• 15 year old girl from Arkansas dead after prank gone wrong
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[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43953963]what kind of argument is this well maybe if the guy's parents taught him not to shoot at fleeing kids she wouldn't have died?[/QUOTE] Perhaps. This is just uncontrolled spoiled grown child shooting uncontrolled spoiled child. Simple.
[QUOTE=lolo;43953991]Have you ever had your property promptly stomped, torn, broken, by friends/bullies.[/QUOTE] yes and i never had the urge to murder them in cold blood as they were running away
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43953999]You incorrectly assume FP is a hivemind and everyone here supports gun ownership/rights. And you're still ridiculously out of touch with reality. During his long incarceration, I hope he can get help for whatever issues that caused him to think it was OK to fire at people.[/QUOTE] tell me how i'm out of touch with reality where i live people don't usually shoot other people for tping
[QUOTE=gbtygfvyg;43953483]I never saw toilet paper and egging as a "prank". More like vandalism.[/QUOTE] how is toilet paper in the same class as eggs
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43953931]he could've fired into the air if he wanted to scare them off, but if he fired at them then his intentions were pretty clear. really fucked up[/QUOTE] Imagine this (1 out of 1000000 possible scenario): Guy fires into the air. Bullet gets sucked into plane turbine. Plane crashes, 100's dead. Title: 100's dead after prank gone wrong, on facepunch we would say exactly same stuff, except there would appear "that user" that will say it was planes fault for being there in first place.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43954019]tell me how i'm out of touch with reality where i live people don't usually shoot other people for tping[/QUOTE] You just answered your own question. You assume the entire world is the same as where you live.
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;43954021]I'd love to see you tell her parents that it was their fault she was killed and not the lunatic's who shot at her.[/QUOTE] No matter who gets killed, victims parents will always blame everyone else, I doubt opposite is possible. Even if terrorist blows up himself in public, that terrorists parents will always blame some extremism groups which have forced/made him do it.
Teens make stupid mistakes because they're teens. What they did was dickish, but not monstrous. So to act like they were poorly-parented irredeemable barbarians tells me arleitiss is a very cold person.
[QUOTE=Blazedol;43953989]I see what you're saying, but there is no excuse for what happened. These kids couldn't have known that one of them would have died, I don't do stupid shit and expect someone to shoot me, nobody does, and nobody should, because as far as most of us are concerned, we live in a rather stable society.[/QUOTE] I'm not trying to say that anything that happened is excusable. I'm not saying that anybody should have expected first degree homicide. I'm saying that the universe is unfair. And people should have a healthy awareness of that fact. Completely unrelated to whether or not a psychopath could come out and murder you, it should be common sense not to go around committing misdemeanors. Enough of this "teens will be teens," bullshit. In no way is anything that happened to the victims right or just or good. But we also can't pretend that they are saints. Because that's also not justice. And we can't dodge the fact with our blind optimism and wishful thinking that doing stupid things is ever acceptable, no matter how terrible or unjust the consequences.
[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;43954052]Teens make stupid mistakes because they're teens. What they did was dickish, but not monstrous. So to act like they were poorly-parented irredeemable barbarians tells me arleitiss is a very cold person.[/QUOTE] Or perhaps I remembered that moment when I was reading news on facepunch, had my window open and next second I see egg flying inside into my drawer. /But then again, I didn't snap because I am used to this 'common practice' in Dublin (that's in Ireland)
The source in the OP leaves out a big piece of info; [quote] The 48-year-old reportedly burst out of his home in a blind rage after seeing the girl and five of her friends targeting his vehicle, reports KATV. He then opened fire on the Hyundai Sonata they were driving, and Broadway suffered a gunshot wound. The youngsters managed to speed away from the property, making it to the local Kum & Go gas station where they called for an ambulance.[/quote] [url=www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ark-man-kills-girl-15-eggs-car-article-1.1616959]source[/url]
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;43954059]Um ok. Despite this pile of words it is still entirely the shooter's fault that the girl is dead.[/QUOTE] I would still consider this: 95% shooters fault, 5% kids fault. But perhaps those 5% were needed to trigger the other 95%?
