles are bad, but the way they articulate them is in a backwards and aggressive way. [/QUOTE]
So I should show him how MRA are trying to help victims of false rape accusations by not showing him the stuff they do? On their website? How should I show him the stuff otherwise?
[QUOTE][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Farrell[/url]
read up on his wikipedia page. huge sexist. he's also a shining example of someone with awful, stubborn opinions, like justifying sexism in society because hurr durr men are supposed to and have always had that role! even the titles of his books are gross; you probably don't even need to do any research to come to the conclusion that he's a dumbass.
[/QUOTE]
Could you give some examples about that? I don't read that on that wikipedia page at all.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;45064826]Source on feminists shutting down organizations and compromising MRA groups? [/quote]
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45064624]They'd have achieved more if feminists didn't actually [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO_X4DkwA_Q]bar them from discussion[/url] and [url=http://blogs.metrotimes.com/news-blawg/voice-men-raises-29k-pay-additional-security-following-threats/]shut down their organizations[/url].[/quote]
[quote]Feminism didn't exist in the 15th century.[/QUOTE]
And neither did Men's Rights 15 years ago.
[quote]Also once again the very simple question of what MRA's are doing for men is swiftly turned into a reactionary anti-feminist masturbation post. [/quote]
Perhaps Men's Rights could be a bit more friendly to feminists.
[img]http://puu.sh/9o2Xk/447cf7a009.png[/img]
Perhaps if feminists solved the problems they've made.
[quote]Explain how marriage law and child custody are unequal. [/quote]
I should not have to.
[quote]None of these are problems though that need solving[/quote]
Feminists, everybody!
"Men can't approach the police when raped? I guess that's your fault for passively supporting the daddy-illuminati by being born!"
[QUOTE=Impact1986;45064404]Well if misandry isn't real, then misogyny isn't real either.[/QUOTE]
misandry may exist on an individual scale. maybe one day you'll run into some crazy woman that hates all men.
but misogyny is everywhere. it's institutional. [B]it's the background radiation of society.[/B]
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[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45065023][img]http://puu.sh/9o2Xk/447cf7a009.png[/img]
Perhaps if feminists solved the problems they've made.
I should not have to.
Feminists, everybody![/QUOTE]
if you're using this "comparison" in any non-ironic way i feel sorry for you
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45065023]And neither did Men's Rights 15 years ago.
Perhaps Men's Rights could be a bit more friendly to feminists.
[IMG]http://puu.sh/9o2Xk/447cf7a009.png[/IMG]
Perhaps if feminists solved the problems they've made.
I should not have to.
Feminists, everybody!
"Men can't approach the police when raped? I guess that's your fault for passively supporting the daddy-illuminati by being born!"[/QUOTE]
dude you made a long series of hedonistic and selfish posts about how women owe you sex. no one here is going to take you seriously, not even for a second.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;45064826]
Source on feminists shutting down organizations and compromising MRA groups?
[/QUOTE]
[video=youtube;FWgslugtDow]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWgslugtDow[/video]
[url]http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140602/METRO/306020106[/url]
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45065055]misandry may exist on an individual scale. maybe one day you'll run into some crazy woman that hates all men.
but misogyny is everywhere. it's institutional. [B]it's the background radiation of society.[/B]
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if you're using this "comparison" in any non-ironic way i feel sorry for you[/QUOTE]
I'd rather feel sorry for the idiot who explicitly stated that male rape isn't a problem.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45065101]dude you made a long series of hedonistic and selfish posts about how women owe you sex. no one here is going to take you seriously, not even for a second.[/QUOTE]
How are you so sure I'm straight? cis scum. Also, I just love how feminists detract from citations and facts with personal insults. #Yesallfeminists
Also, there is nothing selfish or hedonistic about stating that all people should have the same opportunity for dating or sexual interaction.
[QUOTE=Impact1986;45064646]On the one hand they try to shed some more light about false rape accusations, on the other hand they form support groups trying to help them. [url]http://www.avoiceformen.com/help-for-the-falsely-accused/[/url][/QUOTE]
Linking to A Voice For Men as if it were a reputable source: -1000 points
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Impact1986, why is your only argument about feminism posting random videos going "LOOK HERE, LOOK AT THE CRAZY ONES" ? You've done this several times now, with the same videos, even
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[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45065109]How are you so sure I'm straight? cis scum.[/QUOTE]
Nice strawman deflection dude...
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45065109]Also, I just love how feminists detract from citations and facts with personal insults. #Yesallfeminists[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://fi.somethingawful.com/safs/smilies/d/0/cripes.001.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45065023]And neither did Men's Rights 15 years ago.[/QUOTE]
Well people aren't criticizing MRA's for being useless 15 years ago, they are criticizing them for being useless reactionary anti-feminist slacktivists [I]now[/I].
