• 15 year old girl from Arkansas dead after prank gone wrong
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[QUOTE=arleitiss;43953864]Which shows they know what they were about to do can lead them to danger. Which I don't think can be excused as "teenagers being teenagers" or "kids being kids"[/QUOTE] they were running to not get caught not avoiding firearm deaths think about this for a second jesus christ
Though to be fair, I guess what GiGaBiTe is saying has some truth. The kids went looking for trouble. Well, they found it. It's not wise to go looking for trouble period, even if the responses you find are totally unjust.
[QUOTE=Jackald;43953817]I think the real question is why didn't the 15-year old have a gun as well? If she was able to defend herself then none of this would have happened.[/QUOTE] If you're under 18/21 (I forgot which) in Texas, you're only allowed to use/own long barreled rifles/muskets/shotguns. I don't know how it is in Arkansas, but there's probably a similar provision. It'd be pretty hard to fire a long barreled rifle/shotgun accurately while running backwards. Not that it implies she could have stolen or borrowed a pistol from someone else. But there's really no sense trying to make sense out of a nonsensical situation. Both parties were being stupid, just the guy with the gun was being more stupid and a tragedy resulted.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43953876]Though to be fair, I guess what GiGaBiTe is saying has some truth. The kids went looking for trouble. Well, they found it. It's not wise to go looking for trouble period, even if the responses you find are totally unjust.[/QUOTE] to respond to your previous robber being let off the hook because friend got killed burglary carries the assumption that you could be responded to with lethal force misdemeanor vandalism doesn't
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43953875]they were running to not get caught not avoiding firearm deaths think about this for a second jesus christ[/QUOTE] Well if their parents didn't teach them whats right and wrong, let this be the hard lesson for them and all town, perhaps next time some kinds will know what it can lead to.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43953876]Though to be fair, I guess what GiGaBiTe is saying has some truth. The kids went looking for trouble. Well, they found it. It's not wise to go looking for trouble period, even if the responses you find are totally unjust.[/QUOTE] Yes, these kids went looking for trouble, and they found trouble. [B][I]A child fucking died.[/I][/B]
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43953886]If you're under 18/21 (I forgot which) in Texas, you're only allowed to use/own long barreled rifles/muskets/shotguns. I don't know how it is in Arkansas, but there's probably a similar provision. It'd be pretty hard to fire a long barreled rifle/shotgun accurately while running backwards. Not that it implies she could have stolen or borrowed a pistol from someone else. But there's really no sense trying to make sense out of a nonsensical situation. Both parties were being stupid, just the guy with the gun was being more stupid and a tragedy resulted.[/QUOTE] that sonic boom you just heard was the biggest insult to fp gun rights ever flying right over your head
I think it's important to recognize that even though this murder was totally unjust, so was the vandalism. Which is why I think they shouldn't be given a pity party. Maybe just a misdemeanor, a slap on the wrist. The shooter can rot in prison though, fuck that guy.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;43953891]Yes, these kids went looking for trouble, and they found trouble. [B][I]A child fucking died.[/I][/B][/QUOTE] Parents fault in first place, if they took care of their kids and taught them whats right and wrong and taught them some discipline this shit wouldn't have happened.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43953889]Well if their parents didn't teach them whats right and wrong, let this be the hard lesson for them and all town, perhaps next time some kinds will know what it can lead to.[/QUOTE] since when is death a "hard lesson" and an acceptable response to misdemeanor vandalism
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43953886]If you're under 18/21 (I forgot which) in Texas, you're only allowed to use/own long barreled rifles/muskets/shotguns. I don't know how it is in Arkansas, but there's probably a similar provision. It'd be pretty hard to fire a long barreled rifle/shotgun accurately while running backwards. Not that it implies she could have stolen or borrowed a pistol from someone else. But there's really no sense trying to make sense out of a nonsensical situation. Both parties were being stupid, just the guy with the gun was being more stupid and a tragedy resulted.[/QUOTE] Actually at 18 or over in Texas you are allowed legally to [u]possess[/u] a firearm, HOWEVER you need to be 21 to [u]purchase[/u] any firearm.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43953888]to respond to your previous robber being let off the hook because friend got killed burglary carries the assumption that you could be responded to with lethal force misdemeanor vandalism doesn't[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter, the law is the law. And we don't just stop exercising the law because we feel bad. We don't get to pick and choose.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43953902]since when is death a "hard lesson" and an acceptable response to misdemeanor vandalism[/QUOTE] I doubt if the kids were vandalizing then running away and never being caught would change them or teach them anything but "you can get away with everything as long as you run away and not get caught"
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43953888]to respond to your previous robber being let off the hook because friend got killed burglary carries the assumption that you could be responded to with lethal force misdemeanor vandalism doesn't[/QUOTE] Depending on how the car was egged, it could easily become felony vandalism
[QUOTE=Blazedol;43953891]Yes, these kids went looking for trouble, and they found trouble. [B][I]A child fucking died.[/I][/B][/QUOTE] That's not what I'm saying; it's not justice, it's not goodness, it's not righteousness. It's stupidity being met with an even bigger stupidity. Stupid things happen when people act stupid. It's a tragedy all around.