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43954035]Imagine this (1 out of 1000000 possible scenario): Guy fires into the air. Bullet gets sucked into plane turbine. Plane crashes, 100's dead. Title: 100's dead after prank gone wrong, on facepunch we would say exactly same stuff, except there would appear "that user" that will say it was planes fault for being there in first place.[/QUOTE] i'm not arguing whether or not firing at the sky is dangerous, wtf. i'm saying that even if it's stupid to do so, it'd at least have meant he didn't want to kill them, but the fact that he fired directly at them shows otherwise
[QUOTE=FordLord;43954068]The source in the OP leaves out a big piece of info; [url=www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ark-man-kills-girl-15-eggs-car-article-1.1616959]source[/url][/QUOTE] Told you's all, he probably snapped as it was the last drop needed, and it could've been accident. When I go ape shit mad, I do crazy stuff (not as crazy as this though)
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;43954085]And I would still consider that a guy like this would have been bound to shoot somebody regardless of vandalism.[/QUOTE] I would say: "which again comes back to what I said few times before, it's gun laws fault for letting mentally unstable people own guns", but I wont say it, it will derail thread, probably cause 50 pages of argument and big pit of bans.
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43953542]I hate shit like this, seriously. Justifying doing stupid shit and vandalism as "kids bein kids, teenagers bein teenagers" is the stupidest shit.[/QUOTE] Teens do some pretty stupid shit. Some of that stupid shit just happens to affect other people.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43953788]People get stabbed and shot over disagreements over trivial things [I]every day[/I] and you're criticizing me for saying be prepared for anything when vandalizing someone else's property? Instant genius. I find it quite ironic how out of touch with the world you are.[/QUOTE] I find it pretty funny how people who support gun ownership always accuse other people of being 'out of touch with the world'. Having been born in a country with much stricter gun control than America and having moved to another country also with much stricter gun control than America I can say with quite a lot of certainty that it is actually YOU who are out of touch with the world, nay, reality itself considering you said she pretty much had this coming eventually.
[QUOTE=arleitiss;43954078]Told you's all, he probably snapped as it was the last drop needed, and it could've been accident. When I go ape shit mad, I do crazy stuff (not as crazy as this though)[/QUOTE] and he should be punished for doing crazy stuff if it involves someone's death
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43953676]Maybe we should do something about the gun nuts who can't wait to shoot something.[/QUOTE] maybe we should also stop little shits being dumb I'm not victim blaming or whatever the fuck, and I agree that fucking shooting them was a bit over the top (a bit being a lot), but couldn't this all have been easily avoided by not just vandalizing property to begin with?
i support gun rights and i think this guy is psychotic. the only time i would personally find it acceptable at all to take someone's life is in self-defense, even then only as the very last resort. i couldn't imagine killing someone over property, that's just insane to me
Both parties need to be charged, the guy for 1st Degree Murder, and the teens for being stupid twats going around and vandalizing people's property.
[QUOTE=EpikEnvy2.0;43954158]maybe we should also stop little shits being dumb I'm not victim blaming or whatever the fuck, and I agree that fucking shooting them was a bit over the top (a bit being a lot), but couldn't this all have been easily avoided by not just vandalizing property to begin with?[/QUOTE] It's kind of strange to me how people here think that the kids are totally justified going around committing misdemeanors because some psychopath shot at them.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43953793]So if I rob a house and the owner decides to shoot at me or kills my robber buddy from down the street I should just get a get-out-of-jail free card?[/QUOTE] That's a completely irrelevant situation. Robbing a house doesn't carry the same weight to a teenage that these pranks do. Not to mention that in the article it states very clearly that this was a retaliation prank, as in, someone from the guy's house prank'd them. [quote]She was with a group of teenagers who had gone to a house to do a “retaliation” prank on another teen who’d done a prank on them on Halloween, according to the Little Rock Police Department.[/quote] Your defending a guy who pretty much said, "My kid prank'd you and when you came to return the favour like tend to do I took aim and fired upon you with lethal intent. Shooting an unarmed and non-threatening teenage girl in the head, killing her." These kids were UNARMED, and NOT ATTACKING HIM, he has literally NO reason to fucking shoot them. They were even RUNNING AWAY from him. There is nothing that makes this self defense AT ALL. Not even self defense by proxy.
[QUOTE=sltungle;43954105]I find it pretty funny how people who support gun ownership always accuse other people of being 'out of touch with the world'. Having been born in a country with much stricter gun control than America and having moved to another country also with much stricter gun control than America I can say with quite a lot of certainty that it is actually YOU who are out of touch with the world, nay, reality itself considering you said she pretty much had this coming eventually.[/QUOTE] Since when does gun control (excuse me, [I]strict[/I] gun control) prevent people from possessing guns? Just because the government says you're not allowed to have something, doesn't mean that everyone is going to follow it to the crossed T and dotted i. And you have a problem of selective reading syndrome. I say "anything" and you automatically replace "anything" with "gun". If you commit a crime (which is what these children did) you should fully expect the consequences for your actions, which can be [I]anything.[/I] It could be from absolutely nothing happening to getting dead/shot/stabbed/maimed/revenge/etc. [I]It does not have to make sense[/I], and trying to make sense of it is just going to get you worked up and angry. Accept that the tragedy happened and do things in the future to avoid things like this from happening again.