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45065023]Perhaps Men's Rights could be a bit more friendly to feminists.
Perhaps if feminists solved the problems they've made.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Crowdsourcing [I]is[/I] silly. Next point?
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45065023]I should not have to.[/QUOTE]
Actually you really should. You really should have to prove the things you say if you want people to take you seriously.
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45065023]Feminists, everybody![/QUOTE]
I'm not a feminist, I just find Mens Rights slacktivism to be useless. Case in point, I can cook, sew, and hug my bros all I want without being judged. That's actually not true. Women love a guy who can cook and sew. But certainly not harassed.
[QUOTE=lulzlalz;45065023]"Men can't approach the police when raped? I guess that's your fault for passively supporting the daddy-illuminati by being born!"[/QUOTE]
What does this even mean? Men can't approach the police about being raped? Do you have any source of this at all? I've never heard about this.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45065112]
Nice strawman deflection dude...
[/QUOTE]
Not my fault you cannot comprehend satire.
Besides, it's a strawman deflection you feminists use all too well.
Also, [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy]fallacy fallacy[/url].
[QUOTE=Impact1986;45064404]Well, why are all men supposed to be taught not to rape then? If only a very small minority of men are rapists?[/QUOTE]
Because the way the psychology of rapists work is that they think other men are just like them. It's how they justify their actions.
A lot of people (you!) accuse feminists of thinking that all men are rapists. That’s not true. But do you know who think all men are rapists?
Rapists do.
They really do. In psychological study, the profiling, the studies, it comes out again and again.
Virtually all rapists genuinely believe that all men rape, and other men just keep it hushed up better. And more, these people who really are rapists are constantly reaffirmed in their belief about the rest of mankind being rapists like them by things like rape jokes, that dismiss and normalize the idea of rape.
If one in twenty guys is a real and true rapist, and you have any amount of social activity with other guys like yourself, really cool guy, then it is almost a statistical certainty that one time hanging out with friends and their friends, playing Halo with a bunch of guys online, in a WoW guild, or elsewhere, you were talking to a rapist. Not your fault. You can’t tell a rapist apart any better than anyone else can. It’s not like they announce themselves.
But, here’s the thing. It’s very likely that in some of these interactions with these guys, at some point or another someone told a rape joke. You, decent guy that you are, understood that they didn’t mean it, and it was just a joke. And so you laughed.
And you, a decent guy who would never condone rape, who would step in and stop rape if he saw it, who understands that rape is awful and wrong and bad, when you laughed?
That rapist who was in the group with you, that rapist thought that you were on his side. That rapist felt that you were someone like him. And he felt validated, and he felt he was among his comrades.
This is how it works.
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45064455][b]no one here said that it isn't real.[/b] if you dig deep enough to find the most backwards and bizarre lesbian separatist blog, then yeah you've found it. it just isn't nearly as big as an issue compared to other ones, including misogyny, which is a much more prominent cultural issue altogether. your attitude is what makes an problem.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45059284]
[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/38977466/BIGOTRY/fool.png[/img]
even chrome's spellcheck knows misandry isn't real, lol[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=postmanX3;45063434]it was a joke :)
also, in case it's not clear, i am in fact totally serious in my intentions. and i'm also serious when i say misandry isn't fucking real, because it fucking isn't. men are not persecuted for any bullshit reasons you can formulate, deal with it.[/QUOTE]
You sure?
[QUOTE=Ownederd;45065101]dude you made a long series of hedonistic and selfish posts about how women owe you sex. no one here is going to take you seriously, not even for a second.[/QUOTE]
Yeah dude that's cool and all but what does this have to do with the argument? [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?p=43832842#post43832842"]Or is digging up posts only out of the discussion when it's you?[/URL]
Men [I]can[/I] approach the police to file a rape charge, they just don't. I've yet to see a case where a man was laughed out of a polkcie station for filing a rape charge. If he was, there would be grounds to legally prosecute the people who didn't file or investigate the report.
The problem with this however is that it's generally other men that prevent them from doing so because it doesn't seem masculine. Honestly if you, as a man, were sexually violated or raped by a woman, do you honestly think it would be your mom or your girl-friends/girlfreind who says "SUCK IT UP, YOU PUSSY." The chances are it would almost entirely be men who ridicule you.
Once again, this is an issue with gender preconceptions/gender roles, not because of "hypocritical feminism."
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;45065288]Honestly if you, as a man, were sexually violated or raped by a woman, do you honestly think it would be your mom or your girl-friends/girlfreind who says "SUCK IT UP, YOU PUSSY." The chances it are it would almost entirely be men who ridicule you.
Once again, this is an issue with gender preconceptions/gender roles, not because of "hypocritical feminism."[/QUOTE]
This is exactly the kind of attitude and harmful ideas that feminism aims to get rid of
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