he could've fired into the air if he wanted to scare them off, but if he fired at them then his intentions were pretty clear. really fucked up
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43953901]Parents fault in first place, if they took care of their kids and taught them whats right and wrong and taught them some discipline this shit wouldn't have happened.[/QUOTE] Great, now I'll tell my son if he does the same shit, old men will come out and blow his brains out.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;43953709]I'm fairly certain that when a bullet comes back down it's no longer lethal. But I'm no professional gun owner.[/QUOTE] A bullet's terminal velocity can still be lethal. I'm a "professional gun owner" and I can say that with due certainty.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43953917]I doubt if the kids were vandalizing then running away and never being caught would change them or teach them anything but "you can get away with everything as long as you run away and not get caught"[/QUOTE] seeing how it was a retaliation the household (probably a teen as well) obviously knew at least one of the members, so they could have called the cops instead of shooting them, and given them a name
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43953931]he could've fired into the air if he wanted to scare them off, but if he fired at them then his intentions were pretty clear, really fucked up.[/QUOTE] yeah and then the bullet could have come down onto someone elses head instead of the girl that was shot. Fucking brilliant. Unless you're at a gun range or somewhere where you can safely discharge a firearm, do not pull the fucking trigger unless you intend to kill a person.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43953931]he could've fired into the air if he wanted to scare them off, but if he fired at them then his intentions were pretty clear, really fucked up.[/QUOTE] Who buys a gun to aim it in the air and waste each precious dollar used to buy those bullets, guns are tools of death, not fear.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43953931]he could've fired into the air if he wanted to scare them off, but if he fired at them then his intentions were pretty clear. really fucked up[/QUOTE] i'm all for gun control and banning people shooting at other people but even i know that air/ground warning shots are a terrible idea
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;43953936]Great, now I'll tell my son if he does the same shit, old men will come out and blow his brains out.[/QUOTE] Consider telling your son to not go looking for trouble anyway. Not because your son might get murdered, but maybe because it makes you a good fucking parent.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43953901]Parents fault in first place, if they took care of their kids and taught them whats right and wrong and taught them some discipline this shit wouldn't have happened.[/QUOTE] what kind of argument is this well maybe if the guy's parents taught him not to shoot at fleeing kids she wouldn't have died?
[QUOTE=lolo;43953947]Who buys a gun to aim it in the air and waste each precious dollar used to buy those bullets, guns are tools of death, not fear.[/QUOTE] because it's 100% impossible for a firearm to defuse a situation without anyone involved getting hurt.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43953901]Parents fault in first place, if they took care of their kids and taught them whats right and wrong and taught them some discipline this shit wouldn't have happened.[/QUOTE] There's no scenario in which the man shooting at fleeing children after petty vandalism is ever acceptable, no matter how poorly they were raised as people.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43953927]That's not what I'm saying; it's not justice, it's not goodness, it's not righteousness. It's stupidity being met with an even bigger stupidity. Stupid things happen when people act stupid. It's a tragedy all around.[/QUOTE] I see what you're saying, but there is no excuse for what happened. These kids couldn't have known that one of them would have died, I don't do stupid shit and expect someone to shoot me, nobody does, and nobody should, because as far as most of us are concerned, we live in a rather stable society.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43953963]what kind of argument is this well maybe if the guy's parents taught him not to shoot at fleeing kids she wouldn't have died?[/QUOTE] Have you ever had your property promptly stomped, torn, broken, by friends/bullies. I'm pretty sure you have, so what do you think a man that possibly works around 12 hours, 3-5 days a week, every month only to have that money go down the drain?
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43953957]i'm all for gun control and banning people shooting at other people but even i know that air/ground warning shots are a terrible idea[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43953945]yeah and then the bullet could have come down onto someone elses head instead of the girl that was shot. Fucking brilliant. [/QUOTE] not quite as lethal as aiming directly at someone i'd say [QUOTE=lolo;43953947]Who buys a gun to aim it in the air and waste each precious dollar used to buy those bullets, guns are tools of death, not fear.[/QUOTE] i'm guessing you're being sarcastic because if not then what the fuck
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43953893]that sonic boom you just heard was the biggest insult to fp gun rights ever flying right over your head[/QUOTE] You incorrectly assume FP is a hivemind and everyone here supports gun ownership/rights. And you're still ridiculously out of touch with reality. [QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43953894]I think it's important to recognize that even though this murder was totally unjust, so was the vandalism. Which is why I think they shouldn't be given a pity party. Maybe just a misdemeanor, a slap on the wrist. The shooter can rot in prison though, fuck that guy.[/QUOTE] During his long incarceration, I hope he can get help for whatever issues that caused him to think it was OK to fire at people.
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