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43954189]It's kind of strange to me how people here think that the kids are totally justified going around committing misdemeanors because some psychopath shot at them.[/QUOTE] I think it's strange how people like you can justify blatant psychopathic murder over petty acts of vandalism. You said it your self here, they were committing MISDEMEANORS. Had that guy done his fucking civic duty and called the police then yeah, they deserve to be charged with vandalism charges, but instead he took it upon him self to fucking murder them in some disgusting form of vigilante "justice".
[QUOTE=draugur;43954228]That's a completely irrelevant situation. Robbing a house doesn't carry the same weight to a teenage that these pranks do. Not to mention that in the article it states very clearly that this was a retaliation prank, as in, someone from the guy's house prank'd them. Your defending a guy who pretty much said, "My kid prank'd you and when you came to return the favour like tend to do I took aim and fired upon you with lethal intent. Shooting an unarmed and non-threatening teenage girl in the head, killing her." These kids were UNARMED, and NOT ATTACKING HIM, he has literally NO reason to fucking shoot them. They were even RUNNING AWAY from him. There is nothing that makes this self defense AT ALL. Not even self defense by proxy.[/QUOTE] I never once defended the gunman. I never once said that what he did was acceptable. I never once said that the kids deserved to die. Stop putting words in my mouth, it makes you look stupid. [editline]17th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=draugur;43954245]I think it's strange how people like you can justify blatant psychopathic murder over petty acts of vandalism. You said it your self here, they were committing MISDEMEANORS. Had that guy done his fucking civic duty and called the police then yeah, they deserve to be charged with vandalism charges, but instead he took it upon him self to fucking murder them.[/QUOTE] Again. We need bad reading back.
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43954240]Since when does gun control (excuse me, [I]strict[/I] gun control) prevent people from possessing guns? Just because the government says you're not allowed to have something, doesn't mean that everyone is going to follow it to the crossed T and dotted i. And you have a problem of selective reading syndrome. I say "anything" and you automatically replace "anything" with "gun". If you commit a crime (which is what these children did) you should fully expect the consequences for your actions, which can be [I]anything.[/I] It could be from absolutely nothing happening to getting dead/shot/stabbed/maimed/revenge/etc. [I]It does not have to make sense[/I], and trying to make sense of it is just going to get you worked up and angry. Accept that the tragedy happened and do things in the future to avoid things like this from happening again.[/QUOTE] time to take this example all the way down if today the united states of america said "guns are banned, producing/importing firearms into usa is a crime, owning them is a crime but we won't do anything unless you commit an additional crime" in 40 years of seizing all criminal related weapons and melting them into bars you'll kinda be preventing people from owning guns
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;43954250]I never once defended the gunman. I never once said that what he did was acceptable. I never once said that the kids deserved to die. Stop putting words in my mouth, it makes you look stupid. [editline]17th February 2014[/editline] Again. We need bad reading back.[/QUOTE] So explain to me why they deserve to be charged with vandalism, what does making them do community service really fucking solve? "Oh, you were acting stupid and now one of your friends is dead, you also all nearly lost your lives because of it. Time to do some petty community service as punishment." I don't think you really understand how being in a potential life/death situation effects people. I can tell you from the standpoint of being someone that has had a gun put to their head by a drunk asshole AND shot at (not by the same person though.), it sticks with you for a LONG time. I have nightmares still about nearly being killed, and no I didn't do anything even remotely illegal to be in those positions. Come to think of it, you can't truly understand what it is like to have your life threatened unless you experience it. You can only really sympathize with the condition, there is no possible empathy, it's impossible for someone to understand it unless they have experienced it.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;43954255]time to take this example all the way down if today the united states of america said "guns are banned, producing/importing firearms into usa is a crime, owning them is a crime but we won't do anything unless you commit an additional crime" in 40 years of seizing all criminal related weapons and melting them into bars you'll kinda be preventing people from owning guns[/QUOTE] People are only concerned about the short term. Nobody ever thinks about the long-term implications of laws like this being passed.
[QUOTE=lolo;43953991]Have you ever had your property promptly stomped, torn, broken, by friends/bullies. I'm pretty sure you have, so what do you think a man that possibly works around 12 hours, 3-5 days a week, every month only to have that money go down the drain?[/QUOTE] Yep. By some kids down the street, right before I was leaving to work the night shift. Shot that little fucker.... Oh wait, no I didn't. I talked to his (never be the slowest kid in a group) parents and told them they could either make him clean it up or talk to the police. Like a normal person.